Re: Autism Not Tied to Pediatric Enterocolitis: Study

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BallocksKP Stoller, MD, FACHMPresident, International Hyperbaric Medical AssocMedical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexicowww.hbotnm.com---------- Original Message ----------To: EoHarm Subject: Autism Not Tied to Pediatric Enterocolitis: StudyDate: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:19:22 -0700

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 22 - Despite some reports to the contrary, children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) do not have bowel symptoms consistent with underlying gastrointestinal pathology, UK researchers report in the July issue of the Archives of Disease in Childhood."There is no evidence," senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond told Reuters Health, "that children with ASD have an enterocolitis associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of population."Dr. Emond of the Centre for Child and Adolescent Health, Bristol, and colleagues came to this conclusion after studying data from a cohort study of health and development in children.http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/706315

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http://www.cpag.org.nz/news/cpag-news/nr1225865985.pdf

In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:24:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

vaccinedangers@... writes:

Deny the evidence

Sheri

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 22 - Despite some reports to the

contrary, children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) do not have

bowel symptoms consistent with underlying gastrointestinal pathology, UK

researchers report in the July issue of the Archives of Disease in

Childhood.

" There is no evidence, " senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond

told Reuters Health, " that children with ASD have an enterocolitis

associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young

children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of

population. "

Dr. Emond of the Centre for Child and Adolescent Health, Bristol, and

colleagues came to this conclusion after studying data from a cohort

study of health and development in children.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/706315

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"There is no evidence," senior investigator Dr. Alan

Emond told

Reuters Health, "that children with ASD have an enterocolitis

associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of

young

children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of

population."

I have not read the paper, nor will I bother, but anyone personally

familiar with the autistic population knows the only way this

conclusion could be reached is from outright statistical manipulation

or, quite likely the case here, a highly cherry picked ASD population (

1 in 165 is the implied prevalence ) to compare against the norms.

Its amazing how the scientific standard has slipped to the point that

epidemiological masturbation can be referred to as 'evidence.'

--Will

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Please check out Stone's posting (dated 10/08/2008) about Dr. Alan Emond. Apparently, Dr. Emond advises the industry re vaccination policy.

http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3041---

Subject: Re: Autism Not Tied to Pediatric Enterocolitis: StudyTo: EoHarm Received: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 10:52 PM

the genius who wrote ithttp://www.cpag. org.nz/news/ cpag-news/ nr1225865985. pdf In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:24:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vaccinedangers@ googlemail. com writes:

Deny the evidence

Sheri

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 22 - Despite some reports to the contrary, children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) do not have bowel symptoms consistent with underlying gastrointestinal pathology, UK researchers report in the July issue of the Archives of Disease in Childhood.

"There is no evidence," senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond told Reuters Health, "that children with ASD have an enterocolitis associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of population."

Dr. Emond of the Centre for Child and Adolescent Health, Bristol, and colleagues came to this conclusion after studying data from a cohort study of health and development in children.

http://www.medscape .com/viewarticle /706315

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

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Actually, that is precisely why it would be important to read the actual study, to find out how/if it was manipulated.

http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_news_article.jsp?id=1142641

Emond does not disagree that there are older children with ASD who have gut problems, according to the link above, strangely enough.

Subject: Re: Autism Not Tied to Pediatric Enterocolitis: StudyTo: EOHarm Received: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:49 PM

"There is no evidence," senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond told Reuters Health, "that children with ASD have an enterocolitis associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of population."I have not read the paper, nor will I bother, but anyone personally familiar with the autistic population knows the only way this conclusion could be reached is from outright statistical manipulation or, quite likely the case here, a highly cherry picked ASD population ( 1 in 165 is the implied prevalence ) to compare against the norms.Its amazing how the scientific standard has slipped to the point that epidemiological masturbation can be referred to as 'evidence.'--Will

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Is this the Emond study in question? I am sorry to have found it on (not so) Deer's site after a quick Google search:

http://briandeer.com/solved/stools-archives.pdf

Why are they looking for enterocolitis in stools? Shouldn't that be looked for by way of gut biopsies? Is that not like looking for ethyl mercury in the blood, when you know or should know that that type of mercury wil not stay there (i.e., in the blood) for long?

