Early report on supplement

[Guest guest]

Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I experience, which seems

real from

taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture Vine that became known

through

this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years ago, seems to

stimulate LH

production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the testis to produce

testosterone.

Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged plus men (like myself)

with

decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a bit. I started 1 week ago

with 1

dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go to triple, consult

you bugger,

sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday morning and today in

awakening

libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is much better than the

Levitra, that I

last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head and (numb) tumescence

(although

this might still also have some effect, even after a week!). Incidentally, it

does fit with the

reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also testosterone

regulated. I prefer a

stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd prefer this over

testosterone

supplementation, as this may have other effects as well. Also I prefer herbal

remedies, as

these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects compared to single synthetic

components. I should not have any effect after such a short period, but then, I

do, which

only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo effect, because I did

NOT expect it

so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm this.

Tribulis terrestris

www.hwize.com

Extract standardised to 40% saponins

Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

[Guest guest]

Thanks Z.!

Todays was a third ok(-ish) morning. It's still there.

> >

> > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I experience,

> which seems real from

> > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture Vine that

> became known through

> > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years ago,

> seems to stimulate LH

> > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the testis

> to produce testosterone.

> > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged plus men

> (like myself) with

> > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a bit. I

> started 1 week ago with 1

> > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go to

> triple, consult you bugger,

> > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday morning and

> today in awakening

> > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is much

> better than the Levitra, that I

> > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head and (numb)

> tumescence (although

> > this might still also have some effect, even after a week!).

> Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd prefer this

> over testosterone

> > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well. Also I

> prefer herbal remedies, as

> > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects compared to

> single synthetic

> > components. I should not have any effect after such a short period,

> but then, I do, which

> > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo effect,

> because I did NOT expect it

> > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm this.

> > Tribulis terrestris

> > www.hwize.com

> > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fourth or fifth good day on Tribulis terrestris

> >

> > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I experience,

> which seems real from

> > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture Vine that

> became known through

> > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years ago,

> seems to stimulate LH

> > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the testis

> to produce testosterone.

> > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged plus men

> (like myself) with

> > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a bit. I

> started 1 week ago with 1

> > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go to

> triple, consult you bugger,

> > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday morning and

> today in awakening

> > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is much

> better than the Levitra, that I

> > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head and (numb)

> tumescence (although

> > this might still also have some effect, even after a week!).

> Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd prefer this

> over testosterone

> > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well. Also I

> prefer herbal remedies, as

> > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects compared to

> single synthetic

> > components. I should not have any effect after such a short period,

> but then, I do, which

> > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo effect,

> because I did NOT expect it

> > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm this.

> > Tribulis terrestris

> > www.hwize.com

> > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's great.

> > >

> > > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I

experience,

> > which seems real from

> > > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture Vine

that

> > became known through

> > > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years

ago,

> > seems to stimulate LH

> > > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the

testis

> > to produce testosterone.

> > > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged plus

men

> > (like myself) with

> > > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a bit. I

> > started 1 week ago with 1

> > > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go to

> > triple, consult you bugger,

> > > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday

morning and

> > today in awakening

> > > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is much

> > better than the Levitra, that I

> > > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head and

(numb)

> > tumescence (although

> > > this might still also have some effect, even after a week!).

> > Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> > testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd prefer

this

> > over testosterone

> > > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well. Also

I

> > prefer herbal remedies, as

> > > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects compared to

> > single synthetic

> > > components. I should not have any effect after such a short

period,

> > but then, I do, which

> > > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo

effect,

> > because I did NOT expect it

> > > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm

this.

> > > Tribulis terrestris

> > > www.hwize.com

> > > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vornan, a few further remarks:

(1) TEST. I had blood tests (testosterone, growth hormone marker) before, with

the plan of

having them after some time again, which I will try to do.

(2) PSYCHOLOGY. Interestingly, now it feels like the psychological effect is

still there

(which i never used to have, no need!), but the physical effect is being mended

to a

degree. I honestly don't beleive in only psychological effect. when it started i

didn't, now

this is confirmed!

