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I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to professionals with our education background.

 

Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things we do and help others.

 

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I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not even a trained dance/movement therapist.

Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by this?Thank you, Lamphear

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Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism> Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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nne, This is exactly what I thought. Now my next question is does this pertain to other states as well? Because the individual is not in NY State, but is providing trainings as close as Philadelphia for certification as an "Autism Movement Therapist".Going to go look at the ADTA website now.Any other insights are greatly appreciated. Thanks!To: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 12:27:56 PMSubject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to professionals with our education background.

Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things we do and help others.

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I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not even a trained dance/movement therapist.

Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by this?Thank you, Lamphear

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Will this also apply to ADTA board certifications? This is where it is hazy for me. I have put in a call to the Ethics Committee at the ADTA and am awaiting a return call. As soon as I know more, I will post.Thanks!To: nne ; NYCCAT Sent: Mon,

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Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are

evenfamiliar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more

specifically have to be a DMT license?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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As I understand this you can be board certified but you still cannot practice any of the creative arts therapies without a license. You CAN be a licensed social worker and practice creative arts therapy IF you have been thoroughly trained in the field...now that is open to interpretation, but for example, if you are a licensed social worker or other licensed mental health professional AND you have become certified in dance or drama therapy through alternative tracks you can practice CAT but not as a licensed CAT but as a licensed MSW. Thus a large number of psychodramatists are licensed social workers or psychologists but they can practice psychodrama because they are certified. But if you are certified through an alternative track program but are not licensed you cannot practice.

To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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Looking at the ADTA website is a good idea. I did too and came up with with following at http://www.adta.org/Default.aspx?pageId=378236. For one, it is psychotherapy. Two, " entry level " to practice is explained as someone who has a masters degree plus 700 supervised hours.

 

However, there are no regulations that can make practicing DMT or any creative arts therapy an unlawful act that has reprimands in place unless the state has a license for that profession. Right now, many art therpists in other states fall under a counseling license. This means that any counselor can practice AT in these states because their license permits them and says they're qualified to do so.

 

 I think this teaches that what we know to be right and wrong ethically may not be so in terms of the law. They are both important. Our aim is for them to be the same, that integrity (ethics) is upheld by behavior (the law), but often they function very differently.

 

 

 

Dance/Movement Therapy Is:

 

Psychotherapy or counseling that uses movement to address emotional, social, cognitive, and physical needs of individuals.

Effective for people with developmental, medical, social, physical and psychological impairments.

Practiced in mental health rehabilitation, medical and, educational settings, nursing homes, day care, forensic, disease prevention, health promotion programs, and in private practice.

Used with people of all ages, races, and ethnic backgrounds in individual, couples, family, and group therapy formats.

 

Dance/Movement Therapy Professionals:

 

Dance/Movement Therapists enter the profession with a Master's degree. 

 

" Registered Dance Movement Therapist " (R-DMT)* is the entry level credential and indicates clinicians who have a master's degree including 700 hundred hours of supervised clinical internship.

" Board Certified Dance Movement Therapist " , (BC-DMT)* is the advanced credential. It indicates a clinician who has additionally completed 3,640 hours of supervised clinical work, and passed a rigorous examination.

Note R-DMT and BC-DMT are awarded by the Dance/Movement Therapy Certification Board. Dance/movement therapists may also hold state licenses and doctoral degrees.

 

 

 

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>  

>

> Agreed.  The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.

>

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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> ----- Reply message -----

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> Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pm

> Subject: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >  I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism

> > Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >  

> >

>

>

>

> --

> nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCAT

> Creative Arts Therapist

> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

 

 

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Creative Arts Therapist

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> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism

> > Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCAT

> Creative Arts Therapist

> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

--

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Creative Arts Therapist

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mariannepatricia@...

