Re: Here we go again...with dapoxetine hydrochloride!!!

[Guest guest]

People Im sorry, this may sound very crazy, paranoid

even but i have to say this. Out there in the

marketing world, were big money is involved and

opinions mean the bank or break of thousands of

companies bread and butter (billion dollar industry),

there is a little black world going on in the

advertising part of companies that you would never

have assumed to be there, but it is. What is it you

ask? Well basically, companies will hire out people to

go around on the internet and put out biased, even

blatantly false misinformation on the web in support

of the company. Even the companies own people who work

for them do this. Im not kidding you.In the

electronics world (bad example, but an example

nonetheless) Billions of dollars are at stake, just

like the pharmecutical companies.These companies will

have people go around spreading misinformation about

the others products, to sway the people into doubt in

whatever way possible. Its a new tatic in the

advertising world very much dealing in misinformation

called ''Fear, uncertiniaty, and doubt''YOu can find

information of this black tactic on wikipedia. Im

sorry but after reading this man's post, it struck me

very hard that I couldnt shake it. And well for a 40

billion dollar company (as this man here seems to like

to reitterate like a broken record) would it be to

much of a surprise that they would infilitrate our

little group here? Hmm?

--- Steve wrote:

> Hi Vornan:

>

> In some ways, I wished what you said were true and

> half of the people get

> PSSD after quiting SSRI. Maybe in that case we

> would have more exposure and

> people had already found a cure or found remedies

> that works. Like you

> said, these number seems so high (your estimate is

> around 20% or

> so) Searching over the Internet I have seen only

> couple of places, once here

> and one in Wikipedia, which I think the source is

> from here too. There are

> some paper out there, about PSSD, but like we all

> know, these are few and

> only few patient. Prozac has been on the market for

> over 20 years, and SSRI

> has a $40b market. I have talked to 10 Dr. in past

> year or so, and many on

> this group have talked to many Dr and the overall

> sense is no one had seen

> this problem. Couple of my Dr. had open mind and

> said their might be some

> link, and did not rule SSRI out, but they said they

> had not seen it.

>

> Please, don't get wrong here. I am not saying PSSD

> does not exist, I have

> it and feel it time to time. I could not possibly

> deny that. I am just

> trying to explain why I think we are small

> percentage.

>

> Another source I have looked into in the past, even

> before PPSD, is webMD.

> Most people I talked to believe it is a good source.

> They have articles,

> Drs to ask for advise, and patient to patient

> support group. If you search

> the whole site and message board, and look for SSRI

> and sexual dysfunction,

> you find few posts there and all are from me. How

> can I explain that, and

> at the same time believe 50% of people quitting SSRI

> have PSSD?

>

> I don't think people under report PSSD problem,

> because they are embarrassed

> or not an easy subject to report to their Dr. As

> you know, and some one

> recently said in one the of post, SSRI does not only

> have effect on sexual

> function. It does something else to the brain too.

> Many, including me

> where suffering from, foggy head, hangover, fatigue,

> insomnia few months

> after SSRI. (till I started the effexor). While I

> may understand people

> may not complain to their Dr. about ED, they are

> more likely to complain

> about fatigue and foggy head. How do we explain the

> low percentage of

> reporting.

>

> I could be wrong, but maybe, the key to our " cure "

> or remedy is the fact

> that we are small percentage. Maybe we can find,

> what is common between all

> of us and find an explanation. Maybe we all are

> poor metabolizer of these

> SSRI. Some with no D26 pathways, I believe I am one

> of them. Maybe

> quitting cold turkey is another factor, I am guilty

> of that one too.

>

> I do understand the frustration all of us go

> through. I work hard, I

> exercise every day, I eat healthy by many standards,

> I am not over weight,

> don't have blood pressure, don't smoke, don't have

> any other illness and all

> of these started by taking 5-10mg of Paxil, where

> most people could eat

> like candy. (Ok, I may be exaggerating here :-))

> On psychiatric I went

> through, although he was sympathetic to my problem

> and were not fond of

> SSRI, said 5mg of Paxil is considered at the no

> therapeutic dosage. He

> was surprised has how my body was reacting to Paxil.