How can they compare a supposed control group of over 12,000 individuals to cerca 80 children? Is it not possible that there may be a good number of "undiagnosed" ASD individuals in the control group? I would think there certainly could be a good number of yet undiagnosed ASD afflicted children in the supposed control group, as there are in the general population. That would affect the results to some degree.

I am not a scientist, so I hope that someone with more scientific knowledge than I have, has the time to take a good look at this study and provide us with a critique or so-called "peer review", to help enlighten us.

Thanks in advance,

Aasa

Subject: Re: Autism Not Tied to Pediatric Enterocolitis: StudyTo: EOHarm Received: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:49 PM

"There is no evidence," senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond told Reuters Health, "that children with ASD have an enterocolitis associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of population."I have not read the paper, nor will I bother, but anyone personally familiar with the autistic population knows the only way this conclusion could be reached is from outright statistical manipulation or, quite likely the case here, a highly cherry picked ASD population ( 1 in 165 is the implied prevalence ) to compare against the norms.Its amazing how the scientific standard has slipped to the point that epidemiological masturbation can be referred to as 'evidence.'--Will

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I find it interesting that the study actually supports bowel symptoms in children with ASD versus what the authors conclude. This Edmond person states that "young children with autism" do not show any differences in bowel habits. But then he also states that children at the age of 30 months do begin to show an increase in frequency in bowel movements.

Then it goes on to say:

" Nevertheless, Emond noted that some older children with autistic spectrum disorders do have bowel symptoms. "It is not clear whether these symptoms are due to dietary changes or abnormalities in intestinal function associated with autism. Further research is needed.""

And then the study samples were 78 children with ASD and 12,906 children without ASD. They don't say how many children as young as 30 months began to show an increase in frequency of bowel movements. And they don't say how many older children had GI symptoms.

Bottom line is they are still finding children with ASD and GI symptoms...nol matter how they want to spin it.

The full article is on today's Schafer Autism Report.

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If they don't want to see something, they just don't look. If they don't want to

know the rates, they don't count them. Weak, corrupt, greedy researchers. Sigh.

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> I find it interesting that the study actually supports bowel symptoms in

children with ASD versus what the authors conclude. This Edmond person states

that " young children with autism " do not show any differences in bowel habits.

But then he also states that children at the age of 30 months do begin to show

an increase in frequency in bowel movements.

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> Then it goes on to say:

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> " Nevertheless, Emond noted that some older children with autistic spectrum

disorders do have bowel symptoms. " It is not clear whether these symptoms are

due to dietary changes or abnormalities in intestinal function associated with

autism. Further research is needed. " "

>

>

> And then the study samples were 78 children with ASD and 12,906 children

without ASD. They don't say how many children as young as 30 months began to

show an increase in frequency of bowel movements. And they don't say how many

older children had GI symptoms.

>

>

> Bottom line is they are still finding children with ASD and GI symptoms...nol

matter how they want to spin it.

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> The full article is on today's Schafer Autism Report.

>

> Theresa C

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The one report that I read said that the researchers looked at the medical

records of the kids - that was the " research. " Knowing that most of our doctors

(especially pediatricians) don't take our claims seriously and likely don't

document our concerns.

Other issue is that many of us go to speicalists without referrals from our

basic ped. (I know I do). I'm sure if you look at my son's records from his

ped. it looks like he has no issues either (but he does - mainly helped through

the diet).

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> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 22 - Despite some reports to the

> contrary, children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) do not have

> bowel symptoms consistent with underlying gastrointestinal pathology,

> UK researchers report in the July issue of the Archives of Disease in

> Childhood.

>

> " There is no evidence, " senior investigator Dr. Alan Emond told

> Reuters Health, " that children with ASD have an enterocolitis

> associated with onset of autistic symptoms. The bowel habits of young

> children with ASD, in general, are no different from the rest of population. "

>

> Dr. Emond of the Centre for Child and Adolescent Health, Bristol, and

> colleagues came to this conclusion after studying data from a cohort

> study of health and development in children.

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>

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