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nne,I have read the same things. Now being that it is likely state to state in terms of licensure, what about an individual that has a degree in special education, but nothing in counseling or psychotherapy. I've made a call and sent an email to a colleague who is on the Ethic's Committee, so hopefully I will have better information shortly.I think the most frustrating thing is that as a D/MT who just applied for Board Certification - therefore has done all the training, supervision, clinical hours, etc to meet the BC requirements - I don't understand how this individual can do this. Even more frustrating is thinking that I could have simply done the same thing without bothering for the past 6 years to get myself to where I am now as a D/MT. Obviously I would not

have done this, but there must be some law in regards to this on a national level. Or else why bother with DMT Certifications??To: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 12:53:26 PMSubject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

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Looking at the ADTA website is a good idea. I did too and came up with with following at http://www.adta.org/Default.aspx?pageId=378236. For one, it is psychotherapy. Two, "entry level" to practice is explained as someone who has a masters degree plus 700 supervised hours.

However, there are no regulations that can make practicing DMT or any creative arts therapy an unlawful act that has reprimands in place unless the state has a license for that profession. Right now, many art therpists in other states fall under a counseling license. This means that any counselor can practice AT in these states because their license permits them and says they're qualified to do so.

I think this teaches that what we know to be right and wrong ethically may not be so in terms of the law. They are both important. Our aim is for them to be the same, that integrity (ethics) is upheld by behavior (the law), but often they function very differently.

Dance/Movement Therapy Is:

Psychotherapy or counseling that uses movement to address emotional, social, cognitive, and physical needs of individuals.

Effective for people with developmental, medical, social, physical and psychological impairments.

Practiced in mental health rehabilitation, medical and, educational settings, nursing homes, day care, forensic, disease prevention, health promotion programs, and in private practice.

Used with people of all ages, races, and ethnic backgrounds in individual, couples, family, and group therapy formats.

Dance/Movement Therapy Professionals:

Dance/Movement Therapists enter the profession with a Master's degree.

"Registered Dance Movement Therapist" (R-DMT)* is the entry level credential and indicates clinicians who have a master's degree including 700 hundred hours of supervised clinical internship.

"Board Certified Dance Movement Therapist", (BC-DMT)* is the advanced credential. It indicates a clinician who has additionally completed 3,640 hours of supervised clinical work, and passed a rigorous examination.

Note R-DMT and BC-DMT are awarded by the Dance/Movement Therapy Certification Board. Dance/movement therapists may also hold state licenses and doctoral degrees.

>

>

>

> Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.

>

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

>

> ----- Reply message -----

>

>

> Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pm

> Subject: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism

> > Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCAT

> Creative Arts Therapist

> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

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There are no laws on a national level. All laws are state by state. For years anyone in NYS who wanted to could say they were a psychotherapist or a creative arts therapist of any kind. There were no laws. Now there are. This person, if they are practicing in NY are practicing dance/movement therapy without a license which is absolutely against the law. They can call themselves a movement educator...it is when the words therapist gets in there that things get tricky.

To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism

> > Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCAT

> Creative Arts Therapist

> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

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That appears to be the case. There seems to be a rather large crack that this individual has managed to get herself into. The ADTA does not have the rights to the title "movement therapist" and this individual is likely not practicing with any license since Autism Movement Therapy is not licensable.This speaks namely to the need for more laws on a national level. It's quite frustrating and I hope eventually it will change.From: HV Psychodrama

To: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 1:12:35 PMSubject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy



There are no laws on a national level. All laws are state by state. For years anyone in NYS who wanted to could say they were a psychotherapist or a creative arts therapist of any kind. There were no laws. Now there are. This person, if they are practicing in NY are practicing dance/movement therapy without a license which is absolutely against the law. They can call themselves a movement educator...it is when the words therapist gets in there that things get tricky.

To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism

> > Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCAT

> Creative Arts Therapist

> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

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I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”. At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of LamphearSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:14 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not even a trained dance/movement therapist.Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by this?Thank you, Lamphear

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Right. No national licensure is in place. Even doctors and I believe lawyers, professions that have been around for ages and are subject to all sorts of ethical implications do not have national licenses, but are regulated from state to state. Does this mean a person does not need their education to practice? Certainly not. Does this mean certification doesn't mean anything? No, it means that there are standards or guidelines rather. Hopefully we all have personal standards that we follow in trusting ourselves when we work with our patients. Certifications, registrations and licenses are put in place so that others have them too. Ok, now I sound preachy. I don't mean it that way. But what I'm saying is that it is all important and worth our effort. For me, they have contributed to my work satisfaction, increased my quality of life on a personal level and I wouldn't have gotten my job without them. I suppose the worth of it all varies from person to person, depending on what you get out of it.

