Re:Sen. McCain Helped Vaccine injured

October 18, 2008

One thing I think it is important to remember in this election is that

candidates may say anything in the off-the-cuff moment ( and possibly even with

honest conviction and belief) and yet this may well not translate into policy.

Every acts as the the President is the most powerful person in the free world,

and yet in reality Congress can stymie him/her at every single turn if they

choose, and the Court can likewise toss out whateve they choose with little

repercussions (who can you appeal to if the Supreme Court makes a bad decision?)

There are very, very few politicians who believe so strongly in their

convictions that they will place their career on the line. People who have that

inner strength of conviction rarely make it to higher office because they are

unwilling to compromise their principles.

So much of the arguments on any single topic become more academic than anything

else. If we are to achieve improvements in our niche of society (one example:

services for autism) we are probaly going to have to fight the battle in our

hometown elections, starting with the House. Congressmen are (re)elected every

single year, and if we can toss out a handful of incumbants and force the

newbies to vote consistantly to help our children, we will achieve far more than

trying for the gold ring of a Preidential candidate who not only understands our

plight but believes in helping us.

That is unless Burton tosses his hat in the ring in '12.

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October 18, 2008

About the Schmuck vaccine injury case....... also know that 's chelation doc was our first chelation doc. That doc has a child of his own with autism (she is now very high functioning and 14 years old). I'm telling you, McCain (even as a lowly senator) was probably doing as Dave Weldon, putting his reputation on the line for the sake of our kids. From the legislators (Rep) I see in my own chelation doc's office, there are more pro-environment, anti-pharma Republicans floating around out there. In AZ, it was the Republicans who helped pass the autism insurance legislation.

From: Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kidsyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re:Sen. McCain Helped Vaccine injuredTo: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 3:11 PM

One thing I think it is important to remember in this election is that candidates may say anything in the off-the-cuff moment ( and possibly even with honest conviction and belief) and yet this may well not translate into policy. Every acts as the the President is the most powerful person in the free world, and yet in reality Congress can stymie him/her at every single turn if they choose, and the Court can likewise toss out whateve they choose with little repercussions (who can you appeal to if the Supreme Court makes a bad decision?)There are very, very few politicians who believe so strongly in their convictions that they will place their career on the line. People who have that inner strength of conviction rarely make it to higher office because they are unwilling to compromise their principles.So much of the arguments on any single topic become more academic than anything else. If we are to achieve improvements in our niche of

society (one example: services for autism) we are probaly going to have to fight the battle in our hometown elections, starting with the House. Congressmen are (re)elected every single year, and if we can toss out a handful of incumbants and force the newbies to vote consistantly to help our children, we will achieve far more than trying for the gold ring of a Preidential candidate who not only understands our plight but believes in helping us.That is unless Burton tosses his hat in the ring in '12. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 18, 2008

Good point. There were some key Republicans in NY that helped get both the thimerosal and insurance bills passed. It was a truly bipartisan effort - because in NY the Assembly is controlled by the Democrats and the Senate is controlled by the Republicans. And at that time the Republican governor, Gov. Pataki, signed the bills into law.The lesson is that our issues cut across party lines and we must take a bipartisan or multipartisan approach.About the Schmuck vaccine injury case....... also know that 's chelation doc was our first chelation doc. That doc has a child of his own with autism (she is now very high functioning and 14 years old). I'm telling you, McCain (even as a lowly senator) was probably doing as Dave Weldon, putting his reputation on the line for the sake of our kids. From the legislators (Rep) I see in my own chelation doc's office, there are more pro-environment, anti-pharma Republicans floating around out there. In AZ, it was the Republicans who helped pass the autism insurance legislation.From: Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kidsyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re:Sen. McCain Helped Vaccine injuredTo: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, October 17, 2008, 3:11 PMOne thing I think it is important to remember in this election is that candidates may say anything in the off-the-cuff moment ( and possibly even with honest conviction and belief) and yet this may well not translate into policy. Every acts as the the President is the most powerful person in the free world, and yet in reality Congress can stymie him/her at every single turn if they choose, and the Court can likewise toss out whateve they choose with little repercussions (who can you appeal to if the Supreme Court makes a bad decision?)There are very, very few politicians who believe so strongly in their convictions that they will place their career on the line. People who have that inner strength of conviction rarely make it to higher office because they are unwilling to compromise their principles.So much of the arguments on any single topic become more academic than anything else. If we are to achieve improvements in our niche of society (one example: services for autism) we are probaly going to have to fight the battle in our hometown elections, starting with the House. Congressmen are (re)elected every single year, and if we can toss out a handful of incumbants and force the newbies to vote consistantly to help our children, we will achieve far more than trying for the gold ring of a Preidential candidate who not only understands our plight but believes in helping us.That is unless Burton tosses his hat in the ring in '12. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

