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Vilik

I will quote from The Master Cleanser at page 18: " Honey must not be used at

any time internally (in bold type). It is manufactured from the nectar picked

up from the flowers by the bees--good enough in itself, perhaps--then

predigested, vomited and stored for their own future use with a preservative

added. It is deficient in calcium and has many detrimental effects for the

human being. "

" According to one authority, honey is a 'magical and mystical word in

Healthfoodland. It is one of the most overpromoted, overpriced product being

sold to gullible health faddists. The great value attributed to honey is

delusive . . . honey is only a little less empty and more dangerous than

sugar.' "

" Just as with alcohol, honey, being predigested, enters the blood directly,

raising the sugar content very rapidly above normal. To correct this, the

pancreas must produce insulin immediately or possible death can occur. More

insulin than is necessary is likely to be produced, and the blood sugar level

then drops below normal. This can produce blackout spells and even death if

it goes too low. When blood sugar is below normal, a person will feel

depressed. The regular use of honey can create constant imbalances which in

turn will adversely affect the normal function of the liver, pancreas and

spleen. Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia are the results of unbalanced sugars.

The balanced sugar in maple syrup and sugar cane juice causes no dangerous

side effects. All natural fruits and vegetables have balanced sugars in them.

Artificial, synthetic, and refined sugars have no place in a natural diet. "

This was a particularly difficult part of The Master Cleanser philosophy for

me to swallow. I have always enjoyed a spoonful of honey with my tea.

However, without knowing for sure the absolute truth of the above statements,

I have, over the years, lessened my use of honey and increased my use of maple

syrup whenever a natural sweetener is called for. In the case of the

lemonade fast, I don't believe I would substitute honey for maple syrup and

still feel confident of my health for 10 days. Just a personal decision.

By the way, Shayla and I are in Austin, TX. But your psychic skills are

working; I lived in Southern California for 18 years before coming to Austin.

Regards,

Jack

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This is one part of the Master Cleanse book that I now

remember I had a big problem with, and still do.

Honey has been around for thousands of years, and there

are numerous examples of long-lived people who use it

regularly. As with anything else, too much is not good,

but as for fasting, Ghandi fasted with water, and some

lemon and honey added to it, for weeks.

I would agree with the below statements with respect to

commercially processed honey, but certainly raw organic.

Also, for those with certain sugar related problems

(like diabetics), they can usually tolerate Sage and/

or Tupelo, as the dominant sugars in them are levulose

as opposed to sucrose.

I would never presume to tell anyone what they should

or shouldn't take during a fast - well, actually, yes

I would, to an extent (I would presume to tell them not

to drink sodas duting a fast, etc) - but sometimes

people just get a little too far over the edge.

On 11/24/98 7:43 PM, Jawhit007@... said:

>Vilik

>I will quote from The Master Cleanser at page 18: " Honey must not be used at

>any time internally (in bold type). It is manufactured from the nectar picked

>up from the flowers by the bees--good enough in itself, perhaps--then

>predigested, vomited and stored for their own future use with a preservative

>added. It is deficient in calcium and has many detrimental effects for the

>human being. "

>

> " According to one authority, honey is a 'magical and mystical word in

>Healthfoodland. It is one of the most overpromoted, overpriced product being

>sold to gullible health faddists. The great value attributed to honey is

>delusive . . . honey is only a little less empty and more dangerous than

>sugar.' "

>

> " Just as with alcohol, honey, being predigested, enters the blood directly,

>raising the sugar content very rapidly above normal. To correct this, the

>pancreas must produce insulin immediately or possible death can occur. More

>insulin than is necessary is likely to be produced, and the blood sugar level

>then drops below normal. This can produce blackout spells and even death if

>it goes too low. When blood sugar is below normal, a person will feel

>depressed. The regular use of honey can create constant imbalances which in

>turn will adversely affect the normal function of the liver, pancreas and

>spleen. Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia are the results of unbalanced sugars.

>The balanced sugar in maple syrup and sugar cane juice causes no dangerous

>side effects. All natural fruits and vegetables have balanced sugars in

>them.

>Artificial, synthetic, and refined sugars have no place in a natural diet. "

>

>This was a particularly difficult part of The Master Cleanser philosophy for

>me to swallow. I have always enjoyed a spoonful of honey with my tea.

