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Yes, absolutely I can attest to that! My dh and I both hope that Seth can

grow up to be as advanced as Gareth is. You would never know that Gareth has

any dx other than DS. I am getting to the point now where I am going to

start charting Seth's behaviors. Maybe next summer we will TRY some form of

medication, if I can find a GOOD child psych. Seth isn't doing any self injury

behaviors, is easily redirected, but his stimming is way out of control. Char

can tell you that Seth is the EASIEST kid. :-) Easiest out of my five for

sure! But, I think the stimming, if it continues, will certainly interfere

with his learning.

Gail :-)

In a message dated 8/8/2005 8:59:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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We were told by the psych that our child (age

6) was 'severely autistic and profoundly MR and that nothing could be

done'.

Well........let me tell you, (and Gail can attest to it) that G is no

longer

severely autistic. He is a high functioning kid who happens to have DS and

autism.

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he can read on a 5-6th grade level im sooo jealous. i keep on nagging and

nagging the school as nathan just turned 14 yesterday and he still cant read

maybe a few words, im at a loss weve done soo many tests and have been using

what is suggested by the docs etc and i still see little to no results, not even

a 1st grade level yet. i understand he may not evert be a reader but sooo

want him to be able to read imprtant stuff in his surroundings and at least

understand them toa certain degree, like danger means to stay away from.shawna

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a,

I understand where you are coming from.

I have been fighting the schools to teach Trisha to read for a long time now

as well.

Trisha also cannot read except for a some sight words but she can't read a

whole sentence.

We got her two programs called first verbs and first categories. One thing

I have learned,

is that in order for them to be able to read they must first understand

different things like:

nouns, verbs, categories sentences etc. You can get a trial version of

these programs at

www.laureatelearning.com

We didn't order the first words because she did so well on them at the AT

eval that we decieded to go

with first verbs. I love the program and it is beginning to help Trisha.

She had no clue what

categories meant and now she knows animal, clothing body part and is working

on furniture categories.

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't typical, She's Trisha!

If we always do what we always did

We'll always get what we've always gotten!

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he can read on a 5-6th grade level im sooo jealous. i keep on nagging and

nagging the school as nathan just turned 14 yesterday and he still cant read

maybe a few words, im at a loss weve done soo many tests and have been using

what is suggested by the docs etc and i still see little to no results, not

even

a 1st grade level yet. i understand he may not evert be a reader but sooo

want him to be able to read imprtant stuff in his surroundings and at least

understand them toa certain degree, like danger means to stay away from

shawna

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thanks margaret- it's good to hear that the meds gave you the light at the end

of the tunnel...frankly, meds-even through trial and error- will be easier on me

than me sitting with him trying to engage him or watching him stimming by

himself and feeling guilty and helpless. I guess I didn't want to medicate just

to take the easy way out- if DTT or floortime (enough of it) can do the job...

thanks for the info- i'll take it to heart.

n....long winded!!!

<<Isaac is only 5 and is still developing, I'm not sure that the constant

stimming, inattention and some OCD behaviors renders medication. How " severe "

do these behaviors have to be for someone to decide on medication?...... What

are your experiences as far as seeing changes on meds for inattention and

self-stim behaviors. >>

Hi, Everyone....n...this can be a very touchy subject and I know that

there are those who are completely against " drugging " their kids. I felt the

guilt of having Gareth on heavy duty mind drugs for yrs. but a child psych

once asked me " What was MY problem? If G. was diabetic, I wouldn't feel

guilty

about giving him Insulin, would I? If he had MD and needed meds for muscle

spasm/control, etc, would I feel guilty about meds to control that? " He

takes Prilosec daily for GERD....I don't feel guilty about that. Whether we

want

to admit it or not, our kids do have some sort of chemical imbalances in

their brains. We are not drugging our kids into zombies. Gareth is 17y/o

and

takes the lowest dose possible of an SSRI for his OCD and is only on 1 mg. of

Risperdal (am and pm) after being on it for 7 yrs. He still has his warped

sense of humor and has matured into a 5'4 " , 155# young man.....so the meds

have

not affected or stunted his growth. He started on Prozac at age 6 and we

added the Risperdal at age 10 and he's been on that combo for over 7 yrs now.

Isaac's behaviors (stimming, inattentiveness, etc.) ARE affecting his life.

You have no reason to feel guilty because you can't be with him 24/7 to keep

him occupied/learning. Before drugs, G's behavior was constant teeth

grinding, rocking, stimming, growling/vocal noises, master Houdini, ADHD,

echolalia, up all night, very light/sound sensitive, wicked head banger, and

had no

reasoning/redirection ability. We were told by the psych that our child (age

6) was 'severely autistic and profoundly MR and that nothing could be done'.

Well........let me tell you, (and Gail can attest to it) that G is no longer

severely autistic. He is a high functioning kid who happens to have DS and

autism. Once he was on the SSRI/Risperdal combo, he started talking (albeit

2-3 word sentences) and he could be reasoned with. That right there led to

the ability to open doorways on all the other issues. The teeth grinding

stopped, he sleeps through the night, his OCD is lessened, his stimming is

limited, we can have lights on in the house, he doesn't run or flop and drop

anymore, no more rocking or head banging, etc. In school, he is reading on a

5-6rd

grade level, comprehension is 3rd grade level, and he can do basic

math...adding/subtraction, money, etc.

I am not saying the past yrs. have been a piece of cake. We have tried meds

that didn't work. You always have the option of withdrawing meds at any

time if the behaviors get worse or the meds don't do anything. It is trial

by

error and not all kids have positive results with meds. BUT.....you will

never know if you don't try. If you do go the med route, find a child psych

who

is willing to work with you....especially over the phone for the first few

months. Watch for the negative behaviors from some drugs. Like I said

before,

G. can't handle ritalin or adderall, but other kids are doing fantastic.

Keep a chart of all his behaviors before meds and check off how those

behaviors

are affected by the drugs. Follow your instincts. Ask your hubby if he is

willing to TRY a drug for 6 weeks. That may be all he needs to show whether

it helps or not. Start at the lowest dose possible. Our kids don't need a

lot. Take care, Everyone.

Margaret

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In a message dated 8/9/2005 12:01:49 PM Central Standard Time,

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www.laureatelearning.com

thanks i will check it out, im not sure weather or not nathan can group

items but I know ive suggested this for several years now as to aid in his

augmentive comunication, shawna

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