> But at the same time,

> we should not force ourselves to believe this

> problem is more spread that it

> really is. I don't think it helps.

>

> Regards,

> Steve

>

>

> On 9/28/06, Vornan-19 (moderator)

> wrote:

> >

> > what makes you so sure that PSSD is a small

> percentage? Shipko

> > thinks that half of his patients get PSSD after

> taking SSRIs.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

> > -- In SSRIsex

> <SSRIsex%40yahoogroups.com>, " Steve "

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I could not agree with you more. And I think

> that is big hurdle

> > we have.

> > > If we were dealing with cocain, heroin, LSD,

> every one would see

> > the danger

> > > of messing around with neutransmitters. But the

> fact that many

> > peope get

> > > well, or benefit from the drug, and after

> stopping it the side

> > effect goes

> > > away within few months, make it tougher to prove

> and show there is

> > a

> > > problem.

> > >

> > > And on top of that this is $40b business. The

> business itself

> > will fuel it

> > > to not be questioned at any level. Drs, FDA,

> researcher,

> > companies, all

> > > benefits in some ways by not looking into small

> group where they

> > suffer from

> > > PSSD.

> > >

> > > ~steve

> > >

> > >

> > > On 9/27/06, lightsoutluther

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Steve -

> > > >

> > > > You bring up good points, however the big

> problem I have with

> > SSRIs

> > > > is that *potential* problems such as PSSD are

> not common

> > knowledge

> > > > with doctors and aren't mentioned at all with

> the literature that

> > > > comes with these drugs. Don't you think enough

> people are having

> > > > long-term, life altering problems from these

> drugs that it

> > should be

> > > > noted as a risk?

> > > >

> > > > Sure, it's ultimately up to the patient to

> decide whether they

> > want

> > > > to go down the SSRI road to treat problems

> such as PE and

> > > > depression, but they should know the facts

> first, shouldn't they?

> > > >

> > > > Yes, there are folks out there that have

> severe (or moderate)

> > > > problems and SSRIs give them relief. I

> understand that. But

> > should

> > > > it be a first line treatment or should other

> options be explored

> > > > first? SSRIs many times are needlessly

> prescribed, and send

> > people

> > > > in the wrong direction...

> > > >

> > > > Luther

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a mind problem (I am assuming there

> is no physiological

> > > > problem,

> > > > > prostate ...) and there is not ridicules to

> think a mind or

> > mood

> > > > altering

>

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[Guest guest]

Great Work Steve, your good. You even managed to throw

in there how the company is a 40$$!! billion dollar

industry, just like you have 5 times already. Sorry

people but read my previous post, this man is good,

fear uncertinaity and doubt is his game. Stop

spreading misinformation. Steve if you love them so

much, why are you here? Tell your company I have

discovered you, the gigs up, say hello to the

president of Eli Lilly. While your at it, tell him his

drugs have destroyed my reproductive system. Thanks

steve =).....

--- Steve wrote:

> Hi Vornan:

>

> I think you are jumping to a conclusion which is not

> true. If you, or

> anyone, feeling that my tone was deffending the

> SSRI, I am sorry about that

> and that was not my intention.

>

> I believe, SSRI are over prescribed.

> I believe, looking at depression as a sicknes like

> cold or blood pressure,

> have given Dr. false authority to treat true casues

> for depression.

> I believe 80~90% of AD prescription are written by

> Internal Drs who spend

> only 5 min with the patient.

> I believe, the market is so huge, $40b a year, which

> create a huge momemtum

> for the drug to to be used widely.

> I believe, SSRI cuase sexual dysfunction while

> taking the drug. This number

> is on the high side, 80%. Most Dr. I talked to

> confirm that.

> I believe, most people have no problem quitting SSRI

> and don't have PSSD and

> we are in minority. Most people may go through

> withdraw period, from a

> couple of weeks to a month or two. Not many

> reported PSSD or other

> persistant side effect after quitting.

> I believe, when people use SSRI, for the sake of

> PSSD or other problem while

> being on the drug, they should be on the lowest

> dosage possible, or perhaps

> a weeker SSRI might be better choice (this is how

> this post started). This

> is specially true when the SSRI is used for its

> off-lable effect.

