Re: The Uncharted Territory of Autism

[Guest guest]

@ Dad4Kids - Your first assumption is incorrect, I'm referring to any number of

over-priced, over-hyped treatments and programs. Whether it's chelation or HBOT,

clay baths or secretin, OSR-1 or ABA, any of those quackamamie treatments that

have not one iota of scientific backing.

Your second assumption is quite correct. I'm not poisoned, I'm not infected, my

brain isn't inflamed, and there's nothing the medical profession can do for me,

except maybe to butt out, and leave me to be me. There are things that could

have been done that would have alleviated the difficulties I have had, like

understanding and acceptance from parents, family, and teachers, but it's too

late for that for me.

>In EOHarm , Dad Fourkids wrote:

> But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only one side of his

missive?

> I assume that you are specifically referencing the " autism-vaccine " issue.

You are correct, that people will tend to stay on the path that the believe when

they start.

> I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with your references

to " charlatans selling hope " . I will say that what you described perfectly fits

the behaviors of those in positions of Public Health Authority, as much as those

parents seeking to have aomething/anything to blame.

> Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.

> Dad Fourkids

[Guest guest]

At 10:46 AM 2/25/2010, Clay wrote:

>@ Dad4Kids - Your first assumption is incorrect, I'm referring to

>any number of over-priced, over-hyped treatments and programs.

>Whether it's chelation or HBOT, clay baths or secretin, OSR-1 or

>ABA, any of those quackamamie treatments that have not one iota of

>scientific backing.

Do you mean to say there are no studies suggesting any medical

problems associated with autism?

>I'm not poisoned, I'm not infected, my brain isn't inflamed

Could be though that my son's brain was inflamed. He was diagnosed

with cerebral palsy at 15 mos, autism a couple years later and then

the cp diagnosis was pretty much removed. But an MRI showed that his

cerebral vesicles were larger than normal. The neurologist explained

that was why he had trouble learning to walk back then.

Maybe different peeps sharing a diagnosis on the autism spectrum have

different medical profiles. Or maybe my son is special since he got

that cerebral palsy diagnosis originally.

Marty

[Guest guest]

Re: The Uncharted Territory of Autism

Posted by: " Clay " mooncatadams@... clay_adams

Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:31 am (PST)

@ Dad4Kids - Your first assumption is incorrect, I'm referring to any number of

over-priced, over-hyped treatments and programs. Whether it's chelation or HBOT,

clay baths or secretin, OSR-1 or ABA, any of those quackamamie treatments that

have not one iota of scientific backing.

Actually, you are incorrect. Chelation has a long standing track record for

both safety and efficacy in the reduction of body burdens of heavy metals. It

is both FDA approved and available through typical medical channels, presuming

the patient has had exposure to toxic metals.

And ABA-DTT has a huge body of research demonstrating its effectiveness at

remediating some cases of full-blown autism. If you have credible evidence that

ABA is somehow all a sham you need to write up your papers and submit them for

peer review.

Your second assumption is quite correct. I'm not poisoned, I'm not infected, my

brain isn't inflamed, and there's nothing the medical profession can do for me,

except maybe to butt out, and leave me to be me. There are things that could

have been done that would have alleviated the difficulties I have had, like

understanding and acceptance from parents, family, and teachers, but it's too

late for that for me.

And your autism is the same as my boy's? It is the same as ALL the cases of

autism that have occured since the spike in incidence which occured sometime in

the late 80's? That is a pretty bold statement considering all the people who

have made the study of autism a career will agree that it is an extremely

heterogenus condition.

I am glad that you are both comfortable with your own state of being and that

you have enough cognitive awareness that you can put forth an opinion. I only

wish my son had the same. And understanding and acceptance of him by his mother

and myself was never an issue. He has been and will remain the center of our

universe and everything we do takes into consideration his extraordinary needs.

However, he remains extremely low-functioning in most regards, a danger to

himself, and subject to very complex physiological problems which cause him both

pain and SIB and which so far no one in the mainstream medical field wishes to

address.

I haven't looked back at your site, but I do commend you for being willing to

air views other than your own. That is rare on both sides of our common debate.

[Guest guest]

Chelation has taken my child from AUTISTIC - which you clearly are NOT, to now

having an Asperger diagnosis. He can now function and perhaps hold one of the

jobs you've had in your life. When he regressed at age 4, he lost his potty

training and speech. I assume you needed both of those to have led the very

interesting and capable life you've lived.

Chelation is an accepted medical procedure for metal poisoning. My child was

tested and was toxic in mercury and aluminum. He regressed after a mercury laden

flu shot, interestingly enough, and he was not displaying ANY ASD traits prior

to that. He was enrolled in regular public school and besides a dog allergy was

fine. We have the school and medical records to prove this.

Chelation is NOT expensive. I buy a bottle of ALA for $7 every few months.

I'm glad you are living a great life. I wish you had received understanding and

acceptance for who are you.

I want my child to have the chance to be that healthy. Your ASD and many of

today's kids autism are not the same thing.

>

> > But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only one side of

his missive?

>

> > I assume that you are specifically referencing the " autism-vaccine " issue.

You are correct, that people will tend to stay on the path that the believe when

they start.

>

> > I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with your

references to " charlatans selling hope " . I will say that what you described

perfectly fits the behaviors of those in positions of Public Health Authority,

as much as those parents seeking to have aomething/anything to blame.

>

> > Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.