October 19, 2008

I'm still unsure as to who I will vote for, but I have to admit that I

hear Obama talking alot about prevention in his talks about his health

care plans. He keeps talking about how if we step up preventative

measures, then over time, that cuts down on medical expenses. Well, I

can't help but wonder if he is including vaccines in that 'preventative

care' rhetoric, i.e. if I was choosing *solely* on the vaccine issue,

then I would have to lean towards McCain as being more likely to

examine the adverse events angle more closely than Obama. My concern

is that Obama will be handed a bunch of information about how effective

vaccines are, studies that show that increases in vaccination rates

result in fewer emergency room visits, and so forth.

Anyway, just a thought.

October 19, 2008

> I'm still unsure as to who I will vote for...

Me too. But I can't help but hope that McCain will press for a total

reform of the FDA, NIH, CDC and all the health orgs that no longer work

for the people and instead act as thinly veiled agents for big pharma.

This isn't being said on the campaign trail as it's too touchy for sure

with all the pharma money and influence out there - but it should be

openly addressed by both candidates.

Doesn't HEALTHCARE SPENDING automatically get reduced when the FDA is

doing its job and keeping crappy, ineffective, harmful drugs off the

market? To reduce wasteful spending on drugs that don't work at best

and harm at worst is a no brainer policy to pursue - plenty of examples

to cite - vioxx just being one.

Really hate tho that McCain's so hell bent on nuclear energy

proliferation - last I read about it, the radiative waste had a 40,000

year half-life or something insanely long like that. IMO, ain't

responsible to be putting that hazzard out there for the next hump-teen

generations.

I know, I know, mercury emissions in the short run from coal burning

plants versus thousands of years of toxic radioactive waste on the

other...how about a policy with a goal to have neither...would require

incentives on innovation and revolutionary inventions that may

ultimately render the energy companies obsolete. From what I

understand, the energy cos are the special interest folks McCain is

most interested in protecting.

On energy I like Obama, on healthcare reform, I like McCain....the

clock is ticking...which side to choose.

egran

October 19, 2008

I heard Obama speak at a rally a few weeks ago. He was listing off what all americans have a right to - speaking on healthcare - he said something to the effect that the millions of uninsured children in this country have a right to life-saving vaccines... It gave me chills. Made me think of mandatory, no exception vaccines for all children.

From: merrywbee <merrywbeeyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re:Sen. McCain Helped Vaccine injuredTo: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 1:48 AM

I'm still unsure as to who I will vote for, but I have to admit that I hear Obama talking alot about prevention in his talks about his health care plans. He keeps talking about how if we step up preventative measures, then over time, that cuts down on medical expenses. Well, I can't help but wonder if he is including vaccines in that 'preventative care' rhetoric, i.e. if I was choosing *solely* on the vaccine issue, then I would have to lean towards McCain as being more likely to examine the adverse events angle more closely than Obama. My concern is that Obama will be handed a bunch of information about how effective vaccines are, studies that show that increases in vaccination rates result in fewer emergency room visits, and so forth. Anyway, just a thought.____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __Do You

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October 19, 2008

Did he SAY he would mandate all vaccines?

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I heard Obama speak at a rally a few weeks ago. He was listing off what all americans have a right to - speaking on healthcare - he said something to the effect that the millions of uninsured children in this country have a right to life-saving vaccines... It gave me chills. Made me think of mandatory, no exception vaccines for all children.

From: merrywbee <merrywbeeyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re:Sen. McCain Helped Vaccine injured

To: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 1:48 AM