Re: Byron (The Movie)

[Guest guest]

You know, I never really gave it much thought, but my experience with the

Work began with my sister a few times...but then she took me to see

...So I did get to how she does it, and I am sure that it has helped

immensely...

I have also studied hypnosis extensively, by the way Hypnotherapy is what

I do for work. I use the four questions in my practice, and it often happens

sort of spontaneously. Maybe because I do so many worksheets myself that the

questions just sort of come out when I hear a judgemental statement. It

often gets people to the " core issues " more quickly than using hypnosis

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

most definitely- when i first saw katie years ago at a " grand gathering " retreat

in alta, utah- i was completely spellbound! things she said seemed to

resonatedeep within me and awakened a part of me i had forgotten. i recommend

anyone who has the chance- go and watch katie do the work- she is like a very

precious surgeon and her " knife " is love- pure selfless love-absence of

ego-wonderful..treat yourself. lovingly laurie

Byron (The Movie)

I went ahead and bought the VCR's " The Proof of Truth " , " Weight, Sex and

Adultery " , " Cancer meets Inquiry " , " Black or White now I Understand " .

When I was study hypnosis and sonian " conversational hypnosis " back

in the late eighties and early nineties I would buy tapes to watch the

" operators " (hypnotists). You need to watch and hear how they do what

they do and then mimic that, to get the encapsulation of the " style "

when you learn various hypnotic methods of communication, (at least

that's the common assumption). I've read a lot of the dialogues,

I've read " Loving What Is " , but until I could see her, I don't think I

actually had a full sense of how powerful " The Work " is.

When I stare at the four questions in first light, there doesn't seem

much to them. But all around them though, there is an " idea " that helps

facilitate them for me, when I get stuck. That's a sense of what

experienced in the attic of the halfway house...that visionary thing she

describes, seeing with someone else's eyes. From that seems to evolve a

kind of " attitude " , that shapes the inquiries she facilitates. I can't

imagine the impact that the gatherings she does where people can

actually work with her face to face but I get a sense of it I think, in

these films.

So I take them wherever I go, and show them and then talk about them

later. It makes for a powerful lead in to doing " The Work " with friends

and family, just seeing it in these videos, and then doing it with one

another. Each of these have impacted me on a personal level, have been

revealing and powerful each in their own rite. So I was wondering if

anyone else has found that watching facilitate, has helped them

with their own inquiries, or helped them as they worked with others?

[Guest guest]

I found that reading the book (partial biography) that describes

her " mystical " experience validates my approach to the work. In other words

behind and through the four simple questions and turn around lie the

ineffable.

Chuck

When I stare at the four questions in first light, there doesn't seem

much to them. But all around them though, there is an " idea " that helps

facilitate them for me, when I get stuck. That's a sense of what

experienced in the attic of the halfway house...that visionary thing she

describes, seeing with someone else's eyes. From that seems to evolve a

kind of " attitude " , that shapes the inquiries she facilitates. I can't

imagine the impact that the gatherings she does where people can

actually work with her face to face but I get a sense of it I think, in

these films.

[Guest guest]

HI

I just had another Work experince.

I read through this email and I wondered why you had written three full

paragraphs just to ask that one question. I as irritated and wishing you

would get to the point. I had lots of ideas about how I would reply to you.

I realize, now that I was reading with some irritating filters on because

before I was to send my reply, I read it again and saw a gift in it for me.

I saw how you were able to provide some understanding to others of how the

Work works.

I am grateful for that, because I have been wondering how to pass the

message along, while I am still a judgment silo.

thanks and thanks

steve

Byron (The Movie)

I went ahead and bought the VCR's " The Proof of Truth " , " Weight, Sex and

Adultery " , " Cancer meets Inquiry " , " Black or White now I Understand " .

