Re: 64 year old male with PSSD

[Guest guest]

so you can have orgasm when you masturbate and cant when having sex ?

I dont think it is permanent in a sense that we cant find a way to fix

this, but I think its safe to say that it can be permanent if nothing

is done trying to reverse this. But who know some people might just

recover without doing anything but since you are already in your 60s I

doubt you will be able to recover naturally, im just guessing.

>

> Recently (message #8238) I asked several questions of the SSRIsex

group

> and got no response, so let me be more specific. After being off

SSRIs

> for 2 years and still having extreme difficulty achieving orgasm with

> my wife (not an issue with masturbation, for some reason), can I

assume

> that the dysfunction is permanent? Are there any known solutions?

> Thanks....

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Recently (message #8238) I asked several questions of the SSRIsex

> group

> > and got no response, so let me be more specific. After being off

> SSRIs

> > for 2 years and still having extreme difficulty achieving orgasm

with

> > my wife (not an issue with masturbation, for some reason), can I

> assume

> > that the dysfunction is permanent? Are there any known solutions?

> > Thanks....

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nothing is permanent...the body and brain constantly tries to rebuild

and heal as long as you are living if you allow it to. This may take

extreme measures that include detox diet/time/meditation *stress free

lifestyle something that takes a lot of commitment and over time the

brain starts to regenerate to a large degree. I think it is possible

to get to 100% or maybe even more than before PSSD if someone became

completely committed to their health and wellbeing for months to a few

years. I have read too many stories of people recovering from the

worst of situations by modifying their lifestyles to solve a seemingly

unsolvable problem and I dont see why this should be any different. I

have not seen any improvement other than lack of numbness as of late

for myself but that is also because I have been extremely stressed

more so than ever before...This is due to school finals and flashbacks

of my past. I am seeking counseling and meditation and yoga when

school is out. Also the body cannot heal under stress and actually

breaks down. And like way2recovery said in less severe cases it

probably takes a few months or weeks to recover without doing anything

probably bc their gene expression wasn't altered to the same degree.

> >

> > Recently (message #8238) I asked several questions of the SSRIsex

> group

> > and got no response, so let me be more specific. After being off

> SSRIs

> > for 2 years and still having extreme difficulty achieving orgasm with

> > my wife (not an issue with masturbation, for some reason), can I

> assume

> > that the dysfunction is permanent? Are there any known solutions?

> > Thanks....

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was just guessing it would be harder for someone who is in the

60s producing less hormones probably might have harder time

recovering naturally. But since everyone is different who

knows. I honestly feel now after SSRI I am 10 years older. I feel

like I aged a lot more faster. For example thinning of the skin and

very dry skin. Before SSRI which was around 4 years ago. My face was

very greasy dark and had thick skin. I dont think Im going to go

through another puberty and reverse aging. But anyways, I guess what

I mean in terms of unnatural is doing something about it, like

excercising , vitamins , drugs or whatever and I meant " natural "

meaning not doing anything and expecting the reversal. This is how I

am viewing this issue right now, especially when I read about this

one guy who had PSSD for about 10 year from his 20s to 30s after

taking zoloft. If you are able to masturbate and able to feel

pleasure but just not with your wife, I think that is a good sign

rather that not being able to in both situation.

> > >

> > > Recently (message #8238) I asked several questions of the

SSRIsex

> > group

> > > and got no response, so let me be more specific. After being

off

> > SSRIs

> > > for 2 years and still having extreme difficulty achieving

orgasm

> with

> > > my wife (not an issue with masturbation, for some reason), can

I

> > assume

> > > that the dysfunction is permanent? Are there any known

solutions?

> > > Thanks....

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was reading about how we might not be able to heal because of putting

our bodies and mins in a constant state of stress.

I want to start getting back into sports and do some serious training,

but now that I think about it, this might do me more harm. If I'm

stressing my body out with sports and weight lifting, is that going to

benefit me or not? I still have a lack of adrenaline and I still feel

somewhat detached from reality after discontinuing these drugs.

I didn't even feel like going out tonight even with the nice weather.

I'm just like " eh what's the point? " Every time I go out, I feel no

interest talking to females. I'd rather sit inside and play video

games or read as they more worthwhile at this point.

[Guest guest]

If we continue to stay in a constant state of stress we won't heal. I

never heard of an absurd idea about not being able to heal b/c of long

periods of chronic stress unless you are already dead. Take the

stressor away and instantly the body and mind starts fighting to

survive and regenerate. Adrenal burnout takes 2 years to fully recover

with proper treatment. Also every cell in the body is recreated every

7 years. I would stay away from heavy lifting. Start out slow you are

right about the adrenals. They are overtaxed and are probably fatigued

especially bc the drugs mess them up even more. Same with me. I do

light running 15-20 minutes a day recommended or every other although

I stopped for a while b/c of finals in school. Being stress free is

the most important aspect of healing then nutrition and then exercise

but you need all three to actually recover which I never really took

into consideration until now. I don't go out at all either anymore b/c

of impaired sex drive and I'm freakin 22. Just a little over a year

ago I was able to go to clubs and feel a strong connection with girls

until I took Risperdal at 6mg for 4 months. The SSRIs never did a

thing to me at a max dose for some reason.

