Re: Gail/Timeout, etc.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

First of all, I was just thinking about you and Donna with the Pica

issue. Ran across a magazine SELF, Jan. 1004. Eat-Right Intelligence

by Joyce Slaton

Titled: You eat what?

This is aimed towards supposedly nuero-typical people. So yep y'all

were in my thoughts as y'all have to deal with this. How is Seth

coming along with this?

On the future visit, if Charlyne still has her doors open for some

company with weather permitting and everyones timing works out.

Lets see when this will happen. Fingers crossed as soon as we can

escape for an adventureous outing. : )

Good luck with your future meeting. Yep, its how to use the timeout

or turn taking. The caseworker is correct the rule is one minute for

each year of age. In s case this would be 15 minutes of

reinforcement to escape into his own world and make a habit of it

plus it takes time for him to process things. Its just trying to

provide some strategies of transition warnings.

Timeouts in the past may have actually reinforced misbehavior as the

child was looking for a " structure " and the timeout gave them that.

Nowadays parents and teachers should be careful with the idea

of " timeouts " as a punishment for autistic kids.

Here is a reproduce article from the Disability Solutions Newsletter.

Children with DS-ASD can learn. Learning may take longer and you may

need to use different teaching strategies that are more explicit and

direct than for other children, but they do learn.

http://www.kennedykrieger.org/kki_misc.jsp?pid=2145

Changing Behavior & Teaching New Skills

by Naomi Swiezy, Ph.D.

Hugs!

Irma,15,DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

Back to this.

Activities and suggestions for facilitating development of the

vestibular system include:

I'll only include this one-

* Do not use time-out from recess or physical education as a

punishment for the child.

This is when sensory issues and behavior are involved. What was the

outcome of it? After this had happened to Seth. Did he learn from

it?

Of course the teacher was only concentrating on one thing and that

was turn-taking. Can't really blame the teacher as we are all

learning how to deal with our kids. With their hearts in the right

places and the best of intentions, teachers who are untrained in

working with the unique needs of an Autism spectrum child use

techniques that simply don't apply to spectrum kids. We struggle to

decide if our children are in the appropriate educational setting,

then we struggle as we release our trust into the hands of teachers

who we hope are serving our child in the finest way. Its getting to

know our kids and work around them. Seth could probably be

taught 'turn taking' during play activities. This is what worked for

its always finding strategies. One of those follow your gut

feeling and glad that you set up the meeting to discuss this.

Hope you get this solved.

Irma,15,DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

Hi Irma,

No, Seth has NO understanding of time-out, yet. He just cried for the 30-40

minutes he couldn't go to gym class. Did he learn from it? Hmmmmmmm,

negative things. LOL I'll ask them if they can't work on turn taking during

other

times, but not when he has his pic in his hand ready to follow his schedule.

Wouldn't you think that would be common sense?

Thanks again Irma,

Gail :-)

Hi Gail,

Back to this.

Activities and suggestions for facilitating development of the

vestibular system include:

I'll only include this one-

* Do not use time-out from recess or physical education as a

punishment for the child.

This is when sensory issues and behavior are involved. What was the

outcome of it? After this had happened to Seth. Did he learn from

it?

Of course the teacher was only concentrating on one thing and that

was turn-taking. Can't really blame the teacher as we are all

learning how to deal with our kids. With their hearts in the right

places and the best of intentions, teachers who are untrained in

working with the unique needs of an Autism spectrum child use

techniques that simply don't apply to spectrum kids. We struggle to

decide if our children are in the appropriate educational setting,

then we struggle as we release our trust into the hands of teachers

who we hope are serving our child in the finest way. Its getting to

know our kids and work around them. Seth could probably be

taught 'turn taking' during play activities. This is what worked for

its always finding strategies. One of those follow your gut

feeling and glad that you set up the meeting to discuss this.

Hope you get this solved.

Irma,15,DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

Thanks Irma,

Put the sites in *favorites* for future reference. They are helpful.

Seth's pica is still in overdrive. Know what I discovered? Every time I move a

piece of furniture, Seth starts eating the walls. Wonder if he can't handle the

change, or if he just sees the *fresh* wall to try? LOL Meeting is in 4

hours, so I hope I can make them understand the time-out issues. Going to be

polite, but firm. ( I hope) LOL

Gail :-)

Hi Gail,

First of all, I was just thinking about you and Donna with the Pica

issue. Ran across a magazine SELF, Jan. 1004. Eat-Right Intelligence

by Joyce Slaton

Titled: You eat what?

This is aimed towards supposedly nuero-typical people. So yep y'all

were in my thoughts as y'all have to deal with this. How is Seth

coming along with this?

On the future visit, if Charlyne still has her doors open for some

company with weather permitting and everyones timing works out.

Lets see when this will happen. Fingers crossed as soon as we can

escape for an adventureous outing. : )

Good luck with your future meeting. Yep, its how to use the timeout

or turn taking. The caseworker is correct the rule is one minute for

each year of age. In s case this would be 15 minutes of

reinforcement to escape into his own world and make a habit of it

plus it takes time for him to process things. Its just trying to

provide some strategies of transition warnings.

Timeouts in the past may have actually reinforced misbehavior as the

child was looking for a " structure " and the timeout gave them that.

Nowadays parents and teachers should be careful with the idea

of " timeouts " as a punishment for autistic kids.

Here is a reproduce article from the Disability Solutions Newsletter.

Children with DS-ASD can learn. Learning may take longer and you may

need to use different teaching strategies that are more explicit and

direct than for other children, but they do learn.

http://www.kennedykrieger.org/kki_misc.jsp?pid=2145

Changing Behavior & Teaching New Skills

by Naomi Swiezy, Ph.D.

Hugs!

Irma,15,DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

Gail,

Looking forward reading an update on this. Fingers crossed that they'll listen

to you and stop punishing Seth for something that they taught him in the first

place. They must try to pre-warn him when a change occurs if possible. It must

be at Seth's level. The crying for 30 minutes, my goodness I wouldn't allow that

at home. Yep, teaching negative behavior will increase some stress and feel

isolated. Just reading how the waiting in line and wanting to go to the gym

seems like positive cooperation which is awesome during transition time between

schedule changes.

Hmm, interesting on what you had discovered with the moving of the furniture and

notice eating the walls. Oh Seth. How is he at school with the Pica issue?

Hugs!

Irma,15,Ds/ASD

Re: Re: Gail/Timeout, etc.

Thanks Irma,

Put the sites in *favorites* for future reference. They are helpful.

Seth's pica is still in overdrive. Know what I discovered? Every time I move

a

piece of furniture, Seth starts eating the walls. Wonder if he can't handle

the

change, or if he just sees the *fresh* wall to try? LOL Meeting is in 4

hours, so I hope I can make them understand the time-out issues. Going to be

polite, but firm. ( I hope) LOL

Gail :-)