mycotoxins

August 19, 2009

Raquel,

Thanks for all the great information. I understand about the mycotoxins- am taking out grains and will look at what you recommended. I see that they are a big cause of cancer and eliminating them will be important. Another benefit is the low glucose levels can also help me. I have IR (insulin resistence) which is alot like syndrome X or just one version or cause of syndrome x. My IR may have been the main risk factor that caused my breast cancer (besides the mycotoxins in cereal and grain). So getting glucose in control will help prevent reoccurrence. It could possibly starve the cancer cells of glucose they need also.

If you are more interested, Dr Rind (not my doctor) but a holistic local doctor, has done a recent talk to diabetics (who have IR) who are more likely to get breast cancer. He also does breast thermography that can help assess risk of breast cancer. His website is informative also: www.drrind.com.

So I will research the mycotoxin foods and check out Dr. Kaufman's site.

thanks so much!

LeAnn

starting iodine supplements soon> > > > > > > > > > Hi - I'm new and this is my first post. I have stage 1 breast cancer - so > > far. Surgery will tell more. I want to start the iodine therapy as soon > > as possible. I think I should start slow, then build up to higher doses > > with my doc's permission. What dose do most of you start with- the 12.5 > > mg?> > > > Is the tablet form more tolerated than Lugol's?> > > > LeAnn> >>

August 19, 2009

You're welcome! I'm pretty sure I was getting IR myself but I ditched sugar and grains and take chromium and magnesium (among other things...) which are supposed to help with that.I have an aunt who's diabetic and had b/c and a mastectomy in 2000. Her oldest daughter has PCOS, thanks to which has undergone several surgeries, and had the accompanying diabetes. Once I began learning all kinds of things about the thyroid after I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in 2000 I kept telling her she had thyroid problems but her doctor(s) said no. Then in '07 she found out she had cancerous nodules... that doesn't happen "overnight"! Well, she had a thyrodectomy and underwent one round of RAI despite my warning her about it. She reacted so badly to it that thankfully refused the next round. I gave her a bottle of Lugol's and she went to a naturopath where she lives and hopefully she will beat this.On the 8th was the first anniversary of my Mom's passing due to b/c, she was not diabetic but was "hypo" too and later developed the nodules and had a thyrodectomy too, so as you can see these are subjects of great concern for me too.I've been reading about Dr. Rind since '00, you're lucky to have him in your town, I'd make an appointment with him right away if he were nearby, my adrenals need someone like him! Where can I hear his talk, please?Raquel> > >> > > Steph,> > > > > > I will check out your site for the companion nutrients. I am wondering if I can get a doc to monitor me while I start Iodine. What should I expect starting on 100 mgs? I am fighting some kind of bronchitis or something since June 15. It is holding up the surgery I need - mastectomy. I thought if I could start my own supplementation I could get a start on cancer treatment and stop sitting here doing nothing aggressive - (I have modified my diet alot - gone mostly vegan). I take the diabetes pack of vitamins - plus things for the lung problem I'm having. I am wondering if the cough I have is related to breast cancer spreading. If so, iodine would be very urgent.> > > > > > I found this group by looking at breastcancerchoices.org. I am definitely going to use Lynne's advice on supplements needed. I also have PCO, which puts me at higher than normal risk for breast cancer. I am considering using D-chiro inositol to reduce my insulin resistance - the cause of the breast cancer risk.> > > > > > thanks in advance for any advice,> > > LeAnn> > > starting iodine supplements soon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi - I'm new and this is my first post. I have stage 1 breast cancer - so > > > far. Surgery will tell more. I want to start the iodine therapy as soon > > > as possible. I think I should start slow, then build up to higher doses > > > with my doc's permission. What dose do most of you start with- the 12.5 > > > mg?> > > > > > Is the tablet form more tolerated than Lugol's?> > > > > > LeAnn> > >> >>

August 19, 2009

Raquel,

Here is the link:

http://webcast.you-niversity.com/youtools/companies/viewArchives.asp?affiliateId=19

Click on the first one (3 in the box) labeled Breast Cancer .... Dr. Bruce Rind

A new window will open. First you have to register then click continue. It loads pretty fast. The talk lasts about 40 minutes.