>

> I was reading about how we might not be able to heal because of putting

> our bodies and mins in a constant state of stress.

>

> I want to start getting back into sports and do some serious training,

> but now that I think about it, this might do me more harm. If I'm

> stressing my body out with sports and weight lifting, is that going to

> benefit me or not? I still have a lack of adrenaline and I still feel

> somewhat detached from reality after discontinuing these drugs.

>

> I didn't even feel like going out tonight even with the nice weather.

> I'm just like " eh what's the point? " Every time I go out, I feel no

> interest talking to females. I'd rather sit inside and play video

> games or read as they more worthwhile at this point.

>

[Guest guest]

The whole antidepressant effect on our brains is still not fully

understood, so I have trouble believing that our brain can heal itself

back to the point prior to taking antidepressants. I hope that our brain

can heal itself, but that is quite hard to do if it requires no stress.

Those of us stuck in depression after getting off the antidepressants

are in quite a loop. My immediate goal is to get my emotions back

together, because all the sex in the world won't make me happy if I'm

depressed.

There are millions of people trying the same methods to cure depression

and stress. Obviously, no one has found the answer yet, so why not try

something new? I'm currently looking at three theories regarding

depression, and possibly PSSD:

1- Bowen Therapy. I posted this already, it is supposed to cause the

body to heal the autonomic nervous system. In short, it causes the body

to " reset, " and is supposed to heal physical and mental pains. I know it

does something to my brain since it wiped away my Effexor withdrawal

symptoms (brain zaps, fatigue, etc).

2- Tension Myositis Syndrome, a belief that most of our physical, and

possibly mental, problems are simply due to buried anger and stress. I

totally believe in this one, not just because everyone else does,

<http://www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156/ref\

=pd_bbs_2/104-6757470-8782315?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1177226336 & sr=8-2>

but because I have seen it in my life so many times, and have actually

fixed myself of a few things. Dry eyes, bad back, ringing in the ears,

etc, all used as a distraction to keep of from thinking of what really

bothers us.

This was demonstrated on 20/20 with Stossel a few years ago,

and Stern dedicated one of his biographies to the founder,

Sarno, because he was able to cure his bad back and his obsessive

compulsive disorder. It's been proven to work on OCD and other mental

issues, so depression being just a distraction shouldn't be a

far-fetched idea. Also, props to Sarno for being a high-ranking M.D. and

actually going against the system and saying that physical therapy and

surgery are not needed for most physical problems.

3- Redirecting self therapy. This one is similar in that it says

suppressed anger and stress cause mental problems like depression.

However, the founder was apparently a neurophysiologist, giving the

theory some backbone and explaining how our brains physically cause

depression and why. The gist is that our anger and stress pile up and

clog pathways in the brain, leading to depression.

I know people don't like the whole chemical imbalance theory, but I

like this one because A) she states that they can be fixed by ourselves

without medications, and the imbalance was not caused by heredity or

some pre-destined crap that the drug companies try to sell us. She just

says that we need to unclog our brains through anger release. That

sounds easy and promising to me. If anyone is interested, take a look

here. <http://www.redirectingselftherapy.com/pamphlet.pdf>

Shay

nuretronics wrote:

>

> If we continue to stay in a constant state of stress we won't heal. I

> never heard of an absurd idea about not being able to heal b/c of long

> periods of chronic stress unless you are already dead. Take the

> stressor away and instantly the body and mind starts fighting to

> survive and regenerate. Adrenal burnout takes 2 years to fully recover

> with proper treatment. Also every cell in the body is recreated every

> 7 years. I would stay away from heavy lifting. Start out slow you are

> right about the adrenals. They are overtaxed and are probably fatigued

> especially bc the drugs mess them up even more. Same with me. I do

> light running 15-20 minutes a day recommended or every other although

> I stopped for a while b/c of finals in school. Being stress free is

> the most important aspect of healing then nutrition and then exercise

> but you need all three to actually recover which I never really took

> into consideration until now. I don't go out at all either anymore b/c

> of impaired sex drive and I'm freakin 22. Just a little over a year

> ago I was able to go to clubs and feel a strong connection with girls

> until I took Risperdal at 6mg for 4 months. The SSRIs never did a

> thing to me at a max dose for some reason.

>

>

> >

> > I was reading about how we might not be able to heal because of putting

> > our bodies and mins in a constant state of stress.

