RE: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

Hi my little girl is like this she like thing that have music and love that

Barney I think that mush more going on in this kind off show than the other

stuff and the enjoy a lot if stuff going on.

STEFFNEY

[Guest guest]

My daughter LOVES blues clues too

Kathy B

Re: (unknown)

>

> , is 14 and she loves Scooby-Doo , Blues Clues and Pappyland

..She

>loves to draw and paint ,and every day at 6 pm she loves to watch super

>market sweep. But her all time favorite every single day must see show is

>Lois and ,superman . AHHH Donna lol

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[Guest guest]

>>>Read autistic children should be DX before age of 5 because they

change after that age. Does anyone know what changes take place, so

we will know what to expect. >>>

A lot of what I've read, and what I've experienced in my family and with

other kids I know on the spectrum is that some kids with certain sub

types of autism (yet to be named by the gurus) make tons of progress

between 3-5 years old.

I have one that did, and one that did not. We did more, and did

everything better with our second kid and she is our one that did not.

Her progress is slow and steady. When we didn't see her as being

" wired " for the same progress we got busy at age 4 doing what we needed

to do to ensure our family's vision could work for her, too! What would

the child be doing if he/she did not have a disability? Where and how

and with whom? We answer those questions and make it happen for both

kids.

My older one went from the movie-of-the-week kid with autism (good thing

I already gave birth to a second child, ya know) to virtually

indistinguishable from his typically developing peers. The

transformation started around age 3.5 and by the time he was 6, he fit

in perfectly in every arena (school, sports, friends...). We had no

magic bullet. We just did what we thought was right! He seemed to need

sensory integration therapy, so he got the best of that. We are

inclusion purists, so you'd better believe he got that! He had the

right people teaching him at the right time in his life... his angels!

We owe so much to the teachers who did what they know was right and

followed their hearts. It made him who he is today.

His autism is definitley still there. It just looks different. All

this makes it terribly more difficult to get the same school people to

accomodate the small needs he has. New vocabulary on abstract concepts

( " citizenship " ) and some literal interpretations pretty much are the big

snags for him.

To answer your question (and I am sure it's different for everyone)

about what big changes to look for... our kid had a language explosion.

Then all of a sudden his behavior improved to near normal because he

could communicate. He seemed to have all this receptive knowledge

stored or he was strangely able to learn so quick we figured he MUST

have known this from a former life! His reasoning and communication

enabled him to learn how to do normal social stuff with the help of

social stories and other visuals.

I heard Tony Attwood speak last Spring and he did mention that kids

COULD move along the spectrum from big-autism to barely-affected.

Holliday Willey's book called, Pretending to be Normal, kind of

documents her life moving along the spectrum.

My personal theory on it is that, some kids are wired and some aren't,

and some are wired for partial stuff. The best we can do is provide the

most appropriate tools, education, and love that best suits their

individual needs. If we hit the mark, then that offering will do

everything it can to bring out the best in that child.

[Guest guest]

This is what I am talking about. I saw somewhere on the internet the law that

states this. I was needing this so I could print it out for my friend. When

we entered the school system from early intervention, our therapist told us

to put autism on the records for this reason. They kept trying to get us to

put developmentally delayed.

Ninnaterry

[Guest guest]

In Tennessee, This was something I read in the laws. That is if it is

developmental delay on their records. they only have to offer services until

age 9

[Guest guest]

That was our problem with the code. But if it means the difference of

services, we put it on her record. She is very high functioniong. Started out

last year with 4 words. She gets 2 hours of speech and 1 hour of OT a week

through the school system.Plus 1hour speech 1 hour OT privately. Now she says

everything uses sentences ,knows her ABCs, can count to 30, knows her name

and can spell it.Some of her words we can't understand but for the most part

we know what she is talking about. She also attends regular Preschool with

typically devel. childrn. The school didn't have an appropiate class for her

so we put her in a private preschool. She has done great,and they are willing

to learn about Trista and her Autism. Next year we are putting her in the

regular Preschool in the school system. If the teachers are willing to learn

about her and give her a little extra help she will be fine.She has a few

sensory problems we have to deal with. She hated crowds.Going down the

hallways at school is a big deal for her. She turned 4 in October.