>However, without knowing for sure the absolute truth of the above statements,

>I have, over the years, lessened my use of honey and increased my use of

>maple

>syrup whenever a natural sweetener is called for. In the case of the

>lemonade fast, I don't believe I would substitute honey for maple syrup and

>still feel confident of my health for 10 days. Just a personal decision.

>

>By the way, Shayla and I are in Austin, TX. But your psychic skills are

>working; I lived in Southern California for 18 years before coming to Austin.

>

>Regards,

>Jack

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My grandfather swore putting honey on a sock and then putting it on his neck

(back of it) helped tremendously. I tried it once--yuck. But hey, whatever.

<< I don't know. In my natural healing book, it says that honey is is made

up of

35% protein and contains half of all the amino acids. It is a highly

concentrated

source of many essential nutrients, including large amounts of carbohydrates,

some minerals, B-complex vitamins, and vitamins C, D, & E. It us used to

promote energy and healing. It is a natural antiseptic and makes a good

salve for burns and wounds.

>>

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hello cliff....have not been feeling too well today...have a bad cold and

this weather doesnt help...one day its nince and the next day we are

getting snow....wish it would make up its mind......write soon...love to

you snd your family......pat. god bless you my angel.....

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Thanks for you comments, Cliff.

Just one last word on this subject, since Cliff mentioned organic honey. He

is right. I don't know how the bees could distinguish the organic fields

from the inoganic fields. A few years ago a beekeeper went to the Arctic and

gathered honey from the abundance of wild flowers there, in their short

summer. That would be as close to organic honey as one could get,

considering that there might be pollution in the air and the rain even up

there. Bees will fly up to 7 mililes for nectar, but they will return with

no payload, but three miles will make it pay for them a bit more. So with

such a wide range of honey plants available, and the diversity of opinions

from farmers on what constitutes organic methods, and the mix of organic and

inorganic grown plants in that area, I would agree with Cliff that there is

no such thing a completely organic honey. But honey is certainly still the

preferred sweet for healthy nutrition. One could also include pure maple

syrup along with honey. My experience has shown that honey, being a

concentated natural sugar, has posed no health threat to my many customers

who have eaten my honey for decades. Moderation is the key to consumption of

all foods. I would not recommend even honey for diabetics or age-onset

diabetes ( insulin resistance), though some say they can eat honey.

B.

Honey

> Hey,

>

> compared to I am a rank amateur.

>

> However, when bees fly out to get honey they get it from wherever the

supply

> is most attractive. There is, in my estimation, no such thing as organic

> honey.

>

> My honey processing [i am in the process of hanging up my smoker and hive

> tool as well] consists of letting the honey settle about 3 days in a

> stainless steel tank and draining it out the bottom.

>

> If I can't sell it before it crystalizes I put it in a water bath at 125

> degrees and liquify it. Then I sell it.

>

> worked at it and made a living. I made about 10 cents an hour in the

> few good years but I enjoyed it. Other years it was a tax deduction. It

> kept me off the couch when I retired as a school counselor.

>

> Cliff

>

> Cliff

>

>

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Thanks for you comments, Cliff.

Just one last word on this subject, since Cliff mentioned organic honey. He

is right. I don't know how the bees could distinguish the organic fields

from the inoganic fields. A few years ago a beekeeper went to the Arctic and

gathered honey from the abundance of wild flowers there, in their short

summer. That would be as close to organic honey as one could get,

considering that there might be pollution in the air and the rain even up

there. Bees will fly up to 7 mililes for nectar, but they will return with

no payload, but three miles will make it pay for them a bit more. So with

such a wide range of honey plants available, and the diversity of opinions

from farmers on what constitutes organic methods, and the mix of organic and

inorganic grown plants in that area, I would agree with Cliff that there is

no such thing a completely organic honey. But honey is certainly still the

preferred sweet for healthy nutrition. One could also include pure maple

syrup along with honey. My experience has shown that honey, being a

concentated natural sugar, has posed no health threat to my many customers

who have eaten my honey for decades. Moderation is the key to consumption of

all foods. I would not recommend even honey for diabetics or age-onset

diabetes ( insulin resistance), though some say they can eat honey.

B.

Honey

> Hey,

>

> compared to I am a rank amateur.

>

> However, when bees fly out to get honey they get it from wherever the

supply

> is most attractive. There is, in my estimation, no such thing as organic

> honey.