>

> I hope above explains where I am comming from.

>

> By way, I am far from being cured, like many people

> here I go up and down.

> I have good days and bad days. For you information,

> this is my bad

> week. :-(

>

> -Steve

>

>

> On 9/28/06, Vornan-19 (moderator)

> wrote:

> >

> > Why are you defending SSRIs? I don't understand

> where you're coming

> > from. I can only assume that it's becasue you got

> better. If your

> > life was ruined like some people have confided to

> me off-list, you

> > would be singuing a different tune. I guarantee

> it.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

> >

> > > > > >

>

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[Guest guest]

:

Just for the record. I do not work for any drug company and don't own any stock of them either. I resent how you have concluded my post as pro SSRI, after my explaination. I wish, if I were wrong in any part of my logic, you would point me to that, rather going after my character and accuse me of working for the big Pharma. Still, I don't know which part of my post you disagree with.

I will not responde to your post in the future if you continue to accusing me of being somebody I am not.

-Steve

Great Work Steve, your good. You even managed to throwin there how the company is a 40$$!! billion dollarindustry, just like you have 5 times already. Sorrypeople but read my previous post, this man is good,

fear uncertinaity and doubt is his game. Stopspreading misinformation. Steve if you love them somuch, why are you here? Tell your company I havediscovered you, the gigs up, say hello to thepresident of Eli Lilly. While your at it, tell him his

drugs have destroyed my reproductive system. Thankssteve =).....--- Steve <

stevejohn1965@...> wrote:

> Hi Vornan:> > I think you are jumping to a conclusion which is not> true. If you, or> anyone, feeling that my tone was deffending the> SSRI, I am sorry about that

> and that was not my intention.> > I believe, SSRI are over prescribed.> I believe, looking at depression as a sicknes like> cold or blood pressure,> have given Dr. false authority to treat true casues

> for depression.> I believe 80~90% of AD prescription are written by> Internal Drs who spend> only 5 min with the patient.> I believe, the market is so huge, $40b a year, which> create a huge momemtum

> for the drug to to be used widely.> I believe, SSRI cuase sexual dysfunction while> taking the drug. This number> is on the high side, 80%. Most Dr. I talked to> confirm that.> I believe, most people have no problem quitting SSRI

> and don't have PSSD and> we are in minority. Most people may go through> withdraw period, from a> couple of weeks to a month or two. Not many> reported PSSD or other> persistant side effect after quitting.

> I believe, when people use SSRI, for the sake of> PSSD or other problem while> being on the drug, they should be on the lowest> dosage possible, or perhaps> a weeker SSRI might be better choice (this is how

> this post started). This> is specially true when the SSRI is used for its> off-lable effect.> > I hope above explains where I am comming from.> > By way, I am far from being cured, like many people

> here I go up and down.> I have good days and bad days. For you information,> this is my bad> week. :-(> > -Steve> > > On 9/28/06, Vornan-19 (moderator)> <

ssri.side.effects@...> wrote:> >> > Why are you defending SSRIs? I don't understand

> where you're coming> > from. I can only assume that it's becasue you got> better. If your> > life was ruined like some people have confided to> me off-list, you> > would be singuing a different tune. I guarantee

> it.> >> > Vornan> >> > > > > > > >> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Vornan:

I never said anything about this group except it had help me in the past and got many good information from it. That does not mean, I have to always praise any post and opinion on this board. People are different and may have different opinion on different issue. Maybe I don't know all the fact and I am wrong, but I think in the past I have respected every one in my post, unfortunately I can not say that about . The fact that he is dis-agrees with me, which I don't know which part, does not give him the right to accuse me of being with Big Pharma !! I think as a moderator, you could have point to him, this kind of post did not belong here. I am disappointed to read, you actually gave him the right to.

Still, not sure on what we disagree on. One point we disagree on might be the percentage of PSSD, you believe it is more like 25~50%, and I think it has to be a lot lower than that? Another point is, a weak SSRI might give a better choice to the Dr. and patients, which you disagree. Am I missing anything else?