(3) EFFECT. Tactile stimulation is still a bit more important than it used to

be, but

significantly to me, there is a clear even non-arousal related libido: interest

and fantasy

> > > >

> > > > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I

> experience,

> > > which seems real from

> > > > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture Vine

> that

> > > became known through

> > > > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years

> ago,

> > > seems to stimulate LH

> > > > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the

> testis

> > > to produce testosterone.

> > > > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged plus

> men

> > > (like myself) with

> > > > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a bit. I

> > > started 1 week ago with 1

> > > > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go to

> > > triple, consult you bugger,

> > > > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday

> morning and

> > > today in awakening

> > > > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is much

> > > better than the Levitra, that I

> > > > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head and

> (numb)

> > > tumescence (although

> > > > this might still also have some effect, even after a week!).

> > > Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > > > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> > > testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > > > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd prefer

> this

> > > over testosterone

> > > > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well. Also

> I

> > > prefer herbal remedies, as

> > > > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects compared to

> > > single synthetic

> > > > components. I should not have any effect after such a short

> period,

> > > but then, I do, which

> > > > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo

> effect,

> > > because I did NOT expect it

> > > > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm

> this.

> > > > Tribulis terrestris

> > > > www.hwize.com

> > > > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > > > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JR,

Could you elaborate on the psychological effect. Why do you believe

it more now?

Vornan

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I

> > experience,

> > > > which seems real from

> > > > > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture

Vine

> > that

> > > > became known through

> > > > > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years

> > ago,

> > > > seems to stimulate LH

> > > > > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the

> > testis

> > > > to produce testosterone.

> > > > > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged

plus

> > men

> > > > (like myself) with

> > > > > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a

bit. I

> > > > started 1 week ago with 1

> > > > > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go

to

> > > > triple, consult you bugger,

> > > > > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday

> > morning and

> > > > today in awakening

> > > > > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is

much

> > > > better than the Levitra, that I

> > > > > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head

and

> > (numb)

> > > > tumescence (although

> > > > > this might still also have some effect, even after a

week!).

> > > > Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > > > > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> > > > testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > > > > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd

prefer

> > this

> > > > over testosterone

> > > > > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well.

Also

> > I

> > > > prefer herbal remedies, as

> > > > > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects

compared to

> > > > single synthetic

> > > > > components. I should not have any effect after such a

short

> > period,

> > > > but then, I do, which

> > > > > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo

> > effect,

> > > > because I did NOT expect it

> > > > > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm

> > this.

> > > > > Tribulis terrestris

> > > > > www.hwize.com

> > > > > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > > > > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vornan,

Because there is a bigger difference between masturbation and having sex. In the

latter

there is more performance anxiety. That's the only reason I think this.

I addition to that, I also sense that this is just one component, and that both

dopamine as

well as noradrenaline should play a more important role. However, the primary

function is

there (to an extent) through the testosterone, and that is the main thing in a

relationship.

The reason I think the dopamine/noradrenaline aspect could use further

activation, is

because of the socio-sexual aspects: sexual flirting, getting aroused by people

you may

not even know whilst flirting. This is still low too, and there is no peformance

anxiety

under those circumstances. This component of sex life includes in my idea

considerable

exitement also with your partner,and this exitement contributes significantly to

arousal, it

has a stronger psychological component than the testosterone and realtes more to

circumstances, perhaps fatansy, use of toys as some people do, role play and

stuff. Just

my idea.

I still want to try Wellbutrin (+clomid) at some point, if I can get my hands on

it, e.g. by

pretending I am a heavy smoker and want to quit - via internet - or on holiday

outside

Northern Europe/US over the counter. Or find out which herbal medicine does the

same!

(horny goat weed?)

The dose I use of Tribulus terrestris is two pills. (2 x 625 mg) It says 1

pill, 2 0r 3x a day

only in consultation with your doctor. One pill is about equal to the maximum

dose that

Holand and Barett recommend (3 x 250 mg). Again. It is not full recovery, but it

definately

without doubt does something for me.