Ninnaterry

[Guest guest]

What we were told in NYS is to list autism if you want services but never

list that for anything to do with insurance! For that we were told to go

with something more " medical " so we've been using Organic Brain Disorder.

Doesn't always work but it's giving us a better chance of getting money.

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I am in New Hampshire. The doctor also recomended autism as the code since

he said with dev delay there has to be a secondary code which in our case

would be autism anyway so he felt it best to go with the autism code. I am

unsure about that since I am hoping my daughter is mild and may be

integrated

at a fairly young age and am concerned about negative attitudes of teachers

toward her simply because of the label and not seeing her as a person.

(which should not happen anyway but I have heard it can happen)

In a message dated 10/25/00 7:32:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bowdenfam@... writes:

<< What state are you in. I do not think that sound right. Children with

disabilities need to have services till ususally age 22. How odd ?

Ususally

age is not a factor but functioning level of the DD.

Re: (unknown)

> HI

> I am new to this as my daughter is 2.10 and still in early intervention.

> However I have a parent advocate working with me and she is advising a

code

> of autism since (she states) if your child is coded developmental delay

> services only need to be provided until age 8 (in our state).

> Hope this helps some

>

>

> In a message dated 10/25/00 3:59:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> NinnaTerry@... writes:

>

> << I read somewhere the other day that if you don't make a direct dx on

> the IEP that by law they only have to offer services until the age of

> 9.Could someone help me find this again.It is needed for a friend

> with a possible Rett Syn. dx. >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Would also look into an approach for her called

Floortime by Dr. Stanley Greenspan

AND go to

www.braintraining.com

Take a developmental approach to her whatever age she is.

I can forward you some websites about all of these therapies.

AND on Kinderstart.com

www.kinderstart.com

there are some great sites .

It is hard I am sure. When you speak about autism it is important to think about

the child;s

development and the brain.

(unknown)

> Yesterday my world turned upside down and inside out. My 23-

> month old daughter was diagnosed with mild to moderate autism. A

> very good child psychiatrist with the Children's Health Council near

> Stanford University diagnosed her, so I have little reason to doubt

> her.

>

> The doctor said it's good that we caught it early, and hopefully my

> daughter, Chloe will have a pretty bright future.

>

> On top of this, we moved into a new house over the weekend, and I'm

> 30 weeks pregnant with another daughter whom I'm fearful will also

> have some kind developmental disorders since these things tend to run

> in families.

>

> I feel very bad for Chloe since I know that social awkwardness is

> less tolerated in girls than it is in boys. And since adolescents is

> always hard on so called normal girls, I can't imagine to think of

> what it will be with a girl with autism.

>

> Is there any information out there on how to deal with females with

> autism as opposed to just boys?

>

> Our doctor recommended the LOVAAS approach for 25 hours a week. And

> while I agree with trying this therapy, I can't help thinking that

> this poor kid is barely two, and she already has a job.

>

> Thank you for listening to me rant.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My children have had tons of teachers and have been through different school