>

> My honey processing [i am in the process of hanging up my smoker and hive

> tool as well] consists of letting the honey settle about 3 days in a

> stainless steel tank and draining it out the bottom.

>

> If I can't sell it before it crystalizes I put it in a water bath at 125

> degrees and liquify it. Then I sell it.

>

> worked at it and made a living. I made about 10 cents an hour in the

> few good years but I enjoyed it. Other years it was a tax deduction. It

> kept me off the couch when I retired as a school counselor.

>

> Cliff

>

> Cliff

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

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--Mmm... " Yummy honey in my tummy " as Pooh bear would say, lol

Why would it be ok in the cooking if not fresh? because the sugars

would be broken down?

Any particular method of cooking with it? Amber will be pleased

lol. Eileen.

- In , " andrew " <alevin@i...> wrote:

> i bought some very nice tarkine rain forest honey comb.........

> > probably as unprocessed and unpolluted as you can

get..............

>

> anyway i notice that if you take a spoonfull you can feel the

> immeadiate increase in acidity on the teeth as the plaque pick up

on > the superabundance of the sugars........

>

> > > this honey i felt did turn stomach flora the wrong

> way .................................. so imo honey is better

> excluded though small amounts in cooking etc may be

> ok.................................

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In a message dated 12/12/2004 10:06:07 AM Central Standard Time,

writes:

My father died of diabetes, so I haven't had sugar since about 1980 and I

was very fearful of honey. But it seems that unheated honey (I'm not using

the word " raw " because that is sometimes used by companies, legally, when

they do in fact heat their honey) is a very different product than the

heated stuff. On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey),

there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can

actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would

think only with the rest of their diet being good.

another amazing thing about honey is that if you have ingested too much for

your body ie pancreas to handle you will throw up. this isn't the case with

sugar itself where instead you suffer far worse consequences in the long run

and long term.

in Christ,

stefanie

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In a message dated 12/12/2004 5:29:35 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not

diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much

better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me

problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less

immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely fructose,

it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's still

sugar.

i need to do as deanna does and specify what i am others am saying and have

said...i responded to the above poster that too much honey makes one vomit...

i also would be concerned about diabetes and any form of sugar which had a

high glycemic index, though it certainly seems to work find for said person

which goes to show you how individual we all are!

in Christ,

stefanie

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Stefanie-

>On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey),

>there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can

>actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would

>think only with the rest of their diet being good.

Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not

diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much

better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me

problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less

immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely fructose,

it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's still sugar.

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> Re: Re:honey

>

>

>

>Stefanie-

>

>>On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey),

>>there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can

>>actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would

>>think only with the rest of their diet being good.

>

>Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not

>diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much

>better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me

>problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less

>immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely

>fructose,

>it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's

>still sugar.

,

Which honey do you find best? I have a huge bucket of really raw honey that

I'm close to finishing and need to order more honey soon. I'm not sure which

is the best. At the time I ordered the RRH I thought it was the best I'd

found. But I've since learned that others have some criticisms of it that

indicate it's not the best available.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

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Suze-

>Which honey do you find best? I have a huge bucket of really raw honey that

>I'm close to finishing and need to order more honey soon. I'm not sure which

>is the best. At the time I ordered the RRH I thought it was the best I'd

>found. But I've since learned that others have some criticisms of it that

>indicate it's not the best available.

The best honey that I personally know of and have tried is YS Organic.

http://www.ysorganic.com/

That said, having as much trouble with sugar as I do, I don't consume a lot

of bee products (I use a little honey for curing meat and fish and for a

once-in-a-blue-moon treat, and I do sometimes eat some bee pollen) so there

might be better alternatives. I will say that their honey is excellent,

though, and I found it interesting that I could make pickled salmon (the NT

recipe) with Really Raw Honey but not with YS Organic. The YS Organic was

sufficiently antimicrobial to prevent the required fermentation, whereas

the Really Raw just served as bacteria food.

-

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> RE: Re:honey

>

>

>The best honey that I personally know of and have tried is YS Organic.

>

>http://www.ysorganic.com/

>

>That said, having as much trouble with sugar as I do, I don't

>consume a lot

>of bee products (I use a little honey for curing meat and fish and for a

>once-in-a-blue-moon treat, and I do sometimes eat some bee pollen)

>so there

>might be better alternatives. I will say that their honey is excellent,

>though, and I found it interesting that I could make pickled

>salmon (the NT

>recipe) with Really Raw Honey but not with YS Organic. The YS Organic was

>sufficiently antimicrobial to prevent the required fermentation, whereas

>the Really Raw just served as bacteria food.

