Re: Joan school toileting issues

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan,

Four years ago, when Zeb was in 3rd grade I had a similair incident. They

refused to help him redress after an accident and physically held the door shut

cutting his foot while Zeb was fighting to pull the door open. I eventually had

the person terminated. I think toileting issues are a big deal in school and

cause our kids more issues. I learned to have every piece of Zeb's need

documented on a medical form attached to the IEP. It then because more effective

in driving the staff to do their job and assist when needed.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

Joan Medlen wrote:

Leah...leah...leah....WHY would I shoot you?

YOu silly girl.

You can read about the celiac screening here:

http://ds-health.com/celiac.htm

You could get a good idea if it's worth looking into

from the blood test. Andy's didn't come back as

conclusively celiac, but he was having daily loose

(uncontrollable) stools...that went away. That's a

good enough diagnositic tool for both her ped and me.

I mean...they went away so well that he then " backed

up " and we had to flush him out.

It is just an outlier of a possibility. Don't beat

yourself up. Sounds like there's enough " stuff " going

on that it could be just about anything except typical

stuff...You know? It's always such a puzzle.

Glad you have some folks you think are competent to

help. That's reallky important (and enviable!). Last

year, before Andy was diagnosed with Celiac, when the

diarrhea began, we had someone decide he didn't want

to clean up the mess in the bathrooma nd left

Andy--with no pants or underwewar--in the one stall

bathroom (someone on the other side holding the door

shut) until I arrived 30-40 minutes later. There was a

change of clothes and everything in there--though the

water only trickles out of the faucet (that's not MY

fault!). I've never been so angry.

So....do what you need to give them the confidence

they should problem-solve and follow their instincts.

will tell them if they're doing the wrong

thign!

Sorry you're in this mess.

j

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Toileting especially becomes a problem when our boys start maturing. That

was when it beccame a big issue for Elie. Pubic hair scared the school

establishment. When I tried to explain that although his BODY was maturing,

his mind was still a little boy.

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Joan school toileting issues

>Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:34:57 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hi Joan,

> Four years ago, when Zeb was in 3rd grade I had a similair incident.

>They refused to help him redress after an accident and physically held the

>door shut cutting his foot while Zeb was fighting to pull the door open. I

>eventually had the person terminated. I think toileting issues are a big

>deal in school and cause our kids more issues. I learned to have every

>piece of Zeb's need documented on a medical form attached to the IEP. It

>then because more effective in driving the staff to do their job and assist

>when needed.

> Charlyne

> Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

>

>Joan Medlen wrote:

> Leah...leah...leah....WHY would I shoot you?

>

>YOu silly girl.

>

>You can read about the celiac screening here:

>http://ds-health.com/celiac.htm

>

>You could get a good idea if it's worth looking into

>from the blood test. Andy's didn't come back as

>conclusively celiac, but he was having daily loose

>(uncontrollable) stools...that went away. That's a

>good enough diagnositic tool for both her ped and me.

>I mean...they went away so well that he then " backed

>up " and we had to flush him out.

>

>It is just an outlier of a possibility. Don't beat

>yourself up. Sounds like there's enough " stuff " going

>on that it could be just about anything except typical

>stuff...You know? It's always such a puzzle.

>

>Glad you have some folks you think are competent to

>help. That's reallky important (and enviable!). Last

>year, before Andy was diagnosed with Celiac, when the

>diarrhea began, we had someone decide he didn't want

>to clean up the mess in the bathrooma nd left

>Andy--with no pants or underwewar--in the one stall

>bathroom (someone on the other side holding the door

>shut) until I arrived 30-40 minutes later. There was a

>change of clothes and everything in there--though the

>water only trickles out of the faucet (that's not MY

>fault!). I've never been so angry.

>

>So....do what you need to give them the confidence

>they should problem-solve and follow their instincts.

> will tell them if they're doing the wrong

>thign!

>

>Sorry you're in this mess.