Mainstream doc's probably don't think much of the thermography, so you know this is alternative assessment of breast health. I hope that one day is is commonly accepted and confirmed. I would love to do a scan to see what it looks like prior to my breast surgery. It only costs $75 but it would not be covered by health insurance.

LeAnn

starting iodine supplements soon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi - I'm new and this is my first post. I have stage 1 breast cancer - so > > > far. Surgery will tell more. I want to start the iodine therapy as soon > > > as possible. I think I should start slow, then build up to higher doses > > > with my doc's permission. What dose do most of you start with- the 12.5 > > > mg?> > > > > > Is the tablet form more tolerated than Lugol's?> > > > > > LeAnn> > >> >>

August 20, 2009

Its sounds like your frustrated and maybe a little overwhelmed, which is very

easy to become with all the info out there. Befre you go sounding off on the

Docs that have done more for there patients than you'll ever know. Some Docs

have had to pay thousands in legal fees just to keep doing whats in the best

interests of there patients. I urge you to read Mold warriors.

The good Doc's like Shoemaker and Gray plus many others do take insurance like

medicare, B/C.

Sorry your having a hard time

a

From: ferrellstudio <ferrellstudio@...>

Subject: [] Mycotoxins

Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:25 AM

I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are eating

mycotoxins in their food, than how is that any different from inhaling them from

living in a watered damaged house?

August 20, 2009

Mammograms also give off at minimum 340 rams of radiation about 20 times what a lung xray does. Mammograms also detect cancer very late in at least the 8th year and million cancer cells where thermography can find them up to 5 years earlier and can see the potential for cancer so you know you need to make changes before the cancer even occurs.

Hopefully women will find out from each other because doctors rarely share these newer ideas. Thermography has been more common in some areas for over 20 years overseas but been available in Santa Fe and some other locations for more than a decade. I had my first one done this Spring and it helped me decide what to do with a lump. 80-90% of lumps are benign.Pam

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, latinainwpb2 <latinainwpb2@...> wrote:

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I have had more support from the EI dr than any doc I have ever seen and he was

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From: a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:55:36 PM

Subject: Re: [] Mycotoxins

Its sounds like your frustrated and maybe a little overwhelmed, which is very

easy to become with all the info out there. Befre you go sounding off on the

Docs that have done more for there patients than you'll ever know. Some Docs

have had to pay thousands in legal fees just to keep doing whats in the best

interests of there patients. I urge you to read Mold warriors.

The good Doc's like Shoemaker and Gray plus many others do take insurance like

medicare, B/C.

Sorry your having a hard time

a

From: ferrellstudio <ferrellstudio>

Subject: [] Mycotoxins

Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:25 AM

I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are eating mycotoxins

in their food, than how is that any different from inhaling them from living in

a watered damaged house?

August 21, 2009

At 10:25 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:

> I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are

> eating mycotoxins in their food, than how is that any different

> from inhaling them from living in a watered damaged house?

The digestive system has more protections in place than the lungs.

By protections I mean immune system reactions, and other chemicals.

The lungs have almost zero, just a molecule size limitation.

Anything in the lungs might stay there, a long time.

The nose is close to the brain and molecules can use that pathway.

Also, sublingual under the tongue, is an unprotected path directly

into the blood.

The stomach has bile, HCl acid, at a pH of 2. Not much survives that.

The stomach lining allows only certain nutrient molecules to pass

into the blood,

those tagged by the digestive system set of molecules expressly made for that

purpose. And a lot of other protections.

>being poisoned with mycotoxins.

