Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Audrey, yes that is most likey what is called TMJ, and that is something that is related to muscle tension in the jaw! A lot of people on this list have problems with TMJ. birdsong > Hello Family: > I have had a toothache for the past two weeks and have gone to the dentist and I don't have any cavities. Said my bite was off and took care of it. Does our FM have anything to do with this? Just wondering. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Hi Audry, My teeth hurt me at all times. My poor dentist's takes one look at me walking down the hallway and groans, " Not you again!" He's a doll !!!!!!!! He told me mine is from my sinus's and Fibromyalgia. I might also have sjogren's syndrome. i use to get a cavity once every five to ten years. In the last ten years I have had at least two cavities a year! I have had to have six teeth pulled, due to all this!!!!. They hurt and hurt to the point of I can't even brush them anymore, so in I go, He takes x-rays and nothing shows as usual!!!! I have my teeth cleaned every six months. From one cleaning to the next I can have a tooth go bad at the root and when it is xrayed six months later it is past saving, so it has to be pulled. I can'nt have root canal done as have already done that route and when I walked across the room it did nothing but throb!!! After two months of that I made him pull it as I could not handle that at all. I have two real bad ones right now, I can't have anything hot or cold, chewing is terrible. This is the way they all start!! He doesn't know why they decay so quick once they start. But Fibro is definately a culprit in your teeth too!! Isn't the Fibro world lots of FUN!!!! Sorry! Couldn't resist! :-) Hugs Helen Hello Family: I have had a toothache for the past two weeks and have gone to the dentist and I don't have any cavities. Said my bite was off and took care of it. Does our FM have anything to do with this? Just wondering. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Audrey ! Nice to hear from ya, hon ! Never heard of that, but maybe cause our muscles are so bad the ones in your face are to weak to keep your jaw aligned !! 8^) Hello Family: I have had a toothache for the past two weeks and have gone to the dentist and I don't have any cavities. Said my bite was off and took care of it. Does our FM have anything to do with this? Just wondering. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Gee whiz !!! I have TMJ and didnt even think of that !!! DUH !!!! <grin> 8^) Audrey, yes that is most likey what is called TMJ, and that is something that is related to muscle tension in the jaw! A lot of people on this list have problems with TMJ. birdsong > Hello Family: > I have had a toothache for the past two weeks and have gone to the dentist and I don't have any cavities. Said my bite was off and took care of it. Does our FM have anything to do with this? Just wondering. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 <Grin>!! Joy has TMJ and has really struggled with it at times, so I am very aware of what it looks like from the outside! actually I have it also, but since I have hardly any teeth left, it doesn't affect me as much. birdsong -- In cfidsfms-friends@y..., KLD7@w... wrote: > Gee whiz !!! I have TMJ and didnt even think of that !!! DUH !!!! <grin> > 8^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Can also be related to your sinuses. I have bad sinuses and sometimes my upper back teeth hurt from the pressure from my sinuses. My 2 cents worth!! Hugs Sharon Re: Question Audrey, yes that is most likey what is called TMJ, and that is something that is related to muscle tension in the jaw! A lot of people on this list have problems with TMJ. birdsong > Hello Family: > I have had a toothache for the past two weeks and have gone to the dentist and I don't have any cavities. Said my bite was off and took care of it. Does our FM have anything to do with this? Just wondering. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 It does seem like yahoo has improved from your end?? I'm getting mine right back! Hugs Sharon BTW Digest is a pain isn't it?? At least on reg you can get to each one. But can take a while *grin* Re: Question Audrey ! Nice to hear from ya, hon ! Never heard of that, but maybe cause our muscles are so bad the ones in your face are to weak to keep your jaw aligned !! 8^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Stress can bring on many many conditions. I am starting to think that the Fibro would be bareable if I did not have a stressed mental state. I know that when I had less stress in my life I was doing just fine except some tight muscles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 I was told that stress can bring on Fibromyalgia or Fribromyalgia can bring on stress.... > Is anybody on this list currently taking Lipitor or any drug to lower > cholesterol? My doc just tested me for that today to see if my Lipitor is making me > have muscle problems. > He also said that the severity of FMS is closley related to mental state and > stress levels. > > > [-- Val Mann, ww.... val@... www.tlaz.com/scans http://community.webshots.com/user/tlazatoel icq: 1592406 Yesterday's Child Art Studio London Ont. Canada Phone: Member of: CDAN, VPON, FCDA and Special Memory Artists, Society of Decorative Painters. WITCH PARKING ONLY. ALL OTHERS WILL BE TOAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hi Elaine here To echo.... My son Adam and also my husband Gilroy both have Echolalia. This means that if i have an instruction for either of them, or maybe even just a general question, both of them will repeat what i have just said some times word for word =Echolalia, or will repeat the last few informative words i have used =Echo. Adam has always Echoed what i say/said, from as early as he was able to talk. For example if i said to him