>

>j

>

>

>

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Although I do not condone what happened AT ALL, I have

to say the teacher and the principal, and everyone BUT

the Ed Assistant (22 year old thinks he's hot stuff

guy) were horrified. The teacher was not supervising

this guy well enough to even know it was happening,

though. I sent the SUBSTITUTE who got hoodwinked into

holding the door to go get her and was livid. My

concern was getting my boy home safely. The Ed

ASsistant told so many " tales " it was unreal. The

principal hadn't had time to go check things out

before she called, but when she told me his version of

how there was little mess and he left andy clean, but

unclothed (now why not finish the job when his change

was right there in the room) I told her to go ask the

custodian because she OWES HIM BIG TIME. HE

corroborated my tale of a toilet coated in diarrhea.

I looked for an attorney--it's the firs time I've ever

wanted tons of cash. No one would take it.

The Ed assistant is no longer with the district--the

incident is well-known--and I have moved on.

THankfully, Andy did too. But it helps to have his

Celiac Disease diagnosed and under control!

j

--- sara cohen wrote:

> Toileting especially becomes a problem when our boys

> start maturing. That

> was when it beccame a big issue for Elie. Pubic

> hair scared the school

> establishment. When I tried to explain that

> although his BODY was maturing,

> his mind was still a little boy.

>

>

>

> Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about

> the lemons.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To:

> >To:

> >Subject: Re: Joan school toileting

> issues

> >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:34:57 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Hi Joan,

> > Four years ago, when Zeb was in 3rd grade I had

> a similair incident.

> >They refused to help him redress after an accident

> and physically held the

> >door shut cutting his foot while Zeb was fighting

> to pull the door open. I

> >eventually had the person terminated. I think

> toileting issues are a big

> >deal in school and cause our kids more issues. I

> learned to have every

> >piece of Zeb's need documented on a medical form

> attached to the IEP. It

> >then because more effective in driving the staff to

> do their job and assist

> >when needed.

> > Charlyne

> > Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

> >

> >Joan Medlen wrote:

> > Leah...leah...leah....WHY would I shoot you?

> >

> >YOu silly girl.

> >

> >You can read about the celiac screening here:

> >http://ds-health.com/celiac.htm

> >

> >You could get a good idea if it's worth looking

> into

> >from the blood test. Andy's didn't come back as

> >conclusively celiac, but he was having daily loose

> >(uncontrollable) stools...that went away. That's a

> >good enough diagnositic tool for both her ped and

> me.

> >I mean...they went away so well that he then

> " backed

> >up " and we had to flush him out.

> >

> >It is just an outlier of a possibility. Don't beat

> >yourself up. Sounds like there's enough " stuff "

> going

> >on that it could be just about anything except

> typical

> >stuff...You know? It's always such a puzzle.

> >

> >Glad you have some folks you think are competent to

> >help. That's reallky important (and enviable!).

> Last

> >year, before Andy was diagnosed with Celiac, when

> the

> >diarrhea began, we had someone decide he didn't

> want

> >to clean up the mess in the bathrooma nd left

> >Andy--with no pants or underwewar--in the one stall

> >bathroom (someone on the other side holding the

> door

> >shut) until I arrived 30-40 minutes later. There

> was a

> >change of clothes and everything in there--though

> the

> >water only trickles out of the faucet (that's not

> MY

> >fault!). I've never been so angry.

> >

> >So....do what you need to give them the confidence

> >they should problem-solve and follow their

> instincts.

> > will tell them if they're doing the wrong

> >thign!

> >

> >Sorry you're in this mess.

> >

> >j

> >

> >

> >

> >__________________________________________

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> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi J,

I'm so sorry you and Andy had to go through all this. It is so unneccesary.

School personnel have immunity from civil suits but you could have filed a

police report against this 22 yr old for neglect. It's more work than it's

worth. I think the school handled it correctly and all is well. I hope Andy's

celiac symptoms will stay under control so he can feel good.

