Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 You do have a point, my son is an only child so he has no one to interact with except me while we are schooling. Sally RE: special preschool The thing is, though, that she does interact with other children her age every single day. She has to negotiate, learn to share, defend herself, make requests, help out and work together. That's just life here, being a triplet is a communal affair, everything is shared. So I'm not sure what she will gain by interacting with other children just because they're outside the family, especially since this is a completely special-ed preschool with no "normal" children allowed. At least here she has two normal peer-group role models, and she has learned what socialization she knows from them. (She used to follow Tamara around and copy her every move, including greeting visitors and stuff.) Elaynemommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam (10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) -----Original Message-----From: Sally Rugh From my experience, now I think he does need to be with the other children so that he can learn to deal with it. At one time I would have said no they are wrong but now that I have worked with him myself, I think he needs that life experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hi Elayne, I thought this might be a good information resource for you. This is a email group for parents of kids with ASD who are already homeschooling or are considering it. There is information and a link to join here at: www.weirdkids.com/autism/aut2bhome.htm The group is called AUT2BHOME, and as far as I can tell is accessed exclusively through your email. You may have already heard of this list, if so , ignore this! I found it a bit fiddely to join, but well worth the extra effort. I am only considering homeschooling at this point, and was nervous to join for that reason, but they have welcomed me warmly, and have good advice to offer. My son is registered to start Kindergarden this Feb. in a local school (we are currently living in Australia, school year starts then), but after a really bad time this year in preschool, I feel we will need a safety net in case it doesn't work out. You could always give the preschool a try, keeping an eye on how things are going, and pull her out if the stress gets too much for her. At least if you try it, you'll both know what you think of the experience...in a way I'm glad Ben is getting some idea of what school is like. In the long run it will enable him to give his own input in what we decide to do. And there may come a time, after homeschooling for awhile, that we would decide that returning to regular school would be beneficial. I guess its a matter of gauging where your child is developmentally and socially, and responding to what their needs are at the time. HA! that sounds so easy... Good luck to you Elayne! B, mom to Ben 5 HFA > The thing is, though, that she does interact with other children her age > every single day. She has to negotiate, learn to share, defend herself, > make requests, help out and work together. That's just life here, being a > triplet is a communal affair, everything is shared. So I'm not sure what > she will gain by interacting with other children just because they're > outside the family, especially since this is a completely special-ed > preschool with no " normal " children allowed. At least here she has two > normal peer-group role models, and she has learned what socialization she > knows from them. (She used to follow Tamara around and copy her every move, > including greeting visitors and stuff.) > Elayne > mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam > (10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sally Rugh [mailto:sal5371@p...] > > From my experience, now I think he does need to be with the other children > so that he can learn to deal with it. At one time I would have said no they > are wrong but now that I have worked with him myself, I think he needs that > life experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 We just had a meeting with the special ed teachers for our local school district. DH prompted the meeting because we just found out that Caitlin is visually impaired, and he was wanting to get her " into the system " for mobility training and stuff before she gets any worse and seriously needs it. Sort of get the ball rolling. Anyway, the austism/asperger's came up as well, and the ST basically said I shouldn't be planning to homeschool an asperger's child, that she needs to be in public school to learn social skills. Hi Elayne; frankly the last place I’d send a child for an education in ‘social skills’ is public school. I have spent a lot of time there the past few years and the behavior/language is beyond belief. My eleven year olds former school (he is now home schooled) is big on trying to teach kids to be ‘nice to each other’ and have failed miserably. What I have noticed is even the fooling, joking around with a buddy is so different now a days. It’s mean spirited, shoving, pushing, sarcastic remarks. My son was well liked by his former class mates. The reason I know is as I sit in the hall while he is having his Trombone lesson, they always ask about him in a nice way. Even so, Ps. did not work for him. There is way to much noise, confusion, jumping from subject to subject. truly feels he never learned anything he wanted to. They would spend months on a subject he had thoroughly studied two years before, no adjustment was made. I can get her socialization through other means (scouting, homeschool groups, volunteering, etc.) and get a psych/therapist to assist with teaching her " skills. " But I don't see why she needs to go through humiliation, exclusion, conformity training, or any of the other wonderful (sarcasm?) things she would get in public school. Elayne, I completely agree. I feel she would have more of a chance learning skills through the above. Recently my son joined a small book discussion group, of Home schooled kids. is enjoying the kids and there is a nice exchange of compliments and understanding between them. He also has horse back riding lessons which has been good for balance issues. He takes Trombone at his former school and the teacher is slowly bringing in other kids to play with him. So you see I am saying there are many alternative, positive ways to ‘socialize’ a child. Every weekend he has a friend over. I have put a lot of effort into this since he was about five and it has paid off. They offered for her to attend the special preschool up the street. They would work with her on potty training and social skills, she would get visual assistance if she qualifies (the VI teacher didn't show up for some reason), etc. You could give this a try…I don’t know .. DH is thinking that if she could be taught social skills now, she might not have social problems later. This is going to be an on going process…. Plus I'm concerned about this turning into future pressure not to homeschool her, which can be a big deal in a small town like this. We are in a small town and even teachers have told me they miss , but he looks so much better since he has been home…. Michele mentioned AUT-2-B Home, a great group of parents, grand parents who Home school their kids…do join, lots of help. Do a search on Tammy Glaser Home schooling, she is the moderator….she has done a wonderful job with her daughter since she took her out of Ps. early on. Good luck, Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hi Elayne, I have a grilfriend that has triplets and the school had her spilt them up because they felt that they needed to learn how to fend for themselves instead of relying on one another. Perhaps this is how the DH is feeling with your daughter. By placing her in more social situations she learns how to deal