When I was study hypnosis and sonian " conversational hypnosis " back

in the late eighties and early nineties I would buy tapes to watch the

" operators " (hypnotists). You need to watch and hear how they do what

they do and then mimic that, to get the encapsulation of the " style "

when you learn various hypnotic methods of communication, (at least

that's the common assumption). I've read a lot of the dialogues,

I've read " Loving What Is " , but until I could see her, I don't think I

actually had a full sense of how powerful " The Work " is.

When I stare at the four questions in first light, there doesn't seem

much to them. But all around them though, there is an " idea " that helps

facilitate them for me, when I get stuck. That's a sense of what

experienced in the attic of the halfway house...that visionary thing she

describes, seeing with someone else's eyes. From that seems to evolve a

kind of " attitude " , that shapes the inquiries she facilitates. I can't

imagine the impact that the gatherings she does where people can

actually work with her face to face but I get a sense of it I think, in

these films.

So I take them wherever I go, and show them and then talk about them

later. It makes for a powerful lead in to doing " The Work " with friends

and family, just seeing it in these videos, and then doing it with one

another. Each of these have impacted me on a personal level, have been

revealing and powerful each in their own rite. So I was wondering if

anyone else has found that watching facilitate, has helped them

with their own inquiries, or helped them as they worked with others?

[Guest guest]

You know, I never really gave it much thought, but my experience with

the

Work began with my sister a few times...but then she took me to see

...So I did get to how she does it, and I am sure that it has

helped

immensely...

I have also studied hypnosis extensively, by the way Hypnotherapy is

what

I do for work. I use the four questions in my practice, and it often

happens

sort of spontaneously. Maybe because I do so many worksheets myself

that the

questions just sort of come out when I hear a judgemental statement. It

often gets people to the " core issues " more quickly than using hypnosis

Blessings,

---There is something in NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming) called a

" double bind " . This is accomplished with " slight of mouth " or phrases

that cause your thoughts to get " bumped up " into another level of

reality. " Who would you be without that thought " , for instance, feels

like a double bind to me (especially as you've thoroughly dissected it

and are probably ready to discard it in the first three questions

already) because to answer that question after going through the first

part...it seems it just has to shift you into another of that thought, a

more elevated perception. Who would you be? I can actually feel what it

would be like to not have that thought and how the world would look

without it. From there, the next step for me simply has to be to give it

up.

---If you watch , she matches and paces who she's sitting with,

then at the right moment, does this " concept flip " (the questions help a

lot with this)...and just about everyone gets this immediate " aha " . It's

incredibly powerful. I watched the last VCR of the series I bought

( " Black or White Now I Understand " ) Friday and there are moments in that

where you can also hear the changes going on not just in the person

sitting, but all over the room. There are gasps and sobs and " aha

moments " the mike can pick up, happening everywhere. I don't think there

was a dry eye in the place nor do I think people have ever been attuned

to issues of race so acutely, as in those moments on that tape. All the

while I kept thinking of Dr. Milton son the father of clinical

hypnosis. I have tapes of him doing his thing with clients and it has

the same energy, but not nearly as simple, dramatic, and acutely visible

as .

---I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of conversational hypnosis.

We all do it naturally with no training. Everyone keeps dropping each

other in and out of trance all the time...just talking and listening. We

go to and from work in varying degrees of trance state. It's everywhere.

So the act of being hypnotized doesn't always occur on the stage where

people cluck like chickens...it has other places where it can happen

too. The times you observed , did you get a sense of a trance

induction...the way it feels when words move you in and out of multiple

levels of awareness and then ...shift something? All the elements that

are a part of these sorts of interventions she's definitely mastered.

I've seen perceptual shifts happen so powerfully you could hear the

moment they popped. But none have impacted me more than the ones I

observed in these relatively short tapes.

[Guest guest]

HI

I just had another Work experince.

I read through this email and I wondered why you had written three full

paragraphs just to ask that one question. I as irritated and wishing

you would get to the point. I had lots of ideas about how I would reply

to you.