 

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 There are no laws on a national level. All laws are state by state. For years anyone in NYS who wanted to could say they were a psychotherapist or a creative arts therapist of any kind. There were no laws. Now there are. This person, if they are practicing in NY are practicing dance/movement therapy without a license which is absolutely against the law. They can call themselves a movement educator...it is when the words therapist gets in there that things get tricky.

 

 

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> To: <NYCCAT >

>

> I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

> the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

> violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

> that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

> matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

> law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

> provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

> familiar with providing basic safety guidelines that are taught to

> professionals with our education background.

>

> Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

> not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

> stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

> good intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

> we do and help others.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >  I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism

> > Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

> >

> >  

> >

>

>

>

> --

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> www.explorativepsychotherapy.com

> mariannepatricia@...

> Tel

>

>

>

 

 

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nne, and others,

I don't think its preachy; its ethical to make yourself accountable to

clients and other stakeholders (insurance companies, taxpayers, health

care agencies, etc.) by being trained, credentialed and licensed. All of

the creative arts therapists need to get active in advocating for their

clients and their profession (!!)

I support Tina's approach in writing letters to practitioners, informing

them of how you think they are practicing unethically, providing

information on the profession, etc. Also, I think it has more

impact if the letters come from the state professional association and

the national professional association and/or credentialing board.

You might also contact the counseling licensing board in Pennsylvania to

see if they can help.

BTW, this is how other licensed professions have become established and

recognized.

Good luck with this and thank you again for bringing up the

problem.

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transformation

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Cara,The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White

Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p!

roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license!

?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”. At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism> Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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It is my understanding that the profession (not a job title, per se) licensed in NYS is Creative Arts Therapy.I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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Yes, you are right. The license is “Creative Arts Therapy”; I meant that dance/movement therapists are able to obtain his license (as opposed to “Autism Movement Therapists”)... Tina From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of AbramsSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:51 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy It is my understanding that the profession (not a job title, per se) licensed in NYS is Creative Arts Therapy. I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism> Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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I think that more than just the title is protected -- the scope of practicce is protected. So one cannot provide any sort of movement therapy without a license, period.

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To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

To: <NYCCAT >

I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist in

the title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethical

violations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is a

matter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for the

law is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are even

familiar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught to

professionals with our education background.

Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more I

stick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of the

good i ntentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

we do and help others.

nne

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>

>

> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism

> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?

>

> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> individuals on the Autistic S pectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> even a trained dance/movement therapist.

>

> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> this?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Lamphear

>

>

>

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OK, thanks for clarifying. Yes, the regs state that the educational component for "substantial equivalence" includes (but is not limited to) registered training programs in professions such as dance.Yes, you are right. The license is “Creative Arts Therapy”; I meant that dance/movement therapists are able to obtain his license (as opposed to “Autism Movement Therapists”)... Tina From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of AbramsSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:51 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy It is my understanding that the profession (not a job title, per se) licensed in NYS is Creative Arts Therapy. I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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I believe the LCAT definitions only mention "dance" as one of the "arts" (not "movement," unless I missed it somewhere). But even if the practice in question involves "non-artistic," "non-creative" forms of movement, then I suppose it could still be an issue with respect to Physical Therapy. And, of course, if there's any sort of mental health counseling or psychotherapy involved (as defined by NYS), it's protected by the MHP law.I think that more than just the title is protected -- the scope of practicce is protected. So one cannot provide any sort of movement therapy without a license, period.Kim Galway, LCAT, RDT-BCT ACT out East www.actouteast.com CONFIDENTIAL OR PRIVILEGED: This communication contains information intended only for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. if you have received this in error, please notify the sender by telephone or by returning it via reply email and then permanently deleting the communication form your system. Thank you. To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood i ntentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic S pectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel < /div>