I don't think any of above deserve the time and focus we are arguing about. If I am wrong on percentage, I think that would be good for the group, since more people will join and we have bigger voice and data. I think every one will make their choice on SSRI, (still soem of us in this group are taking SSRI).

Regards,

-Steve

Steve,I think I partly understand what you're saying. But still you deeply disappoint me. There are many, many reasons why PSSD is undereported: some people get only minor symptoms so don't report it, and some attribute it to other causes like aging or psychological issues. Others report it to their doctor, but are ignored or dismissed as lunatics. Others don't care or, believe it or not, actually welcome the abolition of their sexuality. And some people probably kill themselves because of it.You took paxil for two weeks and it took away two years of your life and almost destroyed you. What would you have done if this group did not exist?If I didn't know you and knew that you had been on this board for over a year, I would probably come to the same conclusion as - that you are working for the drug company propaganda machine.Vornan-- In

SSRIsex , " Steve " wrote:>

> Hi Vornan:> > I think you are jumping to a conclusion which is not true. If you, or> anyone, feeling that my tone was deffending the SSRI, I am sorry about that> and that was not my intention.> > I believe, SSRI are over prescribed.> I believe, looking at depression as a sicknes like cold or blood pressure,> have given Dr. false authority to treat true casues for depression.

> I believe 80~90% of AD prescription are written by Internal Drs who spend> only 5 min with the patient.> I believe, the market is so huge, $40b a year, which create a huge momemtum> for the drug to to be used widely.

> I believe, SSRI cuase sexual dysfunction while taking the drug. This number> is on the high side, 80%. Most Dr. I talked to confirm that.> I believe, most people have no problem quitting SSRI and don't have PSSD and> we are in minority. Most people may go through withdraw period, from a> couple of weeks to a month or two. Not many reported PSSD or other> persistant side effect after quitting.

> I believe, when people use SSRI, for the sake of PSSD or other problem while> being on the drug, they should be on the lowest dosage possible, or perhaps> a weeker SSRI might be better choice (this is how this post started). This> is specially true when the SSRI is used for its off-lable effect.> > I hope above explains where I am comming from.> > By way, I am far from being cured, like many people here I go up and down.> I have good days and bad days. For you information, this is my bad> week. :-(> > -Steve> > > On 9/28/06, Vornan-19 (moderator) <

ssri.side.effects@...> wrote:> >> > Why are you defending SSRIs? I don't understand where you're coming> > from. I can only assume that it's becasue you got better. If your> > life was ruined like some people have confided to me off-list, you> > would be singuing a different tune. I guarantee it.> >> > Vornan> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRIAL FINDS DRUG TO BE EFFECTIVE - A> > closely> > > > > > followed> > > > > > > > > > > > > prototype drug

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for tackling premature ejaculation was> > found> > > > to be> > > > > > > > safe and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > effective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a large-scale trial among American men,> > > > > > > > investigators

> > > > > > > > > > > report> > > > > > > > > > > > > in The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lancet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The drug, dapoxetine hydrochloride, will> > be the> > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > pharmeceutical

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> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > US> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food and Drog Administration and other

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else here scared? I'm a Canadian and> > > > have no> > > > > > > > say on> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the border, but I recommend further> > > > > > investigation

> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible road> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks to having this drug hit the market.> > > > DRUGS> > > > > > ARE> > > > > > > > NOT> > > > > > > > > > THE> > > > > > > > > > > > > ANSWER!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are all here because they are the> > problem!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards.

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[Guest guest]

I think there are a lot of people out there that have PSSD, but are

constantly medicated with SSRIs, SNRIs, etc. so they (and their

doctors) attribute this to the drugs. But I'll bet if everyone were

to withdraw from their antidepressants, there would be quite a few

people with our condition.

It's too bad that many folks out there get caught in the vicious

circle of antidepressant (mainly SSRIs and SNRIs) " treatment " , one

drug after another, making things worse over time.