I realize, now that I was reading with some irritating filters on

because before I was to send my reply, I read it again and saw a gift in

it for me. I saw how you were able to provide some understanding to

others of how the Work works.

I am grateful for that, because I have been wondering how to pass the

message along, while I am still a judgment silo.

thanks and thanks

steve

---I have to say I learned from your Work experience too. I don't know

if this will relate to anything you've said but I thought of it as I

read how you walked through your feelings of irritability. I'm a Vietnam

Era Vet and for a long time I suffered from some pretty severe

adjustment problems. I drove around Reno Nevada with a fully loaded 357

in my glove compartment a lot. I was the self appointed " driving

police " . I was screwed up and wounded and everyone was supposed to drive

right on my roads or they'd piss me off and I would yell and insult and

abuse them...and if they didn't get it right...then there was that 357.

One day I was teaching another driver to understand why I was an asshole

by yelling at them through my closed car window. Only this time, my wife

was in the passenger seat. I glanced over at her and realized that my

tactics for training the world how to drive right...were faulty, and

only set me up to be alone while everyone kept driving the way they

wanted to, flipping me and my 357 off at will.

---I guess what you said made me think of the journey some people must

make to work through anger...and impatience. The Work is a powerful tool

for challenging the things we put in place to " almost " deal with anger.

But it takes a lot of honesty and courage to take up these

issues...something many people not afflicted with a raging heart don't

always appreciate or understand. You're right. These are a lot of words

just to say thank you back. But I wrote them anyway, I'm sure you'll

understand.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jess...

That works for me *hugs*

[Guest guest]

Hi , looks like there are two of us on the list as well as two

Carols' !

I will use the signature " Jess " to differentaite if that works well?

Jess.

>From: MagicSpiritGirl@...

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Byron (The Movie)

>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:48:12 EDT

>

>I suppose I could have said that the 4 questions sometimes get a person to

>the 'core issues' more quickly than the actual hypsosis " session " I agree

>that we go in and out of " the state " all the time... And sometimes just

>being

> " present " is healing in and of itself, and I have found that is very

>present.

>I have often heard say " I'm a lover of what IS " ...and when it comes

>to

>my work, I am a lover of what works The how's and why's don't seem to

>matter so much and I could go on and on as to how and why the Work works

>(double bind, reframing, conversational hypnosis, etc....)...but I have

>found that the experience can be different for different people and I can

>only really know my own experience with it, why it works for someone else

>isnt really my business (although I have found that I am quite good at

>making

>other people's 'stuff' my business...) For me, figuring it all out just

>takes me out of being present and out of my process and into analysis...(I

>was told by a friend one time that I had " analysis paralysis " LOL)

>What I do know is that the work has helped me stay sane (if there is such a

>thing) and it works for me And it appears that it helps many others as

>well...

>Whatever the process, reason, etc...I am grateful that my sister introduced

>me to this work. (Thank you )

>

>Love and Blessings,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear J.M. (was it Jim?),

I so appreciate your presence on this message board. You show us

what's possible.

In many ways, each of our stories is no less than a miracle.

Many years ago was told I would have to be on antidepressants for the

rest of my life. I was in therapy for all of my adult life, and

after

my father died I finally agreed to go on Prozac. I ended up taking a

few different drugs and then stopping them, as they never helped me

for long and the side-effects were terrible.

My depression completely dropped for three months after I did The

Work

for the first time, back in March of 2001, which tells me it was, for

me, a disease of my thinking. Now and again it returns, to varying

degrees. Some of it may be situational, and some of it may be due to

fluctuations in brain chemistry, and those factors are not within my

control and are therefore none of my business. What I can do is to

be

willing to experience my feelings and inquire into them.

I left therapy, with my therapist's blessings, after I became

proficient in self-inquiry. Ever since meeting , I was having

my

shrink read the questions to me anyhow!