Correct. And those foods you eat are coated, or have systemic, traces of

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, antibiotics, and heating food creates

toxins, even poisons, at extremely, terribly low dose levels, so there are

many assaults upon one's body via the food you choose to eat.

I choose 98% organic and low heat cooking (under 212 degrees where

water is the primary temperature limiting factor. I've not used an oven

for meat for over a year now, only potatoes and yams.).

>If the food industry has guidelines on the amount of mycotoxins in

>food then why is air quality not regulated as well? Any comments?

Good point. The EPA sets " permissible emissions level " or PEL, and are looking

for scientific studies to set the initial PEL levels for each

mycotoxin. As the

scientific equipment to " capture " mycotoxin molecules was developed in only

the last five years, and only does less than 5% of the types, well, we have a

while for these studies to be first funded, then done, then published, and then

have the EPA review several studies, for each mycotoxin. It's going to take

10-20 years to finish setting PELs for each currently known mycotoxin, imho.

>The Book is titled The Fungal Mycotoxin Etiology of Human Disease

>(FungalBionic Series) by retired head of World Health Organization.

I have to like these " retired " WHO staffers, coming clean, after being

gagged by WHO and the like.

>Also I noted that for as many ways mycotoxins enter our bodies there

>are a number of remedies including vitamins, anti fungal drugs,

>steroids and diet changes to assist them to leave our bodies.

Oh, that would be good to post. I'm interested.

>It appears mycotoxins can be in anyone even if they haven't been in

>a mold infested home. Is my interpretation correct?

Inhale once. It's likely you just inhaled 100 to 10,000 mycotoxin molecules.

No worries though, as your immune can easily handle that level, and you'd

never notice. Why? Well, your body has been doing since you were born.

A long, valid history there.

>And if that is the case are these doctors like shoemaker and others

>who charge outrageous prices and don't accept insurances preying on

>those of us who have " knowingly " been exposed to mycotoxins through

>our learning about them due to our mold infested homes?

And the alternative is they close their doors to seeing such?

Or lower their prices? As I understand it, if I were in those shoes,

my price would be determined by two factors: How much I wanted

to work each day, and supply and demand. Every job has this

going for it.

Though, you might have meant something else?

>And are the regular doctors preying on those who " unknowingly " have

>mycotoxins in them which are mimicking various diseases to also make

>money? It looks like to me people are being exploited in each situation.

You did not mention the medical schools who have refused through 40 years

of knowing about mycotoxins to include them in the curriculum. I think you

might have a point about the school selection criteria, but not the doctors

coming out of the schools. Feedback?

August 21, 2009

Don't forget about endotoxins and other involvements by bacteria

in damp buildings. Some scandinavian researchers think bacteria

is a bigger health threat than the mold. We tend to focus on mold

because with sufficient growth we can see it. Bacteria doesn't

become visible.

As for EPA, despite all their other failings, you can't blame them

for lack of PELs or other regulations for indoor exposures. They

are prohibited by law from setting PELS or establishing

regulations for indoor environments. They can only produce

guidelines and information.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

At 10:25 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:

> I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are

> eating mycotoxins in their food, than how is that any different

> from inhaling them from living in a watered damaged house?

The digestive system has more protections in place than the lungs.

By protections I mean immune system reactions, and other chemicals.

The lungs have almost zero, just a molecule size limitation.

Anything in the lungs might stay there, a long time.

The nose is close to the brain and molecules can use that pathway.

Also, sublingual under the tongue, is an unprotected path directly

into the blood.

The stomach has bile, HCl acid, at a pH of 2. Not much survives that.

The stomach lining allows only certain nutrient molecules to pass

into the blood,

those tagged by the digestive system set of molecules expressly made for

that

purpose. And a lot of other protections.

>being poisoned with mycotoxins.

Correct. And those foods you eat are coated, or have systemic, traces of

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, antibiotics, and heating food creates

toxins, even poisons, at extremely, terribly low dose levels, so there are

many assaults upon one's body via the food you choose to eat.

