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Bram Cohen: Creator of BitTorrent Interview, Asperger's Awareness

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> ASPERGER'S AWARENESS

> * Bram Cohen: Creator of BitTorrent, Asperger's

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> PUBLIC HEALTH

> * The Age of Autism: Witness

>

> EVENTS

> * Temple Grandin Believes In Microenterprise & Generating Income For

> People With Autism

> * Autism Group in Australia Highlights Work Integration Difficulties

>

> TREATMENT

> * Demand for Organic Foods Soaring

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> MEDIA

> * " Autism is a World " -CNN 1 Hour Film

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> COMMENTARY

> * Student Wishes Everyone Would Be Treated Equally

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> LETTERS

> * Re: Study Refutes Link Between Childhood Vaccinations, Autism

> * Disturbing Evidence of Harm

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> ASPERGER'S AWARENESS

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> Bram Cohen: Creator of BitTorrent, Asperger's

> An interview with the creator of the most preeminent file sharing and

> distribution system.

> http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Articles & pa=showpage & pid=98

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> While reading an article entitled " The BitTorrent Effect " which

> appeared in the January 2005 issue of Wired Magazine, I was surprised to

> find out that the creator of BitTorrent, Bram Cohen, has Asperger's

> Syndrome. After finishing this article, I became determined to track down

> Cohen and ask him some questions about how Asperger's Syndrome has

> affected

> his very successful life. I finally found him on IRC and was able to

> interview him about how he has dealt with Asperger's Syndrome. I'd like to

> thank Mr. Cohen for taking the time out of his busy schedule to answer

> these

> somewhat personal questions.

> Cohen started working on BitTorrent in April, 2001. Since the release

> of this technology in the summer of 2001, it has quickly grown into one of

> the most preeminent file distribution methods, especially among open

> source

> products such as Linux. The decentralized nature of BitTorrent allows an

> individual or company to share its files without needing to worry about

> bandwidth demands. Every client downloading a file from the network will

> usually donate part of its own bandwidth which, when added up with all the

> other donwloaders of the particular file, becomes quite a lot, making it

> much faster than technologies such as Gnutella (or Kazaa).

> Because there is already a plethora of information about BitTorrent,

> this interview takes a different approach and focuses entirely on Cohen's

> Asperger's Syndrome. Cohen's story is extremely inspirational to those of

> us

> who do have Asperger's, and will probably be so even to those without

> Asperger's Syndrome (Sorry, Asperger's makes it hard for me to tell what

> other people will think, so I'm only guessing that it will be ;-). I know

> that many of you with Asperger's Syndrome may be at a low point in life,

> but

> this is only temporary! Bram has been there too and now he is one of the

> most respected figures in the computer science field.

> WrongPlanet.net: How has Asperger's helped you with your programming?

> Bram Cohen: Oh, heh, I dunno. I tend to get obsessed with technical

> problems, and have a very long attention span, which are obviously good

> traits for being a programmer, and seem like Asperger's traits, but

> [because

> of] not having an almost-identical-except-no-asperger's version of myself,

> it's hard to compare.

> WP: How was life at school?

> BC: I hated school, and dropped out of college. I got picked on a lot

> in school, and had a lot of trouble making friends.

> WP: I know the feeling.

> BC: One thing about school - I always had this attitude that I was in

> school to learn, and attempted to do whatever was involved in that

> process,

> while school had this attitude that I was there to earn grades, which I

> couldn't care less about. Unsurprisingly, my grades weren't very good.

> WP: That's been true for me as well. I tend to have trouble focusing

> on anything that I'm not interested in. Do you have this problem?

> BC: Yes, I'm extremely bad at working on things which seem pointless

> (uninteresting I can mostly deal with). It's caused problems for me at

> some

> workplaces, particularly when the whole job was to maintain a garbage

> legacy

> codebase.

> WP: So you taught yourself the languages that you know?

> BC: My father taught me Basic and rudimentary C, I learned everything

> else on my own, including studying computational complexity on my own.

> That's more a function of my age than anything else though - back when I

> was

> in school there were hardly any programming classes.

> WP: How did you meet your wife? [Many of us with Asperger's tend to

> have trouble with romantic relationships.]

> BC: I met my wife because she knew someone I worked withh, I don't

> want to go into more detail than that.