districts. They are good and bad everywhere. Even if you worked in the worst

school district that is not a reflection really on you even though it seems

they way if you reach deep inside and teach to the best of your ability and you

brighten the future of just one child then that makes you a special person

and a great teacher. I am an exemplerary school district. We are in Deer Park

even though it's an awesome school district there are problems there are

teachers that are not the best and then there are the best of the best. We also

lived in ClearLake for a while where Angel attended Clear Creek Elementary she

had one of the worst teachers ever that lady was very scary. She would scream

at the children who where all disabled she would be nasty to us and forbid us

to ever enter the classroom. The next year she has probably the best

classroom teachers she has ever had. In Deer Park they have always had awesome

teachers and they are both doing well in school. The only problem I have is

Unless

the district diagnosis and labels a child as severely autistic you have to

fight tooth and nail to get any help for a child on the autistic spectrum here

anyways. In my case Angel is definitely autistic the school would never even

discuss autism until finally this year. They told me point blank we know she is

on the scale but she has so many challenges we don't know if she is pdd-nos

or severely autistic. They have always told us she was not autistic while drs

always say she is. So they are getting away with leaving our children behind

because also in the ARD after saying they don't know where she fits on the

scale so they won't diagnose and label her as autistic they also said that the

programs for autistic children that they offer are reserved for those children

labeled as severely autistic. So all the rest of the children in the spectrum

are left out. Because it is possibly but not for sure and because her

behaviors are very severe and some things she does are serious dangerous they

have

made and exception for Angel but see I wouldn't sign anything till they agreed

to help and I brought case workers from Commission for the Blind and MHMRA into

the ARD. The school district and teachers have evaded these agencies all

year when they ask for information on Angel ect... and me as well. Why because

they know Angel needs more help but they really do not care what a family is

facing with a child like this. If they have problems with the child in school

then they sooner or later will give in to the parent which is what happened

here.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

e,

It is upsetting and more so for teachers who actually care and want to do

what is best for a child. But speaking as a parent and as a former teacher,

IMHO, the negative experience is usually the norm for parents who dare to

have a different opinion than the ISD reps on the ARD committee.

I am sure that there are parents who have had positive experiences, but I

think this is usually the case when those parents didn't ask for much more

thant what the ISD offered. I am not judging those parents; maybe their

child didn't need much more than what the ISD offered.

But, when you ask for services for your child and the ISD response is " this

is the ONLY program we offer " ..... message- take it or leave it.

Obviously, the ISD is not concerned with the needs of the child or the part

of the law mandating that a variety of services be available to meet the

indivdualized needs of different children.

You need look no further than the current battle in the US Congress over

IDEA legislation where the concerted push by legislators representing school

district interests nationwide are fighting to REDUCE accountability and the

rights of parents, to see the real priorities of our educational system-

which is- don't hold us accountable for progress with these kids.

I wish I could say something to make you feel better but I think it

necessary that we all take an honest look at what is occurring and act

together to effect change.

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

http://www.autismtreatment.info/ <http://www.autismtreatment.info/>

You CAN treat Autism!! Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and

Aperger's Syndrome from parents who have successfully helped their children.

(unknown)

As a teacher it upsets me when I read postings about how school districts

aren't providing services that the child needs. I have sat in many ARD's

and

stated that a child may not regress over summer school but to keep

progressing they need the ongoing structure, supports, and social

interactions

that are offered during ESY.

Please tell me that someone out there has had good experiences with the

" company " I work for.

*sigh*

e

[Guest guest]

I have a student who is not receiving the proper services from their in home

trainer the mother and I have talked about it and she was going to address it

at the ARD meeting but she was laid back about it and did not let her

unhappiness known.

I would love to serve as her sons in home trainer but I can't make the

decisions for her.

Parents... never give up in an ARD. Never feel like you're the bad guy by

asking for services for your child.

>

[Guest guest]

wow! 20 sessions before any results? I'm not familiar with the

norm etc. but being that some insurance wouldn't cover that, how

much is it per session, typically? Just curious.

Sincerely,

Roxanne

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> A friend of mine has just finished the second round of

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said <BR>

> the first 20 sessions did not compare to these last 20--so

much more <BR>

> of a response. I confirmed this with a therapist we share. His

<BR>

> language is becoming more natural and he has been very

conversational <BR>

> with a lot of deductive reasoning.<BR>

> <BR>

> I would also like to look into a home version--I remember

e-mailing <BR>

> with someone about this. This 5 yr old does it with a

psychologist--I <BR>

> believe he only does the initial evals and such and someone

else sits <BR>

> at the computer with him and watchs the EEG while he plays the

games. <BR>

> I think he may evaluate the readings of the EEG since he told

her his <BR>

> beta waves were slow. It seems that it is not very complicated

to do. <BR>

> I certainly don't mind going to an office for this BUT they do

say it <BR>

> fades and it is harder to do when school is in session. I did

a <BR>

> search a while back and came up with " biofeedback " . I received

a demo <BR>

> CD on " Play Attention " but is really for older kids and better

with <BR>

> ADHD--per the company rep. It has a helmet to read what the

<BR>

> kids " waves " are doing to help determine the screen

action---but it <BR>

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[Guest guest]

Yes once again I too am guilty of jumping the gun ...... when the newsweek

article came out - I forwarded the link to all I know...... THEN I read it

and had to go back and explain to all those I sent the link to - that the

article does NOT represent the Autism I know about!

That'll teach me....

(unknown)

I was somewhat excited to hear that Newsweek was going to have an

article on Autism. I even told my students parents to check it out.