Luther

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRIAL FINDS DRUG TO BE EFFECTIVE -

A

> > > > closely

> > > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prototype drug

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for tackling premature ejaculation

was

> > > > found

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > safe and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a large-scale trial among

American

> > men,

> > > > > > > > > > investigators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > report

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lancet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The drug, dapoxetine hydrochloride,

> > will

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pharmeceutical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > treatment specifically intended for

> > > > premature

> > > > > > > > > > ejaculation

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > US

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food and Drog Administration and

other

> > > > > > licensors

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approval.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The assessors describe dapoxetine

> > as " an

> > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > generally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-tolerated treatment " that

improved

> > > > time to

> > > > > > > > > > ejaculation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " significantly. " - AFP

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else here scared? I'm a

> > Canadian and

> > > > > > have no

> > > > > > > > > > say on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the border, but I recommend

further

> > > > > > > > investigation

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible road

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks to having this drug hit the

> > market.

> > > > > > DRUGS

> > > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > THE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANSWER!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are all here because they are

the

> > > > problem!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards.

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[Guest guest]

One thing that got me irritated before was that you thought it was

perfectly OK to market an SSRI for premature ejaculation. I think

that is fundamentally wrong for several reasons.

You are, of course, perfectly free to continue to hold this point of

view and post it to the board. I try to keep it as open as

possible. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Likewise I did

not block 's post because it seems like he honestly believed

you might be working for Big Pharma. Of course I know that you're

not, but I thought you might want to see what kind of impression you

give to new members.

I understand that you're trying to be as objective as possible about

this whole thing, but I just don't agree with some of the things you

are saying. It's not personal - I just don't agree.

Vornan

-- In SSRIsex , " Steve "

wrote:

>

> Hi Vornan:

>

> I never said anything about this group except it had help me in

the past and

> got many good information from it. That does not mean, I have to

always

> praise any post and opinion on this board. People are different

and may

> have different opinion on different issue. Maybe I don't know all

the fact

> and I am wrong, but I think in the past I have respected every one

in my

> post, unfortunately I can not say that about . The fact

that he is

> dis-agrees with me, which I don't know which part, does not give

him the

> right to accuse me of being with Big Pharma !! I think as a

moderator, you

> could have point to him, this kind of post did not belong here. I

am

> disappointed to read, you actually gave him the right to.

>

> Still, not sure on what we disagree on. One point we disagree on

might be

> the percentage of PSSD, you believe it is more like 25~50%, and I

think it

> has to be a lot lower than that? Another point is, a weak SSRI

might give a

> better choice to the Dr. and patients, which you disagree. Am I

missing

> anything else?

>

> I don't think any of above deserve the time and focus we are

arguing about.

> If I am wrong on percentage, I think that would be good for the

group, since

> more people will join and we have bigger voice and data. I think

every one

> will make their choice on SSRI, (still soem of us in this group

are taking

> SSRI).

>

> Regards,

> -Steve

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Steve,

> >

> > I think I partly understand what you're saying. But still you

deeply

> > disappoint me.

> >

> > There are many, many reasons why PSSD is undereported: some

people

> > get only minor symptoms so don't report it, and some attribute

it to

> > other causes like aging or psychological issues. Others report it

> > to their doctor, but are ignored or dismissed as lunatics. Others

> > don't care or, believe it or not, actually welcome the abolition

of

> > their sexuality. And some people probably kill themselves

because of

> > it.

> >

> > You took paxil for two weeks and it took away two years of your

life

> > and almost destroyed you. What would you have done if this group

> > did not exist?

> >

> > If I didn't know you and knew that you had been on this board for

> > over a year, I would probably come to the same conclusion as

> > - that you are working for the drug company propaganda

> > machine.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

> > -- In SSRIsex <SSRIsex%

40yahoogroups.com>, " Steve "

> > <stevejohn1965@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Vornan:

> > >

> > > I think you are jumping to a conclusion which is not true. If

> > you, or

> > > anyone, feeling that my tone was deffending the SSRI, I am

sorry

> > about that

> > > and that was not my intention.

> > >

> > > I believe, SSRI are over prescribed.

> > > I believe, looking at depression as a sicknes like cold or

blood

> > pressure,

> > > have given Dr. false authority to treat true casues for

depression.

> > > I believe 80~90% of AD prescription are written by Internal Drs

> > who spend

> > > only 5 min with the patient.