Every now and then I feel the need to talk to someone or be

facilitated in The Work rather than self-facilitating. Every so

often

I know to take some St. 's wort for a time; it's not a panacea,

it

can only take the edge off. But I don't call myself a depressive

anymore. For me, this Work has been the difference between a life of

cyclical periods of hopelessness that threaten to consume me, and a

life where hopeless feelings come, and I can sit with them. Even

when

it gets really, really horrible, and it feels that way sometimes, I

know this. I know what to do. And I am so grateful.

Love, Carol

>>In a message dated 9/1/02 6:06:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

jml@l... writes:

>>>>I have been from psychiatrist to psychiatrist being fed one brain

poison after the other and still the behaviors persisted. But in

twenty minutes years of irascibility, anger and confusion that has

cost me many relationships and a government jo

[Guest guest]

Dear Lovers of What Is,

I haven't been able to log on for the last 36 hours or so and am just

now catching up. Your story, JM, and what others have shared in

response, is just blowing me away with hope and gratitude.

My mind is such a tricky and tangled up place to be in at times. Even

with the simplicity of the Work's 4 questions and TA i manage to

complicate things sometimes but, this inquiry stuff is giving me more

glimmers of clarity than anything else ever has. It's so amazing in

its simplicity. And i so appreciate a simple solution to my tangled up

web of thoughts.

I'm also really grateful for this list and you all, my cyberfriends,

my cybergroup. Thank you for sharing of yourselves. Thank you also to

those of you who responded to me off list the other day when i asked

if someone would connect with me by phone. I felt very loved and cared

about with the responses i got.

Thank you. (Now i'll go back to read more posts!)

-heidi

>

> Dear J.M. (was it Jim?),

>

> I so appreciate your presence on this message board. You show us what's

> possible.

>

> In many ways, each of our stories is no less than a miracle.

>

> Many years ago was told I would have to be on antidepressants for the

> rest of my life. I was in therapy for all of my adult life, and after

> my father died I finally agreed to go on Prozac. I ended up taking a

> few different drugs and then stopping them, as they never helped me for

> long and the side-effects were terrible.

>

> My depression completely dropped for three months after I did The Work

> for the first time, back in March of 2001, which tells me it was, for

> me, a disease of my thinking. Now and again it returns, to varying

> degrees. Some of it may be situational, and some of it may be due to

> fluctuations in brain chemistry, and those factors are not within my

> control and are therefore none of my business. What I can do is to be

> willing to experience my feelings and inquire into them.

>

> I left therapy, with my therapist's blessings, after I became proficient

> in self-inquiry. Ever since meeting , I was having my shrink read

> the questions to me anyhow!

>

> Every now and then I feel the need to talk to someone or be facilitated

> in The Work rather than self-facilitating. Every so often I know to

> take some St. 's wort for a time; it's not a panacea, it can only

> take the edge off. But I don't call myself a depressive anymore. For

> me, this Work has been the difference between a life of cyclical periods

> of hopelessness that threaten to consume me, and a life where hopeless

> feelings come, and I can sit with them. Even when it gets really,

> really horrible, and it feels that way sometimes, I know this. I know

> what to do. And I am so grateful.

>

> Love, Carol

>

> ---It is good to be appreciated, and I appreciated your appreciating me.

> I know about the problems revolving around " mental health " and

> chemistry. About six months ago I was given an anti-anxiety drug and an

> anti psychotic. They reacted and created a " neural burn " . I never want

> to go through that again. Anything that can keep us off drugs is good. I

> have to admit sometimes that mental illness prevents us from seeing the

> clarity in the " four questions " . That sort of thing happens...even to

> people not afflicted with cognitive disorders. But if you can write the

> answers down and think them through, there is more than a chance that

> you can be free from anything that keeps you small. Sometimes the

> reality is that pills are the only thing keeping some of us in the game.

> That's what is. And we can love that. Pills aren't the only answer for

> everyone all the time, we have to be willing to explore that idea...with

> inquiry. In a world where there is truth, nothing is impossible.