>

> > Dad Fourkids

>

[Guest guest]

Clay was removed by Lenny a few days ago, thank goodness

Sheri

At 08:55 AM 2/25/2010, you wrote:

>Chelation has taken my child from AUTISTIC - which you clearly are

>NOT, to now having an Asperger diagnosis. He can now function and

>perhaps hold one of the jobs you've had in your life. When he

>regressed at age 4, he lost his potty training and speech. I assume

>you needed both of those to have led the very interesting and

>capable life you've lived.

>

>Chelation is an accepted medical procedure for metal poisoning. My

>child was tested and was toxic in mercury and aluminum. He regressed

>after a mercury laden flu shot, interestingly enough, and he was not

>displaying ANY ASD traits prior to that. He was enrolled in regular

>public school and besides a dog allergy was fine. We have the school

>and medical records to prove this.

>

>Chelation is NOT expensive. I buy a bottle of ALA for $7 every few months.

>

>I'm glad you are living a great life. I wish you had received

>understanding and acceptance for who are you.

>

>I want my child to have the chance to be that healthy. Your ASD and

>many of today's kids autism are not the same thing.

>

>

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> >

> > > But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only

> one side of his missive?

> >

> > > I assume that you are specifically referencing the

> " autism-vaccine " issue. You are correct, that people will tend to

> stay on the path that the believe when they start.

> >

> > > I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with

> your references to " charlatans selling hope " . I will say that what

> you described perfectly fits the behaviors of those in positions of

> Public Health Authority, as much as those parents seeking to have

> aomething/anything to blame.

> >

> > > Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.

> >

> > > Dad Fourkids

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I do not think that stifling debate is something to be cheered. After all,

isn't that one of our chief complaints with the medical heirarchy, that they

refuse to discuss the issues and simply use their resources to silence the

opposition by whatever means they can?

Science questions are built and resolved by the free discussion of ideas,

regardless of what we may WISH to be true. And if someone is willing to debate

with us without resorting to slanderous personal attacks, it should be

encouraged. After all, the only thing that discourse can do is either

strengthen our position as we knock the legs out of theirs or cause us to

re-examine our own position if it is found to be in error.

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> > > > But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only

> > one side of his missive?

> > >

> > > > I assume that you are specifically referencing the

> > " autism-vaccine " issue. You are correct, that people will tend to

> > stay on the path that the believe when they start.

> > >

> > > > I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with

> > your references to " charlatans selling hope " . I will say that what

> > you described perfectly fits the behaviors of those in positions of

> > Public Health Authority, as much as those parents seeking to have

> > aomething/anything to blame.

> > >

> > > > Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.

> > >

> > > > Dad Fourkids

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

At 02:31 PM 2/25/2010, you wrote:

>I do not think that stifling debate is something to be

>cheered. After all, isn't that one of our chief complaints with the

>medical heirarchy, that they refuse to discuss the issues and simply

>use their resources to silence the opposition by whatever means they can?

>

>Science questions are built and resolved by the free discussion of

>ideas, regardless of what we may WISH to be true. And if someone is

>willing to debate with us without resorting to slanderous personal

>attacks, it should be encouraged. After all, the only thing that

>discourse can do is either strengthen our position as we knock the

>legs out of theirs or cause us to re-examine our own position if it

>is found to be in error.

There can be free discussion in many places but I think these lists

do not need such a thing - they are for support and information to

help heal your children.

But open to what others think............I've seen lists that allow

this to happen and soon it is not a pleasant place to be and

certainly not safe as the emails you post end up all over in other places.

What do others think?

Sheri

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> > > >

> > > > > But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only

> > > one side of his missive?

> > > >

> > > > > I assume that you are specifically referencing the

> > > " autism-vaccine " issue. You are correct, that people will tend to

> > > stay on the path that the believe when they start.

> > > >

> > > > > I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with

> > > your references to " charlatans selling hope " . I will say that what

> > > you described perfectly fits the behaviors of those in positions of

> > > Public Health Authority, as much as those parents seeking to have

> > > aomething/anything to blame.

> > > >

> > > > > Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.

> > > >

> > > > > Dad Fourkids

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Please get rid of the Lorinda Grauel spammer for starters.

Thanks, and congratulations on your new position with this list! ;-)

Aasa>I do not think that stifling debate is something to be >cheered. After all, isn't that one of our chief complaints with the >medical heirarchy, that they refuse to discuss the issues and simply >use their resources to silence the opposition by whatever means they can?>>Science questions are built and resolved by the free discussion of >ideas, regardless of what we may WISH to be true. And if someone is >willing to debate with us without resorting to slanderous personal >attacks, it should be encouraged. After all, the only thing that >discourse can do is either strengthen our position as we knock the >legs out of theirs or cause us to re-examine our own position if it >is found to be in error.There can be free discussion in many places but I think these lists do not need such a thing - they are for support and information

to help heal your children.But open to what others think....... .....I've seen lists that allow this to happen and soon it is not a pleasant place to be and certainly not safe as the emails you post end up all over in other places.What do others think?Sheri>> > > >> > > > > But will he post my comment, or will he chose to present only> > > one side of his missive?> > > >> > > > > I assume that

you are specifically referencing the> > > "autism-vaccine" issue. You are correct, that people will tend to> > > stay on the path that the believe when they start.> > > >> > > > > I also assume that you do not believe in this connection, with> > > your references to "charlatans selling hope". I will say that what> > > you described perfectly fits the behaviors of those in positions of> > > Public Health Authority, as much as those parents seeking to have> > > aomething/anything to blame.> > > >> > > > > Not meaning to enter into any slugfest over the issue. Just saying.> > > >> > > > > Dad Fourkids> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >----------- --------- --------- -------> > >>

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