> WP: I understand and that's perfectly fine. How has Asperger's

> influenced your attempts to find a job [or work at one]?

> BC: In terms of work I've always had a Bad Attitude in that I won't

> work anywhere which requires me to work strict hours or follow a dress

> code.

> I don't know if that's an Asperger's thing or not, I think it's just being

> reasonable.

> WP: A lot of us would agree with you on that. Do you have anything

> else you'd like to add [about Asperger's Syndrome in general]?

> BC: About Asperger's in general, I'd like to comment that I never

> really identified as having it until I started to learn some basic social

> signaling and realized just how bad my problems had been.

> It's very frustrating now, because I can remember events in my life

> well enough to be able to realize now what people were thinking at the

> time,

> even though I had no idea what was going on back then, but of course

> there's

> no way of going back and explaining it to myself.

> WP: A lot of people seem to feel that way when they find out later in

> life. What do you have the most difficulty with in social situations?

> BC: There's no single thing which causes problems, it's a general

> missing skill set of being able to read faces, and being able to express

> thoughts on one's own face properly (there are other social cues, of

> course,

> but in my case I learned starting with the face, and everything else was

> easy from there).

> I still sometimes get tired and just completely lose it. I try to not

> make eye contact when that happens. Fortunately people are very accepting

> when one seems to 'snap out of it', so if I act weird around someone one

> day

> then reasonably interactive the next they generally figure that I was just

> tired or distracted or something

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> PUBLIC HEALTH

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> The Age of Autism: Witness

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> By Dan Olmsted for UPI. Another in a series by UPI on autism.

> No web link available at press time.

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> Noonan is a family doctor in Lancaster County. When I met him

> for lunch last Saturday, he was still in golfing togs from his weekly game

> -- " Saturdays are my 'I can breathe' day, " he says. Even so, he stayed

> after

> our meal to meet a cancer patient who phoned him at the restaurant.

> He's energetic, friendly, straightforward -- the kind of doctor

> people

> want.

> People such as the Amish. As a family practitioner, Noonan sees

> patients of all ages. He combines traditional and alternative medicine in

> an

> " integrative " blend to suit the individual. The Amish like that

> approach --

> they prefer to see just one doctor for all their care, and their first

> resort is herbs and supplements, not prescriptions and pills. For one

> thing,

> most don't have insurance.

> Based on movies like " Witness " and the image of the Amish in

> horse-and-buggies, many people -- myself included -- assume they have

> virtually no contact with such outside influences as modern medicine.

> Not so.

> Noonan has been a doctor in Lancaster County nearly 25 years and

> about

> a third of his patients are Amish, making his Amish practice one of the

> area's largest. He has seen " thousands and thousands " of the county's

> 22,000

> Amish residents and others who live nearby.

> I found him through an Amish-Mennonite mother of an autistic child

> adopted from China. She told me she has seen almost no autism among the

> Amish, but that I should talk to Noonan because he has treated so many

> Amish

> for so long.

> Based on my reporting so far, there is evidence of only three or

> possibly four Amish with autism in Lancaster County, where there should be

> dozens at the 1-in-166 prevalence in society at large. One of them is the

> adopted Chinese child. Another was described as having " a clear vaccine

> reaction " at 15 months, after which she became autistic. I have not met

> that

> child and can't vouch for that description.

> When I called Noonan three weeks ago, he seemed surprised by my

> question about Amish autism but agreed to think about it, check around and

> tell me what he found. At lunch, Noonan said he hesitated to offer an

> opinion when I first called because it had never occurred to him.

> But now, he said, he realized something.

> " I have not seen autism with the Amish, " Noonan told me. " And I say

> that having seen a ton of Amish patients. I may be able to think in all

> those years of maybe one case of (Amish) autism I've had. "

> " I've checked with some of my colleagues, " he added, " and they all

> tell me it's very, very sporadic that we'll see a case of autism among the

> Amish. "

> From 2000 to 2003, Noonan also saw patients at the Wellness Center,

> which is operated by the Amish and Mennonites. About 90 percent of those

> patients are Amish, Noonan said, and he saw thousands of them. But still

> he

> saw no autism.

