Re: vent

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Laurie ~ It's hard - hang in there. We've had experiences just like you've

described and it is exhausting. It's gotten a little better for us lately, but

we still have those moments. hugs.

Becky

nolan wrote:

Last nite when I got Mic off the bus he ran to the backyard saw the kids on

the big trampoline next door and climbed the ladder and got in it before I could

get near him. Its screened in but he loves it. The kids on it were very nice and

we played with Mic on it alittle. I had to get in and get him out.One little

girl knew alittle sign language she saw me signing to Mic and she showed me she

could sign some.The other little boys stayed away and stared at us.Anyway after

I got him down he ran to the next neighbors and went down their slide swang and

played with some of the kids toys. Nobody was home there. I headed him back in

the right direction and flop and stood him up and walked a few feet and flop. I

cant carry him. He went back down all the slides and all of his own he has 4 and

finally I grabbed him by the back of his shirt and marched him in the house.He

flopped several times and it took me abouit 45 minutes to get him in the house.I

was exhausted by the time I got

him in here.I need to gain some control over him and have no idea what to do. We

were safe last nite but what if we were someplace else. FRUSTRATED Laurie

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 7:13:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mick8_7@... writes:

We were safe last nite but what if we were someplace else. FRUSTRATED Laurie

Laurie,

Maddie's IEP says she is to be physically taken to our door. When

Tomko, her driver, drops her off, he literally walks her into my kitchen and

hands her hand to me. Otherwise, she could be in the street before we knew

it.

Donna

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The child I have flops down in the hallway. It can take me anywhere from 10-20

minutes just to make it to the room.He's getting heavier and it is tiring

picking him up while trying not to get hit. On top of that he thinks it's

hilarious.I don't. 8 more days and counting!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes, TM.. We call that the Stop/Drop & Flop syndrome! And I think alot of

our kids have it down to a T!!! I know Tori does!

Liz

Re: vent

> The child I have flops down in the hallway. It can take me anywhere from

> 10-20 minutes just to make it to the room.He's getting heavier and it is

> tiring picking him up while trying not to get hit. On top of that he

> thinks it's hilarious.I don't. 8 more days and counting!!!!!!!!!!

>

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Sam hasn't even turned four yet and I am already feeling exhausted

from having to carry him around. This apparent reluctance to walk

had me worried that it might somehow be related to his un-diagnosed

bone condition - that maybe he was in some sort of discomfort/pain?

as it has only been more recently. We have a four storied house, so

I am constantly carrying him up and down stairs, as trying to make

him do anything like that on his own is pretty much impossible. When

I go to put him down on the floor, he just lifts his feet up and

won't stand up. Now after reading your post and also the other

replies - looks like this is again just another common problem? Has

Mic always done this or did it start at a certain age?? I have only

recently being saying to people that I don't know how I'll manage

when he gets any bigger? My husband can still carry Sam in a

backpack which allows us all to go out for walks together - Sam seems

to love being up that high (where no-one can get too close) but he

hates going in the buggy and I am really dreading the day he gets too

big for the backpack as that will be yet another family activity

crossed off the list of things to do!!

>

> Last nite when I got Mic off the bus he ran to the backyard saw the

kids on the big trampoline next door and climbed the ladder and got

in it before I could get near him. Its screened in but he loves it.

The kids on it were very nice and we played with Mic on it alittle. I

had to get in and get him out.One little girl knew alittle sign

language she saw me signing to Mic and she showed me she could sign

some.The other little boys stayed away and stared at us.Anyway after

I got him down he ran to the next neighbors and went down their slide

swang and played with some of the kids toys. Nobody was home there. I

headed him back in the right direction and flop and stood him up and

walked a few feet and flop. I cant carry him. He went back down all

the slides and all of his own he has 4 and finally I grabbed him by

the back of his shirt and marched him in the house.He flopped several

times and it took me abouit 45 minutes to get him in the house.I was

exhausted by the time I got

> him in here.I need to gain some control over him and have no idea

what to do. We were safe last nite but what if we were someplace

else. FRUSTRATED Laurie

>

>

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We learned early on that floppying child requires ignoring. Sit down out of

view and WAIT him out. Give direction ONCE - then wait. HE can hear, he

knows what you want, now wait for compliance. You could offer a reward for

compliance ONCE. The first time may take a loooooonnngg time - at least it

will feel that way. But eventually, you will teach the child how to comply

with a direction without the floppying.

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

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>Subject: Re: vent

>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT)

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>The child I have flops down in the hallway. It can take me anywhere from

>10-20 minutes just to make it to the room.He's getting heavier and it is

>tiring picking him up while trying not to get hit. On top of that he thinks

>it's hilarious.I don't. 8 more days and counting!!!!!!!!!!