> > > I believe, the market is so huge, $40b a year, which create a

huge

> > momemtum

> > > for the drug to to be used widely.

> > > I believe, SSRI cuase sexual dysfunction while taking the drug.

> > This number

> > > is on the high side, 80%. Most Dr. I talked to confirm that.

> > > I believe, most people have no problem quitting SSRI and don't

> > have PSSD and

> > > we are in minority. Most people may go through withdraw period,

> > from a

> > > couple of weeks to a month or two. Not many reported PSSD or

other

> > > persistant side effect after quitting.

> > > I believe, when people use SSRI, for the sake of PSSD or other

> > problem while

> > > being on the drug, they should be on the lowest dosage

possible,

> > or perhaps

> > > a weeker SSRI might be better choice (this is how this post

> > started). This

> > > is specially true when the SSRI is used for its off-lable

effect.

> > >

> > > I hope above explains where I am comming from.

> > >

> > > By way, I am far from being cured, like many people here I go

up

> > and down.

> > > I have good days and bad days. For you information, this is my

bad

> > > week. :-(

> > >

> > > -Steve

> > >

> > >

> > > On 9/28/06, Vornan-19 (moderator) <ssri.side.effects@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Why are you defending SSRIs? I don't understand where you're

> > coming

> > > > from. I can only assume that it's becasue you got better. If

your

> > > > life was ruined like some people have confided to me off-

list,

> > you

> > > > would be singuing a different tune. I guarantee it.

> > > >

> > > > Vornan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TRIAL FINDS DRUG TO BE EFFECTIVE -

A

> > > > closely

> > > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prototype drug

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for tackling premature ejaculation

was

> > > > found

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > safe and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a large-scale trial among

American

> > men,

> > > > > > > > > > investigators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > report

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lancet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The drug, dapoxetine hydrochloride,

> > will

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pharmeceutical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > treatment specifically intended for

> > > > premature

> > > > > > > > > > ejaculation

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > US

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food and Drog Administration and

other

> > > > > > licensors

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approval.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The assessors describe dapoxetine

> > as " an

> > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > generally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well-tolerated treatment " that

improved

> > > > time to

> > > > > > > > > > ejaculation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " significantly. " - AFP

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else here scared? I'm a

> > Canadian and

> > > > > > have no

> > > > > > > > > > say on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the border, but I recommend

further

> > > > > > > > investigation

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible road

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks to having this drug hit the

> > market.

> > > > > > DRUGS

> > > > > > > > ARE

> > > > > > > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > THE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANSWER!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are all here because they are

the

> > > > problem!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How many people have you asked all together? Including yourself you

say you know one other person. So that's 2 out of how many? If it's

2 out of 10, that's already 20%. I know 3 people perosnally with PSSD

out of about 10 or so that I've asked about it, so that's 30%.

also mentioned that he knows someone personally.

Vornan

> Personally: Of the handful of people who I know who

> have taken SSRI's, everyone but me and one other

> friend bounced right back once they stopped. That

> one other friend, as Vornan said, experienced a MUCH

> milder form of PSSD along with certain alterations in

> her brain that she decided she actually liked. So

> she never discussed it with any doctor.

[Guest guest]

It's out of ten people. And I am certainly willing to

believe the percentage is higher than I first

thought...but past a certain percentage just doesn't

make rational sense as to how SSRI's could be on the

market for almost 20 years without anybody hearing

about it - at least through word of mouth.

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

> How many people have you asked all together?

> Including yourself you

> say you know one other person. So that's 2 out of

> how many? If it's

> 2 out of 10, that's already 20%. I know 3 people

> perosnally with PSSD

> out of about 10 or so that I've asked about it, so

> that's 30%.

> also mentioned that he knows someone personally.

>

> Vornan

>

> > Personally: Of the handful of people who I know

> who

> > have taken SSRI's, everyone but me and one other

> > friend bounced right back once they stopped.

> That

> > one other friend, as Vornan said, experienced a

> MUCH

> > milder form of PSSD along with certain alterations

> in

> > her brain that she decided she actually liked.

> So

> > she never discussed it with any doctor.

>

>

>

>

>

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