> " Absolutely none, in the almost three years I was there. We would

> have

> seen it. It's not something they would hide. They're not like that. "

> Noonan said he sees " a fair amount of mental retardation among the

> Amish. " A significant percentage of people with autism have mental

> retardation as well as severe speech and hearing problems. Wouldn't they

> show up on the radar of those who track and treat such issues? And

> wouldn't

> autistic Amish see Noonan for the same inevitable illnesses and injuries

> that bring the rest of their family to him? I tried various ways to find

> gaps in Noonan's account. Perhaps autistic Amish children were seeing

> pediatricians or specialists as opposed to family doctors ...

> " The Amish don't go to specialists like we do, " he responded. " The

> Amish go to family docs for all their pediatric care. So at least in

> Lancaster County, where I practice, almost all pediatrics among the Amish

> is

> done by family docs. "

> " You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism, "

> Noonan said. " We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none.

> And

> that's just the way it is. "

> In my last column, I said this interview was a tipping point between

> absence-of-evidence (not finding many autistic Amish) and

> evidence-of-absence (finding there might not be many).

> The case is still open, but does anyone disagree that Dr. Noonan

> makes

> a compelling witness? -- (Researcher Pearson contributed to this

> story.) -- This series on the roots and rise of autism aims to be

> interactive with readers and will take note of comments, criticism and

> suggestions. e-mail: dolmsted@...

> * * *

>

> EVENTS

>

> Temple Grandin Believes In Microenterprise & Generating Income For People

> With Autism

> La Casa Center for Autism on May 22 and May 23, promote positive ideas

> that

> will help those with autism in the San Diego community develop a

> satisfying

> and productive life.

>

> From an organization announcement.

>

> San Diego, CA - Temple Grandin, Ph.D is a well-known author (Animals

> in Translation, Thinking in Pictures, Developing Talents) and designer of

> animal movement systems. Temple also has autism, and believes that " Work

> is

> more than just a livelihood or a paycheck; it is the key to a satisfying

> and

> productive life. For many on the autism spectrum, it is the glue that

> keeps

> our lives together in an otherwise confusing world. Certainly, my life

> would

> not be worth living if I did not have intellectually satisfying work. "

> Temple believes that conferences such as Micro-enterprise:

> Generating

> Income being held by La Casa Center for Autism on May 22 and May 23,

> promote

> positive ideas that will help those with autism in the San Diego community

> develop a satisfying and productive life. " Unfortunately, most children

> with

> autism grow up to become unemployed or underemployed adults dependent on

> the

> system. Micro-enterprise is a way for people with autism to make income

> based on their interests, " says La Casa President and local autism expert,

> Chantal Sicile-Kira. " Micro-enterprise reflects La Casa's mission to

> foster

> the independent lifestyles of individuals with autism. "

> La Casa is scheduling the same conference on both days and charging a

> minimal fee to make it affordable for those who are interested in

> attending.

> The 'Micro-enterprise: Generating Income' conferences will inform parents

> and support service agencies on the concept of small business ownership

> for

> individuals with autism spectrum disorders. A second conference, scheduled

> for the fall of 2005, will assist those individuals with autism who have

> expressed an interest in starting on the road to maximizing their talents

> to

> generate income.

> La Casa Center for Autism was founded by Farmer of ACES along

> with Chad and Mooney. Chad and have co-chaired the primary

> fundraiser, La Casa/Crosby Golf Classic for the past 2 years which has

> been

> paramount in establishing our programs to benefit individuals with autism.

> To register for the conference or for more information, contact Trish

> Marshall, Director of Development at (858)759-1852 or email

> lacasacfa@.... To learn more about La Casa, please visit our web site

> at

> www.lacasacenterforautism.com.

> * * *

>

> Autism Group in Australia Highlights Work Integration Difficulties

>

> http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200505/1364904.htm?riverina

>

> AEST - Autism advocates are warning the push to get more people with

> disabilities into the workplace will be a difficult task.

> The Government says stricter requirements for the disability pension

> will allow more people who want to work to do so.

> But Dr Trevor e from Autism Spectrum Australia says only 2 per

> cent of adults with high functioning autism have been successfully

> integrated into work.

> He says it will take a lot more than pension reform to increase the

> number of disabled people in the workplace.

> " To make that transition into the... workplace they need a great deal

> of guided, very gradual support. I guess, unfortunately, there's not the

> recognition from governments of really the high level of funding that is

> required and the high level of support, " he said.