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Tina and everyone, I should raise the point that my original question had to do with national legalities, not just in NY State. After speaking further with a colleague I have found that there seems to be a rather large crack that this individual has managed to get herself into. The ADTA does not have the rights to the title "movement therapist" and this individual is likely not practicing with any license since Autism Movement Therapy is not a licensable profession.The frustrating and shocking (to me) part to this is that this individual is providing very similar interventions and services many dance/movement therapist's are trained to provide and using the title of therapist

when she has no training in therapy, be it physical or emotional. In addition to providing certifications in this "field" and receiving media recognition. I appreciate everyone's insights to this topic and will take them all seriously. I now know that this individual has been previously explored and again seems to have managed to successfully slipped through the cracks. I can only hope that the future of our organizations and professions can continue to move forward to licensure on a state to state basis across the country so that more people don't get away with doing the same in the future of the Creative Arts Community. LamphearTo: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:34:45 PMSubject: RE: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapistâ€; not “Autism Movement Therapistâ€. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining

the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist†is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officiallyâ€. At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT

From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White

Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood

intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it

to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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Look up ISMETA " International Somatic Movement Education and Therapy

Association " for an eye opener into a whole field of people whose professional

title is " Movement Therapist " . Historically, this branched out from the

International Movement Therapy Association in the late 1980's. Many people who

are professionally trained in Body/Mind Centering, or Technique, etc

choose to become Registered Movement Therapists (RSMT) (it's really registered

somatic movement therapist, or RSME registered somatic movement educator). It

gets a bit complex, but they have a code of ethics and standards etc. So there

are others who can certainly use the title " Movement Therapist " , without a

license.

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> >

> > I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism

> > Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a

> > general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> > title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or

> > does it more specifically have to be a DMT license?

> >

> > I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> > individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very

> > much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with

> > individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> > even a trained dance/movement therapist.

> >

> > Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by

> > this?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Lamphear

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> >

> >

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Hi everyone.I'm not sure which Autism Movement Therapist you are referring to, but I just looked up Joanne Lara's website, autismmovementtherapy.com, and as far as you can research credentials on-line, her special education credentials and dance credentials seem legit, even impressive. And again, maybe it's just great marketing, but the rationale behind her techniques seems well-researched and sound. Dance/Movement Therapists could learn something from her, at least in terms of sales and marketing! Has anyone in the CAT community watched the DVDs and compared notes?Should we throw stones in terms of credentials? If they bothered to think about it, special education teachers could argue that some (or most) licensed DMTs/CATs have no real credential in special ed. and so WE shouldn't be working with autistic children!We don't own the words "Movement" and "Therapy" any more than Trump owns the words "You're fired."Respectfully,Anne , M.Div., MA, BC-DMT, LCATTina and everyone, I should raise the point that my original question had to do with national legalities, not just in NY State. After speaking further with a colleague I have found that there seems to be a rather large crack that this individual has managed to get herself into. The ADTA does not have the rights to the title "movement therapist" and this individual is likely not practicing with any license since Autism Movement Therapy is not a licensable profession.The frustrating and shocking (to me) part to this is that this individual is providing very similar interventions and services many dance/movement therapist's are trained to provide and using the title of therapist when she has no training in therapy, be it physical or emotional. In addition to providing certifications in this "field" and receiving media recognition. I appreciate everyone's insights to this topic and will take them all seriously. I now know that this individual has been previously explored and again seems to have managed to successfully slipped through the cracks. I can only hope that the future of our organizations and professions can continue to move forward to licensure on a state to state basis across the country so that more people don't get away with doing the same in the future of the Creative Arts Community. LamphearTo: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:34:45 PMSubject: RE: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel

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Hi Anne,

 

E-mail can be misunderstood. My comments were not about being hostile or critical to anyone who does not have CAT credentials, but simply upholding the statutes put in place to protect the safe space of therapy-- whoever the person may be. It is a complicated topic for sure! I remember an instructor from grad school who spoke of the downside to all these regulations. Territorial feelings can grow strong behind the ownership of a license and creativity doesn't have to but can certainly bend and be smothered under such stipulations. I guess we have to be careful and aware of what happens when art meets therapy.