> >

> > I want to start getting back into sports and do some serious training,

> > but now that I think about it, this might do me more harm. If I'm

> > stressing my body out with sports and weight lifting, is that going to

> > benefit me or not? I still have a lack of adrenaline and I still feel

> > somewhat detached from reality after discontinuing these drugs.

> >

> > I didn't even feel like going out tonight even with the nice weather.

> > I'm just like " eh what's the point? " Every time I go out, I feel no

> > interest talking to females. I'd rather sit inside and play video

> > games or read as they more worthwhile at this point.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've tried all kinds of alternative approaches. I've been told on

more than one occasion that " anger release " would improve my

situation. Problem is, I don't know how to release the anger.

Honestly, I don't think I'm as angry at the problem as I should be.

That Bowen therapy is interesting. I'll have to look into it a

little more. So you've tried it and would recommend it for sexual

problems?

Thanks -

Luther

> > >

> > > I was reading about how we might not be able to heal because

of putting

> > > our bodies and mins in a constant state of stress.

> > >

> > > I want to start getting back into sports and do some serious

training,

> > > but now that I think about it, this might do me more harm. If

I'm

> > > stressing my body out with sports and weight lifting, is that

going to

> > > benefit me or not? I still have a lack of adrenaline and I

still feel

> > > somewhat detached from reality after discontinuing these drugs.

> > >

> > > I didn't even feel like going out tonight even with the nice

weather.

> > > I'm just like " eh what's the point? " Every time I go out, I

feel no

> > > interest talking to females. I'd rather sit inside and play

video

> > > games or read as they more worthwhile at this point.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't recommend it for sexual healing yet, because I did it February

2006 to help with the effexor withdrawal hell. I have hope because I

know for a fact that it helped me get over the symptoms, so it does

something to your brain. It basically wiped out the brain zaps, fatigue,

disorientation, etc. They were all gone the day after my first session

(I did two). The therapist spent a good amount of time moving around my

neck and skull area, I don't know the science behind it but something

was being switched around.

I don't recall if it had any sexual side effects, since I was pretty

normal back then, in fact I was more horny than usual coming off of the

effexor for the first time. All this talk about the nervous systems

being involved gives me hope, so I'm going to go in for five sessions

(usually a week apart) with a therapist trained out of the original

Bowen school in Australia. The last one was just trained locally.

Some sites also claim that it helps with depression, which I'm not sure

about since I think that has a lot to do with emotional issues. However,

I did do another two sessions in July and was kind of shocked that the

day I did if the first time I felt like the happiest person in the

world, free of depression. In a seven month period of depression, that

was the one day I was truly happy and stress-free.

I'll find out soon enough....

Shay

lightsoutluther wrote:

>

>

> I've tried all kinds of alternative approaches. I've been told on

> more than one occasion that " anger release " would improve my

> situation. Problem is, I don't know how to release the anger.

> Honestly, I don't think I'm as angry at the problem as I should be.

>

> That Bowen therapy is interesting. I'll have to look into it a

> little more. So you've tried it and would recommend it for sexual

> problems?

>

> Thanks -

>

> Luther

>

[Guest guest]

Heavy exercise helped my PSSD, my mental state, my

self esteem, my anxiety, everything. The two years i

worked out 4-5 days a week, i felt younger, healthier,

confident, happier, wanted more sex, etc etc. It was

positive in every way. I quit doing so much exercise

(laziness, burnout) for a year and all the

inhibitions, anxiety, PSSD and bad stuff returned,

although not as bad. i am getting ready to start

running again. Will keep you all posted. Exercise is a

resounding YES to me!

--- zant808 wrote:

> I was reading about how we might not be able to heal

> because of putting

> our bodies and mins in a constant state of stress.

>

> I want to start getting back into sports and do some

> serious training,

> but now that I think about it, this might do me more

> harm. If I'm

> stressing my body out with sports and weight

> lifting, is that going to

> benefit me or not? I still have a lack of

> adrenaline and I still feel

> somewhat detached from reality after discontinuing

> these drugs.

>

> I didn't even feel like going out tonight even with

> the nice weather.

> I'm just like " eh what's the point? " Every time I

> go out, I feel no

> interest talking to females. I'd rather sit inside

> and play video

> games or read as they more worthwhile at this point.

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Shay -

That's interesting. Please keep us posted, and good luck with your

sessions. I may give it a shot myself in the next couple of months.

Luther

> >

> >

> > I've tried all kinds of alternative approaches. I've been told on

> > more than one occasion that " anger release " would improve my

> > situation. Problem is, I don't know how to release the anger.

> > Honestly, I don't think I'm as angry at the problem as I should

be.

> >

> > That Bowen therapy is interesting. I'll have to look into it a

> > little more. So you've tried it and would recommend it for sexual

> > problems?

> >

> > Thanks -

> >

> > Luther

> >

>