Now I am kinda kicking myself about telling them to check it out. I

was angered, dumbfounded, and confused by the article. I currently

have 4 children in my class (3 are severe autism), I refuse to think

that they have chosen to act like this. It's amazing what some people

can publish and get away with.

[Guest guest]

Kathy Henninger wrote:

hi newbie here.

please explain what is meant by hand flapping and finger flicking behaviors.

This is really common with autistic people. It's also called "self-stimulation" or "self-stim" or just stimming. The hand flapping looks like really rapid "byebye" waving, only it's done with both hands. Finger flicking is the same motion you see (and pardon the grossness) in typical kids who are trying to get rid of snot on their fingers. The reasons autistic people do this are simple, once you understand what's going on. With kids, sometimes there are visual issues that deal with foreground/background discrimination, i.e., the world is in their face all the time. So the flapping in front of the eyes (or waving a stick or a tinkertoy dowel) breaks up the visual field and makes it easier to make sense of . Also, autistic people use these and other methods of self stimming to help with strongly emotional situations, with distress, with tiredness, and as a relaxation method. We always let our guy stim, but we taught him that it freaked out typical folks and so it was wiser to do it in the privacy of his room. However, when he is overcome in public, he does put on what we call his "bliss face;" this is clasping both hands tightly beneath his chin while his mouth opens in a huge openface grin and his eyes blink and sparkle. He does this when he sees thing, or hears things, or smells things, that are just too powerful for him to handle otherwise. For example, everytime he goes to the city aquarium (which he loves) and goes to his favorite exhibit, he get his bliss face on. The exhibit? A tall, big, round aquarium full of fairy jellyfish, which flouresce and glow under the light they're displayed under. He did this after he was baptized too, and the congregation was just amazed to see so much happiness on one face.

Your child, did he/she do anything as an infant that made you suspect something was up? Did he/she have language delays? Did he/she play games like the itsy-bitsy spider and peek-a-boo?

We called Louie our "Spock baby," because he mirrored Dr. Spocks guidelines so well. But when he was still an infant, he focussed on a picture on the wall by his crib at 5 days, and laughed at his bear at 6 days. He lined up his toy cars as a toddler, and really never knew how to play with things as a typical child would. And he had very old eyes; he remembers his own birth, BTW. He taught himself to read at 3, during a stay at the hospital for pneumonia, with the Yellow Pages. Taught himself to count at the same time (page numbers). He walked early, but never crawled, and he was a toe-walker as well. And he quit talking altogether at around 2, although he had several "baby words" in his vocabulary before that. We knew something was up, mostly because I'd been a huge fan of Torey Hayden's books before he was ever conceived and a lot of things sounded like stuff I'd read there. It just took us a little bit to find a dr. who would agree; he was dx'ed at two and a half.

Nice to meet you, by the way! I'm Annie, in Albuquerque, my dh is Ron, and our kidlets are Kris (34, bipolar, living in AZ and doing great) and Louie (23, HFA/AS, in supported living for over 2 years, and a neat guy).

Annie, who loves ya

annie@...

[Guest guest]

Hi, and thanks. Does you son only do the finger/hand flapping in

his line of vision? Does he ever do it at his sides, like he's

trying to fly?

> hi newbie here. please explain what is meant by hand flapping and

finger flicking

> behaviors. This is really common with autistic people. It's also

called " self-stimulation "

> or " self-stim " or just stimming. The hand flapping looks like

really rapid " byebye "

> waving, only it's done with both hands. Finger flicking is the

same motion you

> see (and pardon the grossness) in typical kids who are trying to

get rid of snot

> on their fingers. The reasons autistic people do this are simple,

once you understand

> what's going on. With kids, sometimes there are visual issues

that deal with foreground/background

> discrimination, i.e., the world is in their face all the time. So

the flapping

> in front of the eyes (or waving a stick or a tinkertoy dowel)

breaks up the visual

> field and makes it easier to make sense of . Also, autistic

people use these and

> other methods of self stimming to help with strongly emotional

situations, with

> distress, with tiredness, and as a relaxation method. We always

let our guy stim,

> but we taught him that it freaked out typical folks and so it was

wiser to do it

> in the privacy of his room. However, when he is overcome in

public, he does put

> on what we call his " bliss face; " this is clasping both hands

tightly beneath his

> chin while his mouth opens in a huge openface grin and his eyes

blink and sparkle.