 

nne

 

 

 

Hi everyone.

I'm not sure which Autism Movement Therapist you are referring to, but I just looked up Joanne Lara's website, autismmovementtherapy.com, and as far as you can research credentials on-line, her special education credentials and dance credentials seem legit, even impressive. And again, maybe it's just great marketing, but the rationale behind her techniques seems well-researched and sound. Dance/Movement Therapists could learn something from her, at least in terms of sales and marketing! Has anyone in the CAT community watched the DVDs and compared notes?

Should we throw stones in terms of credentials? If they bothered to think about it, special education teachers could argue that some (or most) licensed DMTs/CATs have no real credential in special ed. and so WE shouldn't be working with autistic children!

We don't own the words " Movement " and " Therapy " any more than Trump owns the words " You're fired. "

Respectfully,

Anne , M.Div., MA, BC-DMT, LCAT

Tina and everyone,

 I should raise the point that my original question had to do with national legalities, not just in NY State. After speaking further with a colleague I have found that there seems to be a rather large crack that this individual has managed to get herself into. The ADTA does not have the rights to the title " movement therapist " and this individual is likely not practicing with any license since Autism Movement Therapy is not a licensable profession.

The frustrating and shocking (to me) part to this is that this individual is providing very similar interventions and services many dance/movement therapist's are trained to provide and using the title of therapist when she has no training in therapy, be it physical or emotional. In addition to providing certifications in this " field " and receiving media recognition.

 I appreciate everyone's insights to this topic and will take them all seriously. I now know that this individual has been previously explored and again seems to have managed to successfully slipped through the cracks. I can only hope that the future of our organizations and professions can continue to move forward to licensure on a state to state basis across the country so that more people don't get away with doing the same in the future of the Creative Arts Community.

Lamphear

From: Tina Erfer To: NYCCAT

Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:34:45 PMSubject: RE: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

 

I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.

However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is  “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.

From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be  very similar to what we do, but is not it at all.  The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.

What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.

We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically!

 

As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.

At least, this is what my understanding is.

 

Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT

 

 

From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa White

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT

Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy

 

 

Cara,

 

The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State.  

 

Elissa White

 

 

On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:32 PM, cara.gallo@... wrote:

 

Agreed.  The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----

Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >

I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple as

that. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals who

provide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this is

not necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful things

we do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:

>>>  I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an " Autism> Movement Therapist " . I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the

> title " Movement Therapist " without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this

> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not

> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>

>  >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.com

mariannepatricia@...Tel

 