JR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I

> > > experience,

> > > > > which seems real from

> > > > > > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture

> Vine

> > > that

> > > > > became known through

> > > > > > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years

> > > ago,

> > > > > seems to stimulate LH

> > > > > > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the

> > > testis

> > > > > to produce testosterone.

> > > > > > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged

> plus

> > > men

> > > > > (like myself) with

> > > > > > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a

> bit. I

> > > > > started 1 week ago with 1

> > > > > > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go

> to

> > > > > triple, consult you bugger,

> > > > > > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday

> > > morning and

> > > > > today in awakening

> > > > > > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is

> much

> > > > > better than the Levitra, that I

> > > > > > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head

> and

> > > (numb)

> > > > > tumescence (although

> > > > > > this might still also have some effect, even after a

> week!).

> > > > > Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > > > > > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> > > > > testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > > > > > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd

> prefer

> > > this

> > > > > over testosterone

> > > > > > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well.

> Also

> > > I

> > > > > prefer herbal remedies, as

> > > > > > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects

> compared to

> > > > > single synthetic

> > > > > > components. I should not have any effect after such a

> short

> > > period,

> > > > > but then, I do, which

> > > > > > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo

> > > effect,

> > > > > because I did NOT expect it

> > > > > > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm

> > > this.

> > > > > > Tribulis terrestris

> > > > > > www.hwize.com

> > > > > > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > > > > > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Further reporting.

The effect is still a little bit there. Better than nothing. But is was only

considerable the

first week of the high dosage. Has gradually decreased day by day over the whole

priod of

two weeks that has passed now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Vornan, I want to immediately report some effect I

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > which seems real from

> > > > > > > taking Tribulus terrestris, just by itself, This Puncture

> > Vine

> > > > that

> > > > > > became known through

> > > > > > > this Bulgarian Olympic weight lifter, apparently, 20 years

> > > > ago,

> > > > > > seems to stimulate LH

> > > > > > > production, that in turn stimulates the Leydig cell of the

> > > > testis

> > > > > > to produce testosterone.

> > > > > > > Apparently the effects are expected more in middle-aged

> > plus

> > > > men

> > > > > > (like myself) with

> > > > > > > decreasing testosterone levels to bring them back up a

> > bit. I

> > > > > > started 1 week ago with 1

> > > > > > > dose, but increased it 3 days ago to double dosage (may go

> > to

> > > > > > triple, consult you bugger,

> > > > > > > sorry doctor, it says- Duh! I noted an effect yesterday

> > > > morning and

> > > > > > today in awakening

> > > > > > > libido, enough to become interested in ejaculation. It is

> > much

> > > > > > better than the Levitra, that I

> > > > > > > last took a week ago, which largely gives you a red head

> > and

> > > > (numb)

> > > > > > tumescence (although

> > > > > > > this might still also have some effect, even after a

> > week!).

> > > > > > Incidentally, it does fit with the

> > > > > > > reports of lower sperm production in PSSD, as this is also

> > > > > > testosterone regulated. I prefer a

> > > > > > > stimulation earlier in a bio-chemical chain, say I'd

> > prefer

> > > > this

> > > > > > over testosterone

> > > > > > > supplementation, as this may have other effects as well.

> > Also

> > > > I

> > > > > > prefer herbal remedies, as

> > > > > > > these may have a wider range of (buffered) effects

> > compared to

> > > > > > single synthetic

> > > > > > > components. I should not have any effect after such a

> > short

> > > > period,

> > > > > > but then, I do, which

> > > > > > > only indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a placebo

> > > > effect,

> > > > > > because I did NOT expect it

> > > > > > > so soon. I'll report in a few days whether I can confirm

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > Tribulis terrestris

> > > > > > > www.hwize.com

> > > > > > > Extract standardised to 40% saponins

> > > > > > > Each capsule contains 6.25 grams of fruit and root powder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>