> * * *

>

> TREATMENT

>

> Demand for Organic Foods Soaring

>

> By Rick Callahan, Associated Press WriterMon May 9, 1:57 AM ET

> http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/business/11599663.htm

>

> Dairy cows munch lazily on a grassy hilltop overlooking Traders Point

> Creamery as 23-year-old Marc Murnane strides into the organic creamery's

> store in search of chocolate milk - lots of it.

> In short order, he loads 12 one-quart bottles, at $3.50 each, into a

> box bound for Chicago, where his girlfriend's father is among the growing

> number of Americans who've developed a taste for organic foods.

> " He just loves the chocolate milk - and it really is the best stuff

> I've ever had, " Murnane says, describing the rich blend of sweet milk from

> grass-fed cows, organic sugar and cocoa.

> The farm northwest of Indianapolis is part of a nationwide move to

> put

> organic foods in consumers' reach.

> Nationwide, the market for organic foods has soared from $3.57

> billion

> in 1997 to $10.38 billion in 2003, according to Organic Trade Association.

> The group predicts sales will reach $14.5 billion by the end of 2005 as

> Americans buy everything from radishes to beef grown without conventional

> pesticides and fertilizers, biotechnology, antibiotics or growth hormones.

> Indiana was late to join the organic food movement, which arose in

> the

> 1960s in response to modern chemical farming, but the state is starting to

> make up lost ground, said Cissy Bowman, executive director of Indiana

> Certified Organic, LLC.

> As the state's only government-approved organic certifier, she has

> given the stamp of approval to more than 50 Hoosier organic farms and

> expects that to double this year.

> Herself an organic farmer, Bowman said the organic market has

> undergone incredible growth since she began raising organic vegetables 20

> years ago on six acres near the Hendricks County town of Clayton.

> " Any food you can think of, you can buy an organic version now. It's

> not just that bag of whole wheat flour on the store shelf anymore, " she

> said.

> Traders Point Creamery delivers to about 70 area stores, with weekly

> shipments to Chicago-area stores, but demand often outpaces supply,

> particularly during the winter and summer.

> " The cows can't keep up. We sell pretty much everything we produce, "

> said Robb, the creamery's manager of business development.

> Greene, an agricultural economist with the U.S. Department of

> Agriculture's Economic Research Service, said the retail market for

> organic

> foods continues to grow about 20 percent each year.

> Most people buy organic out of health concerns, she said. Some want

> to

> support environmentally friendly farms, but for others, it's a quest for

> food with superior taste and nutrition.

> " Whether the food tastes better or not is kind of subjective, but

> whether it's more nutritious is something researchers are just starting to

> study, " Greene said.

> According to the USDA, certified organic cropland in the United

> States

> grew nearly 75 percent between 1997 and 2001, the last year for which

> figures are available, and accounted for more than 2.3 million acres in

> 2001.

> The USDA found an estimated 4,175 acres of certified organic cropland

> in Indiana in 2001, but Bowman said the 54 organic farms she's certified

> in

> the state account for only about 2,370 acres.

> Barbara Haumann, a senior writer with the Organic Trade Association,

> said there is no clear gauge of the nation's organic agriculture industry.

> " The numbers are quite hazy, " she said. " The government just needs to do

> some better tracking. "

> Although organic foods can cost two to three times more than their

> conventionally raised alternatives, Corinne , a Purdue University

> assistant professor of agricultural economics, said people, herself

> included, are willing to pay.

> " I like the idea that right now the organic farmers are being

> rewarded

> with premium prices for their hard work. It's really backbreaking work, "

> she

> said.

> Traders Point Creamery's 140 acres of pastures are planted with a mix

> of grasses and meadow plants that make its milk superior to that produced

> by

> grain-fed cows, said Robb.

> The pastures are enriched with natural compost and by tilling under

> cover crops. The nutrient-rich droppings from the 60 Brown Swiss dairy

> cows

> also help green the fields, he said.

> The fields thrive, Robb said, because they work in concert with

> nature.

> " The soil is a really a living entity, and chemicals kill all the

> good

> things in the soil when what we really need to be doing is stimulating

> those, " he said.

> [Thanks to Nanstiel.]