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Just to add (although I'm sure most are already well aware of this): A profession never "owns" any component of a state license--the state does. A license is not a privilege for a profession, but a restriction in place expressly for protecting the public, instituted by the state. While "side effects" may include better public recognition/legitimacy of the profession, increased access to third-party reimbursement (depending upon the circumstances), etc., the primary purpose is to limit use of a particular practice scope and/or title, on behalf of the state's public/constituents.Hi Anne, E-mail can be misunderstood. My comments were not about being hostile or critical to anyone who does not have CAT credentials, but simply upholding the statutes put in place to protect the safe space of therapy-- whoever the person may be. It is a complicated topic for sure! I remember an instructor from grad school who spoke of the downside to all these regulations. Territorial feelings can grow strong behind the ownership of a license and creativity doesn't have to but can certainly bend and be smothered under such stipulations. I guess we have to be careful and aware of what happens when art meets therapy. nne Hi everyone.I'm not sure which Autism Movement Therapist you are referring to, but I just looked up Joanne Lara's website, autismmovementtherapy.com, and as far as you can research credentials on-line, her special education credentials and dance credentials seem legit, even impressive. And again, maybe it's just great marketing, but the rationale behind her techniques seems well-researched and sound. Dance/Movement Therapists could learn something from her, at least in terms of sales and marketing! Has anyone in the CAT community watched the DVDs and compared notes?Should we throw stones in terms of credentials? If they bothered to think about it, special education teachers could argue that some (or most) licensed DMTs/CATs have no real credential in special ed. and so WE shouldn't be working with autistic children!We don't own the words "Movement" and "Therapy" any more than Trump owns the words "You're fired."Respectfully,Anne , M.Div., MA, BC-DMT, LCATTina and everyone, I should raise the point that my original question had to do with national legalities, not just in NY State. After speaking further with a colleague I have found that there seems to be a rather large crack that this individual has managed to get herself into. The ADTA does not have the rights to the title "movement therapist" and this individual is likely not practicing with any license since Autism Movement Therapy is not a licensable profession.The frustrating and shocking (to me) part to this is that this individual is providing very similar interventions and services many dance/movement therapist's are trained to provide and using the title of therapist when she has no training in therapy, be it physical or emotional. In addition to providing certifications in this "field" and receiving media recognition. I appreciate everyone's insights to this topic and will take them all seriously. I now know that this individual has been previously explored and again seems to have managed to successfully slipped through the cracks. I can only hope that the future of our organizations and professions can continue to move forward to licensure on a state to state basis across the country so that more people don't get away with doing the same in the future of the Creative Arts Community. LamphearTo: NYCCAT Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:34:45 PMSubject: RE: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy I just came into this discussion, and you are definitely right to be concerned about this.However, as I understand it, the job title that is licensed in NYS is “dance/movement therapist”; not “Autism Movement Therapist”. So it is a very gray area, as frustrating as that is, in this situation.From time to time, we encounter people who think they have invented something amazing, which looks to be very similar to what we do, but is not it at all. The problem is the specifics of the title, in terms of legality. Ethics are another issue, as someone else already mentioned.What I have done in the past is write a letter to the person, explaining what DMT is, explaining the path to credentials (and licensure, in NYS); and explain who can and cannot use the title, ethically and legally. Perhaps the ADTA’s Standards & Ethics Chairperson will do this.We can invite her to obtain the training and credentials she needs, in order to practice legally and ethically! As I mentioned, “movement therapist” is not the licensed title in NY, nor is it what the ADTA calls our profession “officially”.At least, this is what my understanding is. Tina Erfer, BC-DMT, LCAT From: NYCCAT [mailto:NYCCAT ] On Behalf Of Elissa WhiteSent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:32 PMTo: NYCCAT Subject: Re: To the group, Autism Movement Therapy Cara, The LCAT only refers to people working in NY State. Elissa White Agreed. The LCAT legislation is a scope of practice law, which in part protects consumers from people practicing without adequate training.Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message -----Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2011 12:27 pmSubject: To the group, Autism Movement TherapyTo: <NYCCAT >I am almost certain that if anyone uses Dance and/or Movement Therapist inthe title and is not licensed as such, this is a breach of ethicalviolations and can address it with the NY Office of Professions. Simple asthat. This is not a question of (blowing things out of) proportion, it is amatter of law and whether it falls under the law or not. The reason for thelaw is to protect consumers from harm that can be done by individuals whoprovide services that are not bound to ethical standards or are evenfamiliar with p! roviding basic safety guidelines that are taught toprofessionals with our education background.Granted, much of education and ethical standards are common sense, this isnot necessarily so. The more I think about what can go wrong, the more Istick to upholding the standards we have put in place, regardless of thegood intentions of those who would like to take part in the beautiful thingswe do and help others.nneOn Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Lamphear wrote:>>> I recently came across and individual who is practicing as an "Autism> Movement Therapist". I am bringing this to the community because I have a> general question. It is my understanding that you can not practice under the> title "Movement Therapist" without an License in the field. Am I correct or> does it more specifically have to be a DMT license! ?>> I think the most frustrating thing for me is the recognition that this> individual is receiving for her having developed an approach that is very> much Dance/Movement Therapy when we apply it to our treatment with> individuals on the Autistic Spectrum. Meanwhile it appears that she is not> even a trained dance/movement therapist.>> Am I blowing this out of proportion or do I have a right to being angry by> this?>> Thank you,>> Lamphear>> >-- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.commariannepatricia@...Tel -- nne , MPS, ATR-BC, LCATCreative Arts Therapistwww.explorativepsychotherapy.com mariannepatricia@...Tel

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