Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 " In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post " What causes autism...? " If the Japanese have their share of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury- laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese eat much fish. Remember minamata.... " Once again we see someone confusing the two vaccine issues, MMR and thimerosal. The Japanese suspended their use of the MMR because of the Urabe strain of the mumps, which was associated with menigitus, and not because the measles component was associated with autism. I do not know if the monovalent measles vaccine used in Japan is live virus (and thimerosal free) or dead virus (and probably containing thimerosal). However, a heavy seafood diet probably does not contribute to the autism epidemic in a significant way (although it may cause other problems). I say this because the Scandinavian countries and Denmark all eat signifcantly more fish per capita than we do in the States, and yet our autism rate is significantly higher. And Hvid's study, when corrected for dataset change, actually shows that autism declined in severity once thimerosal was banned from use as a vaccine preservative in Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hmm. The Somalis in Sweden have higher rates than the Swedes and call autism " the Swedish disease " . But from DK's article, it seems that a number of women (who soon became pregnant) and children were double vaccinated before and after arriving to the US. This could have also happened in Sweden. The Swedish schedule might not be quite high enough on toxins to trigger autism at US rates, even with high fish consumption (they have more open info on high hg fish whereas in the US, the fish and power industry control release of fish warnings). And Sweden might have lower general mercury pollution or a lower consumption of things which cripple the body's detox system than fish- eating Japan. This might partly explain Japan's higher rate. Or maybe the Japanese " thimerosal-free " schedule is like our " thimerosal-free " schedule-- and actually contains about 71 mcg. What happened in Japan in the wake of Minimata is incredibly corrupt and there are still people fighting for compensation. Japan protected industry in that situation. They could also play little games about vaccines and protect the vaccine industry-- who knows? Maybe the legacy of Minimata is to increase the national body burden, making it easier to " tip " the newer generations of infants into autism. Again, maybe there are things in modern life crippling Japanese kids' mitochondrial systems, glutathione and DNA methylation, making them unable to excrete the mercury from a high-fish diet. What made methylmercury less of a suspect than ethylmercury was Burbacher's study showing that e-hg couldn't get back out of the brain as easily as m-hg because e-hg transformed more quickly into inorganic mercury-- kind of a like a " barbed " form of mercury. Injecting also bypasses all the body's defenses. But what if you first cripple the body's defenses-- then any form of mercury with any route of entry can act a lot like e-hg and " get stuck " . If it gets " stuck " in the body, it's eventually going to make its way to the brain in higher amounts-- particularly if other things in modern life (aluminum, psych drugs) increae permeability of the blood brain barrier in children. From hearing the explanation of our kids' DAN doc about toxic metal excretion from chelation, I do think that eating fish can " complement " the mercury from shots even if that mode of entry doesn't quite cause autism (yet-- but watch as the atmospheric mercury levels rise around the world) for most kids. We saw on our kids' urine toxic metals tests that sometimes certain metals would " take first place " in being excreted. Lead, the DAN explained, is sort of a bully and " loads up the excretion bus " first, actually preventing the excretion of other metals. On one test we saw lots of lead and thallium, on the next we saw a record amount of mercury and cadmium. Lead, it seems, had to " get out of the way " to allow the mercury to exit. Both kids showed obvious improvements every time. Would the mercury have been able to get out without the lead being pulled " out of mercury's way " ? I don't know. None of it was getting out without chelation in any case. What I thought this showed was that the overload itself can cripple the system of methylation and detoxification-- i.e., the detox " bus " blows its transmission or runs out of gas (mito?) and can't escort anything out. One of the Amish's rare cases of autism, according to Dan Olmsted, had never been vaccinated but was documented nonetheless to have high levels of mercury from other sources. The Texas study showed that rates of autism are higher in areas with pollution from coal-fired plants and other mercury polluters. The rates rose evenly according to proximity. This means that any source of environmental mercury (and perhaps anything which disables detox) contributes to the problem. I could be wrong but personally still think things which cause mito dysfunction, lower the immunity (whopping vaccine viruses) and disable glutathione " load the gun " but that mercury is the bullet. Mercury or specific (and new-- they have to be rather new or have new uses) drugs or substances which precisely mimic mercury's impact on the brain (Depakote). > > " In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post " What > causes autism...? " If the Japanese have their share > of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can > it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources > other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury- > laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese > eat much fish. Remember minamata.... " > > Once again we see someone confusing the two vaccine issues, MMR and thimerosal. The Japanese suspended their use of the MMR because of the Urabe strain of the mumps, which was associated with menigitus, and not because the measles component was associated with autism. I do not know if the monovalent measles vaccine used in Japan is live virus (and thimerosal free) or dead virus (and probably containing thimerosal). > > However, a heavy seafood diet probably does not contribute to the autism epidemic in a significant way (although it may cause other problems). I say this because the Scandinavian countries and Denmark all eat signifcantly more fish per capita than we do in the States, and yet our autism rate is significantly higher. And Hvid's study, when corrected for dataset change, actually shows that autism declined in severity once thimerosal was banned from use as a vaccine preservative in Denmark. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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