Re: Private practice question

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Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW.

Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with a different license?

Thanks for your help.

Gretch Sando

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Only thingbI could think of is an LMSW cannot have a private practice legally only LCSWs canHope that helpsAdrienneSent from my iPhone

Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW.

Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with a different license?

Thanks for your help.

Gretch Sando

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Thanks for responding Adrienne.

I think my question could have been better written . . . .

As far as I understand it, I cannot go into private practice with anyone but another LCAT. If that is correct, I'd like to understand the rationale behind this.

If I have that wrong, I'd like to know so that I can pursue the recent invitation to enter a practice with a LCSW. Thanks.

Gretch

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Only thingbI could think of is an LMSW cannot have a private practice legally only LCSWs can

Hope that helps

AdrienneSent from my iPhone

Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW.

Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with a different license?

Thanks for your help.

Gretch Sando

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Gretch,This is true...in connection to creating a limited liability partnership (LLP). I don't know details but is easily researched in government sites. I don't think there is anything keeping you from forming a corporation. GailGail Elkin-ATR-BC, LCAT, LPwww.arttherapyinfo.com Re: Re: Private practice question Thanks for responding Adrienne. I think my question could have been better written . . . . As far as I understand it, I cannot go into private practice with anyone but another LCAT. If that is correct, I'd like to understand the rationale behind this. If I have that wrong, I'd like to know so that I can pursue the recent invitation to enter a practice with a LCSW. Thanks. Gretch Re: Re: Private practice question Only thingbI could think of is an LMSW cannot have a private practice legally only LCSWs canHope that helpsAdrienneSent from my iPhone Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW. Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with a different license? Thanks for your help. Gretch Sando

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This is correct and actually as LCAT 's we must form a PLLC, which stands for Professional LImited Liability Company/Corporation; not a LLC - Limited LIability Company/Corporation. There is a very good mental health lawyer, who also has a psychology degree, on Long Island who can explain all of this. He does offer phone consultations. Here is his contact information Bruce Hillowe1-Good Luck. Suzi Tortora Ed.D., BC- DMT, CMA, LCAT, LMHC Dancing Dialogue phone fax The Carriage House 8 n Ave Suite 1 80 East 11th St, #307Cold Spring, NY 10516 NY, NY 10003www.dancingdialogue.com

Gretch,This is true...in connection to creating a limited liability partnership (LLP). I don't know details but is easily researched in government sites. I don't think there is anything keeping you from forming a corporation. GailGail Elkin-ATR-BC, LCAT, LPwww.arttherapyinfo.com Re: Re: Private practice question



Thanks for responding Adrienne.

I think my question could have been better written . . . .

As far as I understand it, I cannot go into private practice with anyone but another LCAT. If that is correct, I'd like to understand the rationale behind this.

If I have that wrong, I'd like to know so that I can pursue the recent invitation to enter a practice with a LCSW. Thanks.

Gretch

Re: Re: Private practice question

Only thingbI could think of is an LMSW cannot have a private practice legally only LCSWs can

Hope that helps

AdrienneSent from my iPhone

Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW.

Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with a different license?

Thanks for your help.

Gretch Sando

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Hi Gretch - I can't speak to the rationale but it is a law...

Any practice that was formed before June 30, 2004 and has a practice with other

mental health professionals has until July 1, 2014 to dissolve the practice.

(Limited Liavility Company Law Sections 1203 (a). 12-7 ( and 1301 (a) and;

Partnership Law Sections 121-1500 (q) and 121-1502 (q)).

-Marie

>>> " Gretch " 2/7/2011 5:03 PM >>>

Thanks for responding Adrienne.

I think my question could have been better written . . . .

As far as I understand it, I cannot go into private practice with anyone but

another LCAT. If that is correct, I'd like to understand the rationale behind

this.

If I have that wrong, I'd like to know so that I can pursue the recent

invitation to enter a practice with a LCSW. Thanks.

Gretch

Re: Re: Private practice question

Only thingbI could think of is an LMSW cannot have a private practice legally

only LCSWs can

Hope that helps

Adrienne

Sent from my iPhone

Twice, I have been invited to form private practices with practitioners with

licenses other than LCAT; once with a LMHC and most recently with a LCSW.

Can someone please provide the rationale behind the prohibition of LCAT's

establishing a business to provide mental health services with a clinician with

a different license?

Thanks for your help.

Gretch Sando

[Guest guest]

The NY State corporate law prevents any mental health practitioner from forming

any kind of corporation (PLLC, PC, partnership) with a different license. For

example, and LCSW partnering with an LMFT is also prohibited. Note, this

limitation does not apply to psychologists.

It is an unfortunate law worth re-examination.

There is more info at this link. Scroll all the way to the bottom.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/corp/

Drena Fagen, LMSW, LCAT

http://nycreativetherapists.com

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Thanks to all who responded. Drena, thanks for the link. I had done quite a bit of reading on the OP site, but had not seen that page before. If anyone has additional info regarding the rationale and/or how the law can be re-examined, I'd appreciate additional direction. It seems ridiculous to me and so unfair.

Suzi, thanks for the referral to Bruce Hillowe. I wonder if he might know more about what's behind this law.

It's hard to stay positive. At the moment, my most promising prospect for work would require 2 hours of driving to provide a 90-minute group. I felt excited and re-energized when the LCSW I so highly respect invited me to set up a practice with her. Following a burst of ideas and conversation, I recalled this regulation and did some more digging. So discouraging.

Gretch

Re: Private practice question

The NY State corporate law prevents any mental health practitioner from forming any kind of corporation (PLLC, PC, partnership) with a different license. For example, and LCSW partnering with an LMFT is also prohibited. Note, this limitation does not apply to psychologists. It is an unfortunate law worth re-examination. There is more info at this link. Scroll all the way to the bottom. http://www.op.nysed.gov/corp/Drena Fagen, LMSW, LCAThttp://nycreativetherapists.com

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Yes Bruce Hillowe can explain anything you might want to know about these laws. I would encourage you to call him. There will be a fee but he will help you organize what you need to know for your business. :-) Suzi

Suzi Tortora Ed.D., BC- DMT, CMA, LCAT, LMHC Dancing Dialogue phone fax The Carriage House 8 n Ave Suite 1 80 East 11th St, #307Cold Spring, NY 10516 NY, NY 10003www.dancingdialogue.com

Thanks to all who responded. Drena, thanks for the link. I had done quite a bit of reading on the OP site, but had not seen that page before. If anyone has additional info regarding the rationale and/or how the law can be re-examined, I'd appreciate additional direction. It seems ridiculous to me and so unfair.

Suzi, thanks for the referral to Bruce Hillowe. I wonder if he might know more about what's behind this law.

It's hard to stay positive. At the moment, my most promising prospect for work would require 2 hours of driving to provide a 90-minute group. I felt excited and re-energized when the LCSW I so highly respect invited me to set up a practice with her. Following a burst of ideas and conversation, I recalled this regulation and did some more digging. So discouraging.

Gretch

Re: Private practice question

The NY State corporate law prevents any mental health practitioner from forming any kind of corporation (PLLC, PC, partnership) with a different license. For example, and LCSW partnering with an LMFT is also prohibited. Note, this limitation does not apply to psychologists. It is an unfortunate law worth re-examination. There is more info at this link. Scroll all the way to the bottom. http://www.op.nysed.gov/corp/Drena Fagen, LMSW, LCAThttp://nycreativetherapists.com