> * * *

>

> MEDIA

>

> " Autism is a World " -CNN 1 Hour Film

> CNN Presents...

> http://blogs.indiewire.com/steve.rosenbaum/archives/003769.html

>

> Sue Rubin is the kind of person you want to hang out with. She's

> funny. She's smart. And she's had more than her share of challenges in her

> life. She's afraid to walk over thresholds in doorways, she always carries

> a

> pair of plastic spoons in her hand, and she on occasion has wild

> outbursts.

> Susie - as her parents call her - narrates a film that will premier

> on

> CNN on May 22nd. She's written the narration herself, and the honesty and

> raw emotion of how the world looks through her eyes is riveting.

> The fact that CNN has devoted an hour of prime time to Susie Rubin's

> story is extraordinary. She's not famous. She hasn't been the victim of a

> crime. What is important about her is her point of view.

> Oh, did i mention that Susie wrote the narration, but didn't record

> the voice for the film? That's because she doesn't speak very well. In

> fact,

> she mostly communicates with a keyboard.

> Susie has Autism. And this is her World.

> top.autism.world.jpg The film is called " Autism is a World " - and it

> is presented as part of the series CNN Presents, Sunday May 22nd at 8pm.

> I had a chance to go to an advance screening and it's an exciting

> peek

> at some of the new voices coming out of CNN.

> The film is directed by Gerardine Wurzburg, and Hyde was the

> Supervising Producer for the program. CNN US President Jon Klein

> introduced

> the screening - reminding audience members that he began his career in

> Documentary, and CNN's Sid Bedingfield moderated a remarkable question and

> answer period with Susie after the screening.

> But - back to the movie: Autism is a disease that is difficult to

> diagnose, and until recently it was assumed that most if not all autistics

> were mentally retarded. She was diagnosed and treated as mentally retarded

> until she was 13. Her mother - an amazing force of nature - then began to

> use facilitated communication (aids with a keyboard) and within MONTHS she

> was communicating in full sentences. As Susie explains it " I woke up. "

> Wow.

> The compassion of the filmmaker, the intimacy of the camera, and the

> voice of the film make this a surprisingly engaging and hypnotic

> experience.

> I say surprising, because the experience is very much like the one you

> might

> have if you saw Susie on the street.

> Her appearance would catch your eye - but then you might look away.

> You might make assumptions about who she is, what she's thinking - or if

> she's thinking in the way you and I do.

> The film invites you to look closely, to look beyond the surface, and

> listen to her voice. The fact that she kicked my but on the SAT's,

> graduated

> high school with a 9.8 gpa, and and can hunt and peck a searingly funny

> one-liner are all part of the journey that reveals itself. (ok, didn't

> just

> kick my but - but sitting in the audience, i felt like her grades -

> against

> such odds - was a personal charge to make sure i was using my gifts of

> speech and a health body as effectively as she has used her challenged

> frame.) Autism is a World premieres on CNN Presents Sunday, May 22nd at

> 8pm

> ET CREDITS: Lensed in and around Whittier, CA where Sue makes her home,

> Autism Is A World was produced by State of the Art, Inc. and

> Producer/Director Gerardine Wurzburg, Co-Producer Biklen,

> Associate

> Producer Elissa Ewalt, Supervising Producer Hyde, Executive

> Director Jody Gottlieb, Managing Editor Kathy Slobogin and Executive

> Producer Sid Bedingfield.

> * * *

>

> COMMENTARY

>

> Student Wishes Everyone Would Be Treated Equally

>

> By Missy Everson, Paynesville, Minnesota.

> http://www.paynesvillearea.com/news/headlinesarticles/511eversonessay.html

>

> I've had people shove and hit me and call me names. If they would

> only

> know how that hurts my feelings. I can't help how I am because I was born

> autistic. Autism is a mental disorder that children are born with. It is a

> disorder of body chemistry.

> I wish I was like all the other kids, I would really like to have

> lots

> of friends. I wish I didn't struggle in my classes in school and have to

> be

> in Special Ed. I get teased a lot in school and get called names like

> retarded. This makes me feel sad.

> When I was eight and a half my younger brother, who is also autistic,

> poked me in the eye and damaged my eye, so I had to wear a patch on my eye

> after surgery. Kids at school teased me about it.