with different perceptions and temperments where as at home she is use to how everyone reacts to her and she feels very safe with her surroundings. My son is 5 years old and is HFA, Pdd-Nos, he is in regualr school and is adapting very well. The children accept him for who he is and gets along with most of his classmates. Nobody in his class know that he has aspergers and they think his Educational Assistant is just there to help him with some of his school work. I think homeschooling is a wonderful option and wish that they offered it in Canada, however at the sametime I know that my son is learning what the world holds and has to offer him outside of the safety of his home. Not sure if this helps you in anyway I just thought that I would give you an example of what I had learned from my friend. Hope it all works out for you. Best Regards, in Ajax > >Reply-To: autism-aspergers >To: <autism-aspergers > >Subject: RE: special preschool >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:11:06 -0500 > >The thing is, though, that she does interact with other children her age >every single day. She has to negotiate, learn to share, defend herself, >make requests, help out and work together. That's just life here, being a >triplet is a communal affair, everything is shared. So I'm not sure what >she will gain by interacting with other children just because they're >outside the family, especially since this is a completely special-ed >preschool with no " normal " children allowed. At least here she has two >normal peer-group role models, and she has learned what socialization she >knows from them. (She used to follow Tamara around and copy her every >move, >including greeting visitors and stuff.) >Elayne >mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam >(10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sally Rugh > > From my experience, now I think he does need to be with the other >children >so that he can learn to deal with it. At one time I would have said no they >are wrong but now that I have worked with him myself, I think he needs that >life experience. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos & pgmarket=en-ca & RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms\ n.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hi Elayne, >>We just had a meeting with the special ed teachers for our local school district. DH prompted the meeting because we just found out that Caitlin is visually impaired, and he was wanting to get her " into the system " for mobility training and stuff before she gets any worse and seriously needs it. Sort of get the ball rolling. Anyway, the austism/asperger's came up as well, and the ST basically said I shouldn't be planning to homeschool an asperger's child, that she needs to be in public school to learn social skills.<< Don't send her to school simply to learn social skills because she won't. By all means send her to a special nursery if they are going to be able to help address all her other needs. Because of the social impairment nature of ASD, it just is virtually impossible for them to 'pick up' social skills just by being around others. All they learn is that they are different. They also can be very easy targets for bullies. Social situations can be very distressing for them, and it may be that she will actually learn more social skills at home, where they can be introduced in a structured way and where she will not be overwhelmed, and can withdraw whenever it gets too much. in England PS This teacher does not seem to understand ASD, so I would be unwilling to entrust my child to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 You may want to do some research if this subject interests you. I just did some looking, and homeschooling is perfectly legal in Canada. As in the US, the regulations vary from province to province, ranging from no required contact with the government to being able to selectively use the public school for some classes (which is what we have here in Michigan; I hope to send the kids to school for band/choir and possibly gym classes). You just need to contact your provincial department of education, or there are likely homeschooling support groups in your area. Elayne mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam (10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhind > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:10 AM > I think homeschooling is a wonderful option and wish that they > offered it in Canada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Elayne Glantzberg wrote: > They offered for her to attend the special preschool up the street. > They would work with her on potty training and social skills, she would > > I guess I'm looking for insight from those of you who have been there. > I'm not sure there even are other homeschoolers on this list; it seems > like everybody is in school. When Louie (AS/HFA) was 3, he went to a developmental preschool suggested by his therapist (wonderful woman). He was there until he was 5, when he started developmental kindergarten. When that was done, he went to first and second grades in a developmental elementary school, then started regular elementary. Starting him in dev. preschool was the best thing we could have done for him. He got all his therapies there, as well as doing regular preschool stuff. He could already read when he got there (having taught himself a few months earlier with the Yellow Pages during an hospitalization for pneumonia), so they worked with him on early reading strategies. He learned a lot there, and even made some friends (autistic, of course; that's always been his preference for peers). Continuing him through dev. kindergarten and dev. elementary school was also a good thing for him. In all three, the groups were small and designed for autistics of varying stripes, both verbal and non-verbal (which Louie was till almost 6). In dev. kindergarten, he was taught rudimentary sign so that he could express his needs. They potty trained him in dev. elementary school, and gave him the help he needed to finally speak. If you have a chance to get your child into a developmental preschool, by all means do so! It was a great start for our guy, who is now 23 and in supported living with a volunteer job. Which is, BTW, filling all the bird feeders (15 of them) and the suet cages at a nature center not far from here. My .02, anyway. Annie, who loves ya annie@... -- " Be the change you wish to see in the world. " -- Anon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Thanks Elayne, I think I will look into it a little further. in Ajax. > >Reply-To: autism-aspergers >To: <autism-aspergers > >Subject: RE: special preschool >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:02:16 -0500 > >You may want to do some research if this subject interests you. I just did >some looking, and homeschooling is perfectly legal in Canada. As in the >US, >the regulations vary from province to province, ranging from no required >contact with the government to being able to selectively use the public >school for some classes (which is what we have here in Michigan; I hope to >send the kids to school for band/choir and possibly gym classes). You just >need to contact your provincial department of education, or there are >likely >homeschooling support groups in your area. > >Elayne >mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam >(10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhind > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:10 AM > > I think homeschooling is a wonderful option and wish that they > > offered it in Canada... > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm & pgmarket=en-ca & RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com\ %2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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