> He does this when he sees thing, or hears things, or smells

things, that are just

> too powerful for him to handle otherwise. For example, everytime

he goes to the

> city aquarium (which he loves) and goes to his favorite exhibit,

he get his bliss

> face on. The exhibit? A tall, big, round aquarium full of fairy

jellyfish, which

> flouresce and glow under the light they're displayed under. He

did this after he

> was baptized too, and the congregation was just amazed to see so

much happiness

> on one face.

> Your child, did he/she do anything as an infant that made you

suspect something

> was up? Did he/she have language delays? Did he/she play games

like the itsy-bitsy

> spider and peek-a-boo? We called Louie our " Spock baby, " because

he mirrored Dr.

> Spocks guidelines so well. But when he was still an infant, he

focussed on a picture

> on the wall by his crib at 5 days, and laughed at his bear at 6

days. He lined

> up his toy cars as a toddler, and really never knew how to play

with things as a

> typical child would. And he had very old eyes; he remembers his

own birth, BTW.

> He taught himself to read at 3, during a stay at the hospital for

pneumonia, with

> the Yellow Pages. Taught himself to count at the same time (page

numbers). He

> walked early, but never crawled, and he was a toe-walker as well.

And he quit talking

> altogether at around 2, although he had several " baby words " in

his vocabulary before

> that. We knew something was up, mostly because I'd been a huge

fan of Torey Hayden's

> books before he was ever conceived and a lot of things sounded

like stuff I'd read

> there. It just took us a little bit to find a dr. who would

agree; he was dx'ed

> at two and a half. Nice to meet you, by the way! I'm Annie, in

Albuquerque, my

> dh is Ron, and our kidlets are Kris (34, bipolar, living in AZ and

doing great)

> and Louie (23, HFA/AS, in supported living for over 2 years, and a

neat guy).

> Annie, who loves ya annie@r...

[Guest guest]

Hi. Toby finger flicks by his side. Somtimes near his eyes but mostly

down by his side with dead straight arms.

As for peek a boo toby used to get really scared of that and cry!

Sherryxx

> > hi newbie here. please explain what is meant by hand flapping and

> finger flicking

> > behaviors. This is really common with autistic people. It's

also

> called " self-stimulation "

> > or " self-stim " or just stimming. The hand flapping looks like

> really rapid " byebye "

> > waving, only it's done with both hands. Finger flicking is the

> same motion you

> > see (and pardon the grossness) in typical kids who are trying to

> get rid of snot

> > on their fingers. The reasons autistic people do this are

simple,

> once you understand

> > what's going on. With kids, sometimes there are visual issues

> that deal with foreground/background

> > discrimination, i.e., the world is in their face all the time.

So

> the flapping

> > in front of the eyes (or waving a stick or a tinkertoy dowel)

> breaks up the visual

> > field and makes it easier to make sense of . Also, autistic

> people use these and

> > other methods of self stimming to help with strongly emotional

> situations, with

> > distress, with tiredness, and as a relaxation method. We always

> let our guy stim,

> > but we taught him that it freaked out typical folks and so it was

> wiser to do it

> > in the privacy of his room. However, when he is overcome in

> public, he does put

> > on what we call his " bliss face; " this is clasping both hands

> tightly beneath his

> > chin while his mouth opens in a huge openface grin and his eyes

> blink and sparkle.

> > He does this when he sees thing, or hears things, or smells

> things, that are just

> > too powerful for him to handle otherwise. For example, everytime

> he goes to the

> > city aquarium (which he loves) and goes to his favorite exhibit,

> he get his bliss

> > face on. The exhibit? A tall, big, round aquarium full of fairy

> jellyfish, which

> > flouresce and glow under the light they're displayed under. He

> did this after he

> > was baptized too, and the congregation was just amazed to see so

> much happiness

> > on one face.

> > Your child, did he/she do anything as an infant that made you

> suspect something

> > was up? Did he/she have language delays? Did he/she play games

> like the itsy-bitsy

> > spider and peek-a-boo? We called Louie our " Spock baby, " because

> he mirrored Dr.