Oh, that explains why my stuff seems to ferment with RRH in it. Do you know

for sure that the YS honey is not at all heat-treated? Does it have the

various layers that untreated honey has with the more liquidy stuf at the

bottom and solid stuff at the top?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

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>Oh, that explains why my stuff seems to ferment with RRH in it. Do you know

>for sure that the YS honey is not at all heat-treated? Does it have the

>various layers that untreated honey has with the more liquidy stuf at the

>bottom and solid stuff at the top?

The last time I spoke to them, they swore it was completely unheated. It

did, as I recall, have some somewhat different layers, but since then it's

been inadvertently heated in my own apartment just by virtue of being

exposed to a hot summer. On their site their honey is currently described

as " raw, unprocessed, unpasteurized, unheated, kosher " , with organic honey

being one option. They have some literature on their site about their honey.

Like I said, I don't know whether YS Organic is the be-all and end-all of

honey, just that from my relatively limited experience it's very, very

good, and much better than RRH.

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> RE: Re:honey

>

>

>

>

>

>[sF] Which honey do you find best?

>

>

>I _adore_ the utterly raw honey from Todd and company at

>http://www.honeygardens.com/! I've become a happy repeat customer, and I

>can also recommend their honey-based " medicinals " like their elderberry

>syrup. Good stuff, good people!

>

>

>

This looks like good stuff, ! Thanks for the heads up.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

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Have you tried tupelo honey?

CF Beaver <fletcher@...> wrote:[sF] Which honey do you find best?

I _adore_ the utterly raw honey from Todd and company at

http://www.honeygardens.com/! I've become a happy repeat customer, and I can

also recommend their honey-based " medicinals " like their elderberry syrup. Good

stuff, good people!

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I generally do that first before asking questions but since you knew

type of glucose in guave nectar off the top of your head, I figured

you might know honey.

May I ask how you found that information on guave nectar and that

would give me some idea of where I could find it for honey info on

Google. It sounds like something hard to find.

Thanks

> > Bee,> Do you know what kind of sugar honey is? I know it isn't

> allowed but > just wondering.> Barb

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Tea Tree Oil is wretched tasting stuff which I will use on my gums

only when all else has failed. I sure would not want to pay a high

price for honey from flowers of the tea tree plant unless I could

taste a sample first.

Alobar

On 7/6/07, Shalom <Sstuck@...> wrote:

> no I live in connecticut, but the tea tree in new zealand has real good

healing properties. I do buy local honey as well.

> Shalom

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Liz,

From what I understand....isn't it all raw???

We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they

showed the honeycombs, how

the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it

was just poured into the jars!

THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the

extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized

and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!!

Jess

On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

>

> My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is

> better...pasterized or unpasteurized?

>

>

>

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I thought that it was pasteurized and that's why The Maker's Diet

(there's that book again!) recommends raw. (But then again, honey

jars always say not to give honey to kids under the age of one

because of possible Clostridia.)

I've been buying the Really Raw Honey brand at the local health food

store to add to my kid's smoothies. It's unheated and unstrained,

solid rather than liquid, and supposed to contain lots of nutrients

and enzymes.

Vicki

> >

> > My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know

which is

> > better...pasterized or unpasteurized?

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No, most of it is pasturized. To go as organic as possible, you are looking for

the white solid non-pasturized honey. We tried this for a while. It is pretty

good...

Janice

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Liz,

From what I understand....isn't it all raw???

We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they

showed the honeycombs, how

the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it

was just poured into the jars!

THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the

extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized

and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!!

Jess

On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

>

> My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is

> better...pasterized or unpasteurized?

>

>

>

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My confusion comes from only finding raw in the store but reading we

should only use pasteurized with little ones. I am just so scared to

create new gut stuff by getting it wrong.

Dion wrote:

>Liz,

>>From what I understand....isn't it all raw???

>We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they

>showed the honeycombs, how

>the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it

>was just poured into the jars!

>THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the

>extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized

>and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!!

>

>Jess

>

>On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote:

>

>

>> My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is

>>better...pasterized or unpasteurized?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

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