I choose 98% organic and low heat cooking (under 212 degrees where

water is the primary temperature limiting factor. I've not used an oven

for meat for over a year now, only potatoes and yams.).

>If the food industry has guidelines on the amount of mycotoxins in

>food then why is air quality not regulated as well? Any comments?

Good point. The EPA sets " permissible emissions level " or PEL, and are

looking

for scientific studies to set the initial PEL levels for each

mycotoxin. As the

scientific equipment to " capture " mycotoxin molecules was developed in

only

the last five years, and only does less than 5% of the types, well, we have

a

while for these studies to be first funded, then done, then published, and

then

have the EPA review several studies, for each mycotoxin. It's going to

take

10-20 years to finish setting PELs for each currently known mycotoxin,

imho.

>The Book is titled The Fungal Mycotoxin Etiology of Human Disease

>(FungalBionic Series) by retired head of World Health Organization.

I have to like these " retired " WHO staffers, coming clean, after being

gagged by WHO and the like.

>Also I noted that for as many ways mycotoxins enter our bodies there

>are a number of remedies including vitamins, anti fungal drugs,

>steroids and diet changes to assist them to leave our bodies.

Oh, that would be good to post. I'm interested.

>It appears mycotoxins can be in anyone even if they haven't been in

>a mold infested home. Is my interpretation correct?

Inhale once. It's likely you just inhaled 100 to 10,000 mycotoxin

molecules.

No worries though, as your immune can easily handle that level, and

you'd

never notice. Why? Well, your body has been doing since you were born.

A long, valid history there.

>And if that is the case are these doctors like shoemaker and others

>who charge outrageous prices and don't accept insurances preying on

>those of us who have " knowingly " been exposed to mycotoxins through

>our learning about them due to our mold infested homes?

And the alternative is they close their doors to seeing such?

Or lower their prices? As I understand it, if I were in those shoes,

my price would be determined by two factors: How much I wanted

to work each day, and supply and demand. Every job has this

going for it.

Though, you might have meant something else?

>And are the regular doctors preying on those who " unknowingly " have

>mycotoxins in them which are mimicking various diseases to also make

>money? It looks like to me people are being exploited in each situation.

You did not mention the medical schools who have refused through 40

years

of knowing about mycotoxins to include them in the curriculum. I think

you

might have a point about the school selection criteria, but not the doctors

coming out of the schools. Feedback?

August 21, 2009

At 05:41 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote:

>As for EPA, despite all their other failings, you can't blame them

>for lack of PELs or other regulations for indoor exposures. They

>are prohibited by law from setting PELS or establishing

>regulations for indoor environments. They can only produce

>guidelines and information.

I read that a group of EPA scientists, a union effort perhaps, is

looking to expand EPA to indoors, for homes, and even for

businesses, where public can go, so to not step on OSHA

toes, or have them involved as well. The CPSC might get

in on this as well.

August 21, 2009

Do any of you have a clue about changing the subject line. What does any of this have to do with Mycotoxinsþ. It makes searching the archives very cumbersome.

Hope your day has gone well --- Duke

Providing Legal services, business management consulting

and income sources for families to secure their future.

iodine From: 2007pams@...Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:33:25 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Mycotoxins

Mammograms also give off at minimum 340 rams of radiation about 20 times what a lung xray does. Mammograms also detect cancer very late in at least the 8th year and million cancer cells where thermography can find them up to 5 years earlier and can see the potential for cancer so you know you need to make changes before the cancer even occurs.

Hopefully women will find out from each other because doctors rarely share these newer ideas. Thermography has been more common in some areas for over 20 years overseas but been available in Santa Fe and some other locations for more than a decade. I had my first one done this Spring and it helped me decide what to do with a lump. 80-90% of lumps are benign.Pam

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, latinainwpb2 <latinainwpb2 > wrote:

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