> > Spocks guidelines so well. But when he was still an infant, he

> focussed on a picture

> > on the wall by his crib at 5 days, and laughed at his bear at 6

> days. He lined

> > up his toy cars as a toddler, and really never knew how to play

> with things as a

> > typical child would. And he had very old eyes; he remembers his

> own birth, BTW.

> > He taught himself to read at 3, during a stay at the hospital for

> pneumonia, with

> > the Yellow Pages. Taught himself to count at the same time (page

> numbers). He

> > walked early, but never crawled, and he was a toe-walker as

well.

> And he quit talking

> > altogether at around 2, although he had several " baby words " in

> his vocabulary before

> > that. We knew something was up, mostly because I'd been a huge

> fan of Torey Hayden's

> > books before he was ever conceived and a lot of things sounded

> like stuff I'd read

> > there. It just took us a little bit to find a dr. who would

> agree; he was dx'ed

> > at two and a half. Nice to meet you, by the way! I'm Annie, in

> Albuquerque, my

> > dh is Ron, and our kidlets are Kris (34, bipolar, living in AZ

and

> doing great)

> > and Louie (23, HFA/AS, in supported living for over 2 years, and

a

> neat guy).

> > Annie, who loves ya annie@r...

[Guest guest]

Annie wrote:

'With kids, sometimes there are visual issues that deal with

foreground/background

> discrimination, i.e., the world is in their face all the time. So

the flapping

> in front of the eyes (or waving a stick or a tinkertoy dowel)

breaks up the visual

> field and makes it easier to make sense of the world'

(((ANNIE))) Thats the FIRST time this has ever made sense to me....

after all the 'professional' explainations...LOL Sorry, but its one

of those questions that I've been dealing with for over 13 years!

*nice to have closure eh?*

My middle son has ALWAYS done the hand clasping in front of his face

with his mouth agape. We used to call it 'spazzing' until we

realized he couldn't help but do it... then it wasn't cute.. it was

WHY? He still does it at almost 14... when under stress or

excited. He still paces as well.

My youngest did the 'change the visual field' thing the most

noticable. Would walk around and around the kitchen table...

staring. I figured out after hours of this he was looking between

the slats of the chairs and how it changed the 'object' on the

table. Spinning things, scraping carpet back and forth with fingers

to see the color changes etc. He's never hand flapped or finger

twitched. Just walking around things...or looking at things almost

to the point of being cross-eyed. (ran into lots of things cause he

was centered on his 'object' instead of where he was going). Bandaid

King at 2.

Today at almost 11 he finds things that are 'less obvious' to do the

same thing. He loves Disco balls, ceiling fans, multifaceted

objects, shiny objects etc. Occassionally, under stress.. he will

come through the house 'flying' objects. IE.. a comb connected to a

pen to look like a plane. Same thing... watching from the corner of

his eye to see how it 'flys' in the background of things. *hurts my

eyes thinking about it*

thanks for in 'skinny' on that question.. you gave it out there in

lay terms.. and Des has SEEN THE LIGHT

DES

[Guest guest]

I do stuff like that occasionally - I'll sit and watch a fan and

follow it with my eyes(kind of a neat effect, on the ceiling fans..

can follow them around), block something with one eye to see the

shade differences between both eyes(anybody ever noticed your eyes

see things in slightly different shades? at least, mine do). I'm

16 and I still find little visual things interesting. :-) The rug

thing hit me too.. when I'm sitting up in our living room where we

have one of those thick carpets I'll sweep it back and forth with my

feet when I'm bored.

It's nice to be able to entertain myself with little things.

I've never done anything to 'break up the visual field', though. At

the same time I can never be completely still for very long. Gotta

keep something moving. Can make getting to sleep a little difficult

sometimes. ;-) There's a word for the flapping etc, 'stimming',

and I do it quite a bit, but can't think of any good reason. It

just happens. It's a lot more socially acceptable to be my feet,

though(tapping foot, foot up on knee going back and forth,

whatever), so that's what I usually end up doing to keep from

freaking out from staying still too long. ;-)

I suppose I pace a lot too. Or when I'm standing just sway back and

forth a little bit.

Something to do with I have to keep moving. I don't know why, but I

just do.

> (((ANNIE))) Thats the FIRST time this has ever made sense to

me....