>

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We learned early on that floppying child requires ignoring. Sit down out of

view and WAIT him out. Give direction ONCE - then wait. HE can hear, he

knows what you want, now wait for compliance. You could offer a reward for

compliance ONCE. The first time may take a loooooonnngg time - at least it

will feel that way. But eventually, you will teach the child how to comply

with a direction without the floppying.

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

>

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>To:

>Subject: Re: vent

>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT)

>

>The child I have flops down in the hallway. It can take me anywhere from

>10-20 minutes just to make it to the room.He's getting heavier and it is

>tiring picking him up while trying not to get hit. On top of that he thinks

>it's hilarious.I don't. 8 more days and counting!!!!!!!!!!

>

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This is a good plan but I can't do this in the school I am in. When this happens

in the hallway, considering the fact that he attacks anyone that is near him, I

could not be away from him. I always call myself the interference. Football has

a player that runs interference. Well, I am the interference that keeps him from

getting to other children or adults. I have just stood there when he flops and

let him be for a minute then got him up for a few more steps and had a repeat

performance or 10 more.

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We used " wet floor, caution " when Elie flopped to the floor. It warned

others away so they didn't get hit or kicked.

We also gave a school wide talk on howto support our son and others with

different behaviors. It was really hard to get teachers and kids to " buy

in " to supporting him if they were getting hurt. So we gave them clues as

to how to be friends without getting hurt.

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

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>To:

>Subject: Re: vent

>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:36:27 -0700 (PDT)

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>This is a good plan but I can't do this in the school I am in. When this

>happens in the hallway, considering the fact that he attacks anyone that is

>near him, I could not be away from him. I always call myself the

>interference. Football has a player that runs interference. Well, I am the

>interference that keeps him from getting to other children or adults. I

>have just stood there when he flops and let him be for a minute then got

>him up for a few more steps and had a repeat performance or 10 more.

>

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-------We also gave a school wide talk on howto support our son and others

with

different behaviors. It was really hard to get teachers and kids to

" buy

in " to supporting him if they were getting hurt. So we gave them clues

as

to how to be friends without getting hurt.--------

Here is the problem. The school we are in considers us as in the way. They

don't wish to learn anything at all about the kids or us for that matter. We

have had alot of problems with integrated classes. I can't leave this childs

side when I am with him. Even a wet floor sign would be something I would have

to carry which leaves me with one less arm and hand to deal with any sudden

problem that happens. I have to be very quick because this child can hit or

scratch without warning. I don't have options available. Your ideas are

wonderful but for this child it just would not work.

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In a message dated 5/11/2006 9:41:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,

writes:

This is a good plan but I can't do this in the school I am in. When this

happens in the hallway, considering the fact that he attacks anyone that is

near

him, I could not be away from him. I always call myself the interference.

Football has a player that runs interference. Well, I am the interference that

keeps him from getting to other children or adults. I have just stood there

when he flops and let him be for a minute then got him up for a few more steps

and had a repeat performance or 10 more.

I think this is a place for a visual support and a strong reinforcer. You

may do this a couple of different ways depending on what works for him.

Figure out how many times he generally flops in a trip down the hallway. Then

make a card with velcro spots for little cards or tokens. At the end a picture

of his reinforcer at the beginning a picture of him walking nicely. We use

little smiley faces with velcro on the back. For my son we would give him a

token for each time he is cooperating and walking. You can also do it where you

take away a token each time he flops (I prefer the giving rather than the

taking). At first I would make sure he succeeds. Then remove one of the velcro

spots as he becomes more successful. Then fade the amount of reinforcer.

If possible until this behavior is on the way to major change I would try

moving through the halls then they aren't busy.

The other thing that worked for my son was to take a video of him walking

through the hallway nicely. He loved watching videos of himself and it really

showed him doing something right.

Karyn

Karyn

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Hi TM, Just as Liz said alot of our kids, stop,drop, and flop.Well I

sure do no that my son did but not as much. When he is tired I get a

cold washcloth and I count 1,2,3, and say it's time for cold rag and

if he does not move I put the cold washcloth on his back and face. He

generally moves. When it is time for him to get out of the tub and if

he does not want to move, I count 1,2,3, and turn out lights and shut

the door. He hates the dark and will start standing up to get out.I

also have a reward box so if he goes up the stairs without flopping he

gets to pick a reward.My son knows when I starting counting 1,2,3,

something is going to happen and this motivates him. I hope this

helps. Make a picture of no flopping and when he does this tell him

know. I hope this helps. Cyndi

>

> The child I have flops down in the hallway. It can take me anywhere

from 10-20 minutes just to make it to the room.He's getting heavier

and it is tiring picking him up while trying not to get hit. On top of

that he thinks it's hilarious.I don't. 8 more days and

counting!!!!!!!!!!

>

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