Charlyne

Joan Medlen wrote:

Although I do not condone what happened AT ALL, I have

to say the teacher and the principal, and everyone BUT

the Ed Assistant (22 year old thinks he's hot stuff

guy) were horrified. The teacher was not supervising

this guy well enough to even know it was happening,

though. I sent the SUBSTITUTE who got hoodwinked into

holding the door to go get her and was livid. My

concern was getting my boy home safely. The Ed

ASsistant told so many " tales " it was unreal. The

principal hadn't had time to go check things out

before she called, but when she told me his version of

how there was little mess and he left andy clean, but

unclothed (now why not finish the job when his change

was right there in the room) I told her to go ask the

custodian because she OWES HIM BIG TIME. HE

corroborated my tale of a toilet coated in diarrhea.

I looked for an attorney--it's the firs time I've ever

wanted tons of cash. No one would take it.

The Ed assistant is no longer with the district--the

incident is well-known--and I have moved on.

THankfully, Andy did too. But it helps to have his

Celiac Disease diagnosed and under control!

j

--- sara cohen

wrote:

> Toileting especially becomes a problem when our boys

> start maturing. That

> was when it beccame a big issue for Elie. Pubic

> hair scared the school

> establishment. When I tried to explain that

> although his BODY was maturing,

> his mind was still a little boy.

>

>

>

> Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about

> the lemons.

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: charlyne olko

> >Reply-To:

> >To:

> >Subject: Re: Joan school toileting

> issues

> >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:34:57 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Hi Joan,

> > Four years ago, when Zeb was in 3rd grade I had

> a similair incident.

> >They refused to help him redress after an accident

> and physically held the

> >door shut cutting his foot while Zeb was fighting

> to pull the door open. I

> >eventually had the person terminated. I think

> toileting issues are a big

> >deal in school and cause our kids more issues. I

> learned to have every

> >piece of Zeb's need documented on a medical form

> attached to the IEP. It

> >then because more effective in driving the staff to

> do their job and assist

> >when needed.

> > Charlyne

> > Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

> >

> >Joan Medlen wrote:

> > Leah...leah...leah....WHY would I shoot you?

> >

> >YOu silly girl.

> >

> >You can read about the celiac screening here:

> >http://ds-health.com/celiac.htm

> >

> >You could get a good idea if it's worth looking

> into

> >from the blood test. Andy's didn't come back as

> >conclusively celiac, but he was having daily loose

> >(uncontrollable) stools...that went away. That's a

> >good enough diagnositic tool for both her ped and

> me.

> >I mean...they went away so well that he then

> " backed

> >up " and we had to flush him out.

> >

> >It is just an outlier of a possibility. Don't beat

> >yourself up. Sounds like there's enough " stuff "

> going

> >on that it could be just about anything except

> typical

> >stuff...You know? It's always such a puzzle.

> >

> >Glad you have some folks you think are competent to

> >help. That's reallky important (and enviable!).

> Last

> >year, before Andy was diagnosed with Celiac, when

> the

> >diarrhea began, we had someone decide he didn't

> want

> >to clean up the mess in the bathrooma nd left

> >Andy--with no pants or underwewar--in the one stall

> >bathroom (someone on the other side holding the

> door

> >shut) until I arrived 30-40 minutes later. There

> was a

> >change of clothes and everything in there--though

> the

> >water only trickles out of the faucet (that's not

> MY

> >fault!). I've never been so angry.

> >

> >So....do what you need to give them the confidence

> >they should problem-solve and follow their

> instincts.

> > will tell them if they're doing the wrong

> >thign!

> >

> >Sorry you're in this mess.

> >

> >j

> >

> >

> >

> >__________________________________________

> >Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about.

> >Just $16.99/mo. or less.

> >dsl.yahoo.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >Checkout our homepage for information,

> bookmarks, and photos of

> >our kids. Share favorite bookmarks, ideas, and

> other information by

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