Guest guest Posted November 24, 1998 Report Share Posted November 24, 1998 Vilik I will quote from The Master Cleanser at page 18: " Honey must not be used at any time internally (in bold type). It is manufactured from the nectar picked up from the flowers by the bees--good enough in itself, perhaps--then predigested, vomited and stored for their own future use with a preservative added. It is deficient in calcium and has many detrimental effects for the human being. " " According to one authority, honey is a 'magical and mystical word in Healthfoodland. It is one of the most overpromoted, overpriced product being sold to gullible health faddists. The great value attributed to honey is delusive . . . honey is only a little less empty and more dangerous than sugar.' " " Just as with alcohol, honey, being predigested, enters the blood directly, raising the sugar content very rapidly above normal. To correct this, the pancreas must produce insulin immediately or possible death can occur. More insulin than is necessary is likely to be produced, and the blood sugar level then drops below normal. This can produce blackout spells and even death if it goes too low. When blood sugar is below normal, a person will feel depressed. The regular use of honey can create constant imbalances which in turn will adversely affect the normal function of the liver, pancreas and spleen. Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia are the results of unbalanced sugars. The balanced sugar in maple syrup and sugar cane juice causes no dangerous side effects. All natural fruits and vegetables have balanced sugars in them. Artificial, synthetic, and refined sugars have no place in a natural diet. " This was a particularly difficult part of The Master Cleanser philosophy for me to swallow. I have always enjoyed a spoonful of honey with my tea. However, without knowing for sure the absolute truth of the above statements, I have, over the years, lessened my use of honey and increased my use of maple syrup whenever a natural sweetener is called for. In the case of the lemonade fast, I don't believe I would substitute honey for maple syrup and still feel confident of my health for 10 days. Just a personal decision. By the way, Shayla and I are in Austin, TX. But your psychic skills are working; I lived in Southern California for 18 years before coming to Austin. Regards, Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1998 Report Share Posted November 25, 1998 This is one part of the Master Cleanse book that I now remember I had a big problem with, and still do. Honey has been around for thousands of years, and there are numerous examples of long-lived people who use it regularly. As with anything else, too much is not good, but as for fasting, Ghandi fasted with water, and some lemon and honey added to it, for weeks. I would agree with the below statements with respect to commercially processed honey, but certainly raw organic. Also, for those with certain sugar related problems (like diabetics), they can usually tolerate Sage and/ or Tupelo, as the dominant sugars in them are levulose as opposed to sucrose. I would never presume to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't take during a fast - well, actually, yes I would, to an extent (I would presume to tell them not to drink sodas duting a fast, etc) - but sometimes people just get a little too far over the edge. On 11/24/98 7:43 PM, Jawhit007@... said: >Vilik >I will quote from The Master Cleanser at page 18: " Honey must not be used at >any time internally (in bold type). It is manufactured from the nectar picked >up from the flowers by the bees--good enough in itself, perhaps--then >predigested, vomited and stored for their own future use with a preservative >added. It is deficient in calcium and has many detrimental effects for the >human being. " > > " According to one authority, honey is a 'magical and mystical word in >Healthfoodland. It is one of the most overpromoted, overpriced product being >sold to gullible health faddists. The great value attributed to honey is >delusive . . . honey is only a little less empty and more dangerous than >sugar.' " > > " Just as with alcohol, honey, being predigested, enters the blood directly, >raising the sugar content very rapidly above normal. To correct this, the >pancreas must produce insulin immediately or possible death can occur. More >insulin than is necessary is likely to be produced, and the blood sugar level >then drops below normal. This can produce blackout spells and even death if >it goes too low. When blood sugar is below normal, a person will feel >depressed. The regular use of honey can create constant imbalances which in >turn will adversely affect the normal function of the liver, pancreas and >spleen. Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia are the results of unbalanced sugars. >The balanced sugar in maple syrup and sugar cane juice causes no dangerous >side effects. All natural fruits and vegetables have balanced sugars in >them. >Artificial, synthetic, and refined sugars have no place in a natural diet. " > >This was a particularly difficult part of The Master Cleanser philosophy for >me to swallow. I have always enjoyed a spoonful of honey with my tea. >However, without knowing for sure the absolute truth of the above statements, >I have, over the years, lessened my use of honey and increased my use of >maple >syrup whenever a natural sweetener is called for. In the case of the >lemonade fast, I don't believe I would substitute honey for maple syrup and >still feel confident of my health for 10 days. Just a personal decision. > >By the way, Shayla and I are in Austin, TX. But your psychic skills are >working; I lived in Southern California for 18 years before coming to Austin. > >Regards, >Jack Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 My grandfather swore putting honey on a sock and then putting it on his neck (back of it) helped tremendously. I tried it once--yuck. But hey, whatever. << I don't know. In my natural healing book, it says that honey is is made up of 35% protein and contains half of all the amino acids. It is a highly concentrated source of many essential nutrients, including large amounts of carbohydrates, some minerals, B-complex vitamins, and vitamins C, D, & E. It us used to promote energy and healing. It is a natural antiseptic and makes a good salve for burns and wounds. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 hello cliff....have not been feeling too well today...have a bad cold and this weather doesnt help...one day its nince and the next day we are getting snow....wish it would make up its mind......write soon...love to you snd your family......pat. god bless you my angel..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Thanks for you comments, Cliff. Just one last word on this subject, since Cliff mentioned organic honey. He is right. I don't know how the bees could distinguish the organic fields from the inoganic fields. A few years ago a beekeeper went to the Arctic and gathered honey from the abundance of wild flowers there, in their short summer. That would be as close to organic honey as one could get, considering that there might be pollution in the air and the rain even up there. Bees will fly up to 7 mililes for nectar, but they will return with no payload, but three miles will make it pay for them a bit more. So with such a wide range of honey plants available, and the diversity of opinions from farmers on what constitutes organic methods, and the mix of organic and inorganic grown plants in that area, I would agree with Cliff that there is no such thing a completely organic honey. But honey is certainly still the preferred sweet for healthy nutrition. One could also include pure maple syrup along with honey. My experience has shown that honey, being a concentated natural sugar, has posed no health threat to my many customers who have eaten my honey for decades. Moderation is the key to consumption of all foods. I would not recommend even honey for diabetics or age-onset diabetes ( insulin resistance), though some say they can eat honey. B. Honey > Hey, > > compared to I am a rank amateur. > > However, when bees fly out to get honey they get it from wherever the supply > is most attractive. There is, in my estimation, no such thing as organic > honey. > > My honey processing [i am in the process of hanging up my smoker and hive > tool as well] consists of letting the honey settle about 3 days in a > stainless steel tank and draining it out the bottom. > > If I can't sell it before it crystalizes I put it in a water bath at 125 > degrees and liquify it. Then I sell it. > > worked at it and made a living. I made about 10 cents an hour in the > few good years but I enjoyed it. Other years it was a tax deduction. It > kept me off the couch when I retired as a school counselor. > > Cliff > > Cliff > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Thanks for you comments, Cliff. Just one last word on this subject, since Cliff mentioned organic honey. He is right. I don't know how the bees could distinguish the organic fields from the inoganic fields. A few years ago a beekeeper went to the Arctic and gathered honey from the abundance of wild flowers there, in their short summer. That would be as close to organic honey as one could get, considering that there might be pollution in the air and the rain even up there. Bees will fly up to 7 mililes for nectar, but they will return with no payload, but three miles will make it pay for them a bit more. So with such a wide range of honey plants available, and the diversity of opinions from farmers on what constitutes organic methods, and the mix of organic and inorganic grown plants in that area, I would agree with Cliff that there is no such thing a completely organic honey. But honey is certainly still the preferred sweet for healthy nutrition. One could also include pure maple syrup along with honey. My experience has shown that honey, being a concentated natural sugar, has posed no health threat to my many customers who have eaten my honey for decades. Moderation is the key to consumption of all foods. I would not recommend even honey for diabetics or age-onset diabetes ( insulin resistance), though some say they can eat honey. B. Honey > Hey, > > compared to I am a rank amateur. > > However, when bees fly out to get honey they get it from wherever the supply > is most attractive. There is, in my estimation, no such thing as organic > honey. > > My honey processing [i am in the process of hanging up my smoker and hive > tool as well] consists of letting the honey settle about 3 days in a > stainless steel tank and draining it out the bottom. > > If I can't sell it before it crystalizes I put it in a water bath at 125 > degrees and liquify it. Then I sell it. > > worked at it and made a living. I made about 10 cents an hour in the > few good years but I enjoyed it. Other years it was a tax deduction. It > kept me off the couch when I retired as a school counselor. > > Cliff > > Cliff > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 --Mmm... " Yummy honey in my tummy " as Pooh bear would say, lol Why would it be ok in the cooking if not fresh? because the sugars would be broken down? Any particular method of cooking with it? Amber will be pleased lol. Eileen. - In , " andrew " <alevin@i...