> after all the 'professional' explainations...LOL Sorry, but its

one

> of those questions that I've been dealing with for over 13 years!

> *nice to have closure eh?*

>

> My middle son has ALWAYS done the hand clasping in front of his

face

> with his mouth agape. We used to call it 'spazzing' until we

> realized he couldn't help but do it... then it wasn't cute.. it

was

> WHY? He still does it at almost 14... when under stress or

> excited. He still paces as well.

>

> My youngest did the 'change the visual field' thing the most

> noticable. Would walk around and around the kitchen table...

> staring. I figured out after hours of this he was looking between

> the slats of the chairs and how it changed the 'object' on the

> table. Spinning things, scraping carpet back and forth with

fingers

> to see the color changes etc. He's never hand flapped or finger

> twitched. Just walking around things...or looking at things

almost

> to the point of being cross-eyed. (ran into lots of things cause

he

> was centered on his 'object' instead of where he was going).

Bandaid

> King at 2.

>

> Today at almost 11 he finds things that are 'less obvious' to do

the

> same thing. He loves Disco balls, ceiling fans, multifaceted

> objects, shiny objects etc. Occassionally, under stress.. he will

> come through the house 'flying' objects. IE.. a comb connected to

a

> pen to look like a plane. Same thing... watching from the corner

of

> his eye to see how it 'flys' in the background of things. *hurts

my

> eyes thinking about it*

>

> thanks for in 'skinny' on that question.. you gave it out there in

> lay terms.. and Des has SEEN THE LIGHT

>

> DES

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mike... my lil guy (age 11) is never still either. Its not

a 'hyperactive' kinda thing... its more that NEED to move. Nice

hearing it from another persons perspective. I suppose you LOVE

the 'lamps' like lava, or those energy globes? Mine is drawn like

bees to nectar in those 'speciality shops'. LOL

He DID mention as well that 'one eye sees one thing, and if I cover

the other....' theory. I, of course, being his mother took him to

the eye Dr. (they said... I should have made the appointment with the

Psychiatrist instead of course). They found nothing abnormal. I

after 7 years of these 'seeing things differently' finally accepted

that JUST MAYBE my son has a better perspective on things. LOL

Life IS a vision to him.... why should I try to fix that?

DES

[Guest guest]

BTW, Louie (23) has never been either a " flapper " or a " flicker. " His

thing is to shift from one foot to another, and hum in a monotone. It

calms him out, so who am I to say?

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. - Anon of Ibid

[Guest guest]

We found our school didn't even include our submission and attempted to brand it a letter to staff so that it didn't have to be included

>>That's outrageous, they are required to ask your thoughts (and the childs actually) and include it in the bundle to LEA

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

I don't open websites when it is unknown person and doesn't tell us anything

about what we can expect there.  That is often a site that has viruses.  So if

this is from someone specific and is legitimate, please advise, but I'm going to

delete this.

 

Carolyn Wilkerson

 

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To: piper@...; sproutpeople ; helper@...;

JRSeivert@...; peppersdoublec@...; Larry.Bland@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:13 PM

Subject: (unknown)

 

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[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

This looks like one of those automated advertising type emails. It was

sent to multiple email addresses. I am choosing not to open it. The

person who sent it may not even know that it was sent. This happens from

time to time with yahoo, one of the reasons I don't use them anymore except

for groups.

R

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Carolyn Wilkerson <

carolyn.wilkerson@...> wrote:

> I don't open websites when it is unknown person and doesn't tell us

> anything about what we can expect there. That is often a site that has

> viruses. So if this is from someone specific and is legitimate, please

> advise, but I'm going to delete this.

>

>

> Carolyn Wilkerson

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: piper@...; sproutpeople ; helper@...;

> JRSeivert@...; peppersdoublec@...;

> Larry.Bland@...

> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:13 PM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>

>

>

>

> http://www.likang.net.cn/time.php?per207.bmp

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never go to references where the sender is not known or there is no subject

and no actual message inside.  Often viruses are in them.  This says it is

unknown so I am just deleting this.  If one of you sent it, maybe you can send

it so we know who you are and what it is about. 

Carolyn Wilkerson

 

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To: sproutpeople ; helper@...; JRSeivert@...

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:26 PM

Subject: (unknown)

 

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