> When I go to lunch I sit by myself. I don't like to get teased, so I

> like to sit all by myself at a different table and eat and enjoy my

> delicious food.

> I have special needs. People help me with my work; it makes me happy

> when they help me.

> Sometimes when I get excited I feel very energetic and happy. I show

> it in a different way than other kids do. Sometimes other kids laugh at me

> because of how I show my feelings. This makes me sad.

> When I am happy I like to sing and skip. Sometimes on the school bus

> I

> see people laughing at me. Kids make fun of me on the bus. I don't like to

> ride the bus sometimes. They tease me by calling me the wrong name. They

> call me retarded, and that's not my name.

> When I get teased a lot, sometimes I act bad because it makes me

> upset, and that is how I know how to deal with it. I wish I could behave

> like the other kids.

> I have Luther Social Services help me every weekday. They help me

> with

> things like cooking, cleaning, helping with homework and going out in the

> community. They help me learn things I don't know how to do.

> I feel this is discrimination because of Article 1, Right to

> Equality.

> When children are born they are free and each should be treated in the

> same

> way. They have reasons and conscience and should act towards one another

> in

> a friendly manner.

> I feel we could correct the way people treat handicapped children and

> adults by talking to people and let them know how they are hurting other

> people. It's not okay to do this to people. Some people that are mentally

> handicapped hate coming to school because they get teased every day.

> Everyone has equal rights and should be treated the same. It makes me

> upset

> when kids think they're better than I am.

> When I go to school I get aides to work with me in school. I feel

> happy when aides help me in school. We are what we are, and that is how

> God

> made us. Some people are luckier than others. Some people are slower than

> others, but it's not our choice how we are born.

> By writing my story I hope it will affect some people. Sometimes I

> wish I could be them and they could be me, so they would know how I feel.

> I

> have feelings, too.

> I wish everyone could be treated equal.

> * * *

>

> LETTERS

>

> Re: Study Refutes Link Between Childhood Vaccinations, Autism

>

> I read with interest the wnbc.com report on the Mayo Clinic study

> purporting to show that the statistics over a period of time refutes any

> connection between vaccines and autism. The wnbc report failed to include

> the following very revealing statement contained in the Mayo Clinic Study

> at

> page 43: " This study shows an increase in the incidence of

> research-identified autism among children in Olmsted County, Minnesota,

> from

> 1976 to 1997. We cannot exclude the possibility that environmental factors

> caused this increase; additional studies are needed to address this

> possibility. "

> One wonders why the quoted statement was not reported by wnbc.com.

> Given this statement about the possibility that environmental exposures

> may

> be implicated in autism to what extent does the Mayo Clinic study truly

> disprove the hypothesis that vaccines are implicated? By the study's

> authors

> own admission, not very much at all. Perhaps the only newsworthy finding

> contained in this Mayo Clinic study is that " additional studies are need

> to

> address [the] possibility " that environmental exposures caused the

> increase

> in autism. The rest is speculation and verges on propaganda.

> - J. Krakow

> * * *

>

> Disturbing Evidence of Harm

>

> I heard Kirby [author of Evidence of Harm] speak last week in

> Costa Mesa. I purchased his book and after reading a few chapters, I have

> had difficulty sleeping. My younger daughter, who was born in 1993 was

> normal. After the vaccinations, she was never the same.

> - Larry

>

>

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> Re: Autistic Man's State Of Mind Key In Trial, Maggi

>

>>From the family of Maggi

>

> Well today, Monday, was the end of testimony for both sides. Rob Gold

> the DA had only one witness and that was the victim, Sara Volp. I was

> expecting her to be emotional, but she was very matter of fact. Obviously

> she has gone on with her life, and I am happy for her. Hopefully in time

> she

> will find a way of forgiving .

> Tomorrow both attorneys will give their closing arguments and then it

> goes to the jury. We are feeling pretty good because the DA did not have

> one

> doctor testify that is competent. And that is because he is not

> competent. A doctor would have looked stupid saying so.

> Please keep in your prayers tonight and tomorrow. Hopefully

> this

> jury will send a message loud and clear to the DA and court and as a

> result

> another family will not be put through this hell.

> and I are doing ok. Neither one of us has had a decent night

> sleep in weeks, but hopefully this nightmare will end soon.

> - Joan Maggi

>

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