> wrote: > i bought some very nice tarkine rain forest honey comb......... > > probably as unprocessed and unpolluted as you can get.............. > > anyway i notice that if you take a spoonfull you can feel the > immeadiate increase in acidity on the teeth as the plaque pick up on > the superabundance of the sugars........ > > > > this honey i felt did turn stomach flora the wrong > way .................................. so imo honey is better > excluded though small amounts in cooking etc may be > ok................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 In a message dated 12/12/2004 10:06:07 AM Central Standard Time, writes: My father died of diabetes, so I haven't had sugar since about 1980 and I was very fearful of honey. But it seems that unheated honey (I'm not using the word " raw " because that is sometimes used by companies, legally, when they do in fact heat their honey) is a very different product than the heated stuff. On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey), there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would think only with the rest of their diet being good. another amazing thing about honey is that if you have ingested too much for your body ie pancreas to handle you will throw up. this isn't the case with sugar itself where instead you suffer far worse consequences in the long run and long term. in Christ, stefanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 In a message dated 12/12/2004 5:29:35 PM Central Standard Time, writes: Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely fructose, it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's still sugar. i need to do as deanna does and specify what i am others am saying and have said...i responded to the above poster that too much honey makes one vomit... i also would be concerned about diabetes and any form of sugar which had a high glycemic index, though it certainly seems to work find for said person which goes to show you how individual we all are! in Christ, stefanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Stefanie- >On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey), >there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can >actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would >think only with the rest of their diet being good. Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely fructose, it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's still sugar. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 > Re: Re:honey > > > >Stefanie- > >>On the Really Raw Honey site (theirs is an unheated honey), >>there's a claim that I've read elsewhere--which is that diabetics can >>actually recover and go off insulin by using this stuff!-- though I would >>think only with the rest of their diet being good. > >Based on my personal experience, I'm rather skeptical of this. I'm not >diabetic, but I am very hypoglycemic, and even the best raw honey (much >better than Really Raw brand, though I've also tried that) gives me >problems. One reason honey generally might cause diabetics somewhat less >immediate difficulty than other sweeteners is that, being largely >fructose, >it first has to pass through the liver, but make no mistake, it's >still sugar. , Which honey do you find best? I have a huge bucket of really raw honey that I'm close to finishing and need to order more honey soon. I'm not sure which is the best. At the time I ordered the RRH I thought it was the best I'd found. But I've since learned that others have some criticisms of it that indicate it's not the best available. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Suze- >Which honey do you find best? I have a huge bucket of really raw honey that >I'm close to finishing and need to order more honey soon. I'm not sure which >is the best. At the time I ordered the RRH I thought it was the best I'd >found. But I've since learned that others have some criticisms of it that >indicate it's not the best available. The best honey that I personally know of and have tried is YS Organic. http://www.ysorganic.com/ That said, having as much trouble with sugar as I do, I don't consume a lot of bee products (I use a little honey for curing meat and fish and for a once-in-a-blue-moon treat, and I do sometimes eat some bee pollen) so there might be better alternatives. I will say that their honey is excellent, though, and I found it interesting that I could make pickled salmon (the NT recipe) with Really Raw Honey but not with YS Organic. The YS Organic was sufficiently antimicrobial to prevent the required fermentation, whereas the Really Raw just served as bacteria food. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 > RE: Re:honey > > >The best honey that I personally know of and have tried is YS Organic. > >http://www.ysorganic.com/ > >That said, having as much trouble with sugar as I do, I don't >consume a lot >of bee products (I use a little honey for curing meat and fish and for a >once-in-a-blue-moon treat, and I do sometimes eat some bee pollen) >so there >might be better alternatives. I will say that their honey is excellent, >though, and I found it interesting that I could make pickled >salmon (the NT >recipe) with Really Raw Honey but not with YS Organic. The YS Organic was >sufficiently antimicrobial to prevent the required fermentation, whereas >the Really Raw just served as bacteria food. Oh, that explains why my stuff seems to ferment with RRH in it. Do you know for sure that the YS honey is not at all heat-treated? Does it have the various layers that untreated honey has with the more liquidy stuf at the bottom and solid stuff at the top? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Suze- >Oh, that explains why my stuff seems to ferment with RRH in it. Do you know >for sure that the YS honey is not at all heat-treated? Does it have the >various layers that untreated honey has with the more liquidy stuf at the >bottom and solid stuff at the top? The last time I spoke to them, they swore it was completely unheated. It did, as I recall, have some somewhat different layers, but since then it's been inadvertently heated in my own apartment just by virtue of being exposed to a hot summer. On their site their honey is currently described as " raw, unprocessed, unpasteurized, unheated, kosher " , with organic honey being one option. They have some literature on their site about their honey. Like I said, I don't know whether YS Organic is the be-all and end-all of honey, just that from my relatively limited experience it's very, very good, and much better than RRH. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 [sF] Which honey do you find best? I _adore_ the utterly raw honey from Todd and company at http://www.honeygardens.com/! I've become a happy repeat customer, and I can also recommend their honey-based " medicinals " like their elderberry syrup. Good stuff, good people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 > RE: Re:honey > > > > > >[sF] Which honey do you find best? > > >I _adore_ the utterly raw honey from Todd and company at >http://www.honeygardens.com/! I've become a happy repeat customer, and I >can also recommend their honey-based " medicinals " like their elderberry >syrup. Good stuff, good people! > > > This looks like good stuff, ! Thanks for the heads up. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Have you tried tupelo honey? CF Beaver <fletcher@...> wrote:[sF] Which honey do you find best? I _adore_ the utterly raw honey from Todd and company at http://www.honeygardens.com/! I've become a happy repeat customer, and I can also recommend their honey-based " medicinals " like their elderberry syrup. Good stuff, good people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I generally do that first before asking questions but since you knew type of glucose in guave nectar off the top of your head, I figured you might know honey. May I ask how you found that information on guave nectar and that would give me some idea of where I could find it for honey info on Google. It sounds like something hard to find. Thanks > > Bee,> Do you know what kind of sugar honey is? I know it isn't > allowed but > just wondering.> Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Tea Tree Oil is wretched tasting stuff which I will use on my gums only when all else has failed. I sure would not want to pay a high price for honey from flowers of the tea tree plant unless I could taste a sample first. Alobar On 7/6/07, Shalom <Sstuck@...> wrote: > no I live in connecticut, but the tea tree in new zealand has real good healing properties. I do buy local honey as well. > Shalom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 > > Tea Tree Oil has a really foul chemical odor. So what's all the " rage " about using it in shampoos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Liz, From what I understand....isn't it all raw??? We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they showed the honeycombs, how the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it was just poured into the jars! THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!! Jess On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: > > My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is > better...pasterized or unpasteurized? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I thought that it was pasteurized and that's why The Maker's Diet (there's that book again!) recommends raw. (But then again, honey jars always say not to give honey to kids under the age of one because of possible Clostridia.) I've been buying the Really Raw Honey brand at the local health food store to add to my kid's smoothies. It's unheated and unstrained, solid rather than liquid, and supposed to contain lots of nutrients and enzymes. Vicki > > > > My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is > > better...pasterized or unpasteurized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 No, most of it is pasturized. To go as organic as possible, you are looking for the white solid non-pasturized honey. We tried this for a while. It is pretty good... Janice [sPAM] Re: [ ] Honey Liz, From what I understand....isn't it all raw??? We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they showed the honeycombs, how the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it was just poured into the jars! THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!! Jess On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: > > My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is > better...pasterized or unpasteurized? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 My confusion comes from only finding raw in the store but reading we should only use pasteurized with little ones. I am just so scared to create new gut stuff by getting it wrong. Dion wrote: >Liz, >>From what I understand....isn't it all raw??? >We watched a " reading rainbow " the other day about bees and honey and they >showed the honeycombs, how >the wax is melted off and the honey is drained and centrifuged out. Then it >was just poured into the jars! >THen, my friend's mom owns some hives and I asked her about the >extraction....I even asked if it was pasteurized >and the answer was no. They did it just like the reading rainbow episode!! > >Jess > >On 7/14/07, Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: > > >> My new dietary life requires honey in some things. Anyone know which is >>better...pasterized or unpasteurized? >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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