now a days "lets get ready and go sit at the station and watch trains" he will Echo "sit at the station and watch trains" he may not hear the first part of the sentence so may not repeat it. If he hears ALL that i have said he will repeat ALL =Echolalia, i have got used to this over the years, and can tell if either of them are 'switched off' as this is when the Echolalia tends to surface with the both of them, by repeating what i have said 'to Echo' they are more able to process what is being said to them. I have noticed too that if i was to say "i have a headache" then during what i have said being Echoed the word 'i' will be changed to 'you'. I have never felt or thought that Echolalia could be a tic but you saying it could be considered a tic does actually make sense to me, both my hubby and son's frame of mind depend on whether or not they will Echo me!! if either of them are mentally tired then that is when they tend to Echo. Hope this helps a little Elaine To: aspires-relationships Sent: Friday, 20 February, 2009 6:36:46Subject: question Can anyone explain to me from an NT or AS point of view, what it means to “echo�. This would apply to an adult who may have Hi: Be specific. Are you talking about: Echolalia is the repetition of vocalizations made by another person. Echolalia can be present in autism, Tourette syndrome, aphasia, Rubinstein-Taybi syndrome, developmental disability, schizophrenia, Asperger syndrome, Alzheimer's Disease and, occasionally, other forms of psychopathology. It is also frequently found in blind visually impaired children, although most will outgrow this behavior. When done involuntarily, echolalia may be considered a tic. You state echo, but what does that look like? Just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Jo, I don't think anyone here is capable of answering that question, without knowing your friend. I think there are times when AS symptoms can become more pronounced with age -- but then we all change as we age, some of us become grumpier, less tolerant, more reclusive, etc. But there is no "one" progression or change for an AS person as they age, that is going to apply to everyone (or even, anyone) else. If you learn nothing else about AS, understand that every person is different in their abilities and capabilities. It is not a disease, it is a different neurological makeup. So it's not like cancer or MS or something where you can say that it will probably ultimately cause "X" result. It is a physical, neurological-based difference and for some the difference makes for disability, while for others you might say they don't have disabilities but instead gifts, of brilliance and superior ability. For example does a blind or deaf person necessarily have more difficulty as they age? How about a genius like Einstein, was life harder for him as he aged? Maybe for some it becomes easier with time to adapt. Whether or not she will be able to take care of herself depends very much on her. If she is already very dependent upon someone else while her health is good, she may not have what it takes to live alone especially if her health and mobility decline. But there are many AS who prefer to live alone and do just fine. It will depend upon her health and physical abilities as well as her state of mind. question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echo”. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Just a caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hi My husband has not been formerly diagnosed with AS, but through study and consultations with our sons psychologist and psychiatrist, the conclusion of AS was made with regards to my husbands behaviour and traits. As he has got older he has regressed more into Autistic traits, that by all means were always there in him, just not so noticeable to others but me who has lived with him for 22 years. I do worry about him and how capable he would be to care for himself and our son should anything happen to me. Incidentally my daughter only yesterday expressed her feelings of concern for my husbands lack of urgency! meaning she will allow him to take our grandson to the local park but will not allow him to take our grandson to lets say the city centre, or to the station to watch trains, she puts this concern down to my husbands 'child like' way of thinking, he does not share the 'sense of impending danger' as we do. In short he requires more 'guidance' from me than he did say 5 years ago? i feel he is more likely to need even more guidance in the future. Basically he just 'switches off', is unable to get his priorities in order, and forgets simple but important things like when a certain bill needs to be paid, or realising that an appointment set for 2pm means you are not supposed to start getting ready at 2pm but be at the appointment at 2pm. Little things like that make me worry for his future should he be left alone to care for himself. It sounds like your friend needs guidance too to be honest. Good luck Elaine To: aspires-relationships Sent: Friday, 20 February, 2009 11:57:14Subject: question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echoâ€. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Just a caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Re: AS in later years In my knowing her for the last 4 yrs only, I have seen behaviors change at the spur of the moment. I am concerned about her as she gets older and if she will be able to take care of herself on her own. She cannot be without contact from her husband for more than a few hours and she has a cell phone with “two way” so she has immediate contact with him and others (me too) if needed. She also has behaviors such as: going to bed/waking up when her husband does (not by herself), she doesn’t watch any tv, she cannot make decisions immediately (she gets flustered), she cannot cook that well (burns a lot of things), she gets overwhelmed when going grocery shopping, has broken her arm twice in the last five years, has been in a few minor car accidents and if I observe her at a distance, she seems “lost” amongst all the others she is around. I want to emphasize again that I am not judging her and I do accept her as she is but can I do anything for her to make her life easier? I have had many fun times with her and she has a brilliant mind. She plays the piano and does it well. She has formed a “bond” with me unlike a restrained relationship with her family ( I understand why now due to AS, I believe) She has been kind to me with small gifts, notes and small tokens of appreciation. I am just looking to the future and will she be ok? From: aspires-relationships [mailto:aspires-relationships ] On Behalf Of Elaine Sent: 2009-02-20 7:45 AM To: aspires-relationships Subject: Re: question Hi My husband has not been formerly diagnosed with AS, but through study and consultations with our sons psychologist and psychiatrist, the conclusion of AS was made with regards to my husbands behaviour and traits. As he has got older he has regressed more into Autistic traits, that by all means were always there in him, just not so noticeable to others but me who has lived with him for 22 years. I do worry about him and how capable he would be to care for himself and our son should anything happen to me. Incidentally my daughter only yesterday expressed her feelings of concern for my husbands lack of urgency! meaning she will allow him to take our grandson to the local park but will not allow him to take our grandson to lets say the city centre, or to the station to watch trains, she puts this concern down to my husbands 'child like' way of thinking, he does not share the 'sense of impending danger' as we do. In short he requires more 'guidance' from me than he did say 5 years ago? i feel he is more likely to need even more guidance in the future. Basically he just 'switches off', is unable to get his priorities in order, and forgets simple but important things like when a certain bill needs to be paid, or realising that an appointment set for 2pm means you are not supposed to start getting ready at 2pm but be at the appointment at 2pm. Little things like that make me worry for his future should he be left alone to care for himself. It sounds like your friend needs guidance too to be honest. Good luck Elaine From: Jo Orr <westromewestrome> To: aspires-relationships Sent: Friday, 20 February, 2009 11:57:14 Subject: question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echo”. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Just a caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I'm AS and becoming more capable as I get older. My mom is probably AS and becomes less capable as she gets older.....(she's done this her whole life, not just recently when she hit 'old age') It's probably a personality thing. Your friend may or may not actually be dependant on her husband. It might just be a habit to depend on him because he's there. She may be fully capable of adjusting and moving on. Also people often think I am dependant when in reality I am very independent. It's something to do with my non verbal body language communication that I haven't figured out yet. I feel like I am somehow giving people a false message and that is part of the reason they get upset with me when they get to know me. Because I am not 'as advertised' so to speak. So far as 'actions' getting worse... that depends on which actions. Some of my AS behaviors are 'getting worse' from the viewpoint of other people. This is because I have thought about it and decided that there is no moral or ethical reason to not have those behaviors. (Say not using a telephone when at all possible.) Other behaviors are disappearing all together though.... so... Jennie AS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I am sooooo with you in this!! I am AS and as I get older I do not want to conform all the time..I just want to be me . I realize there are social boundaries but sometimes I just can not stand to be in them. I want outside of the Hoopla Hoop and dance to my own music .Just a visual that went "out loud" . I try so hard to get other people but I do not think that they see me...The me that is truly there. I am often confused for being a "it" that for so long I did believe that I was.,an "It ". I am very independent raising 5 of my 7 children alone now . I still have 4 children within the mix at home dx with ASD to different ranges ..I have all the responsibility and when the outside looks in they do not "see" the me or the family in front of them. They like to whisper when I am near not knowing my hearing is hyper sensitive to sounds ..I use to wonder what their words really meant in content, now I have several NT s that I can ask for a translation of sorts.They whisper some bewildering thoughts about me and my children but when I ask them if they really want to know, I get silence..Oh How odd I must seem to them! What great fun it would be to open up both ways of thinking ..being.. for just a while to help with understanding and acceptance... Some times I would like to again have, this time a trustworthy ,NT in my space of closeness to help me just block some of the outside so I could be me within that safe relationship..I may then appear to be dependent upon them but would actually be more independently me from the inside..Maybe this does not seem overly logical but then again I am working so hard on that thinking on the other side!! Personality does come in as a factor to this whole thought process..we are each unique both AS and NT ...just as we are male and female..it does seem to me that others like to put labels on AS and NT with out factoring in how different each one of us, as humans, really and truly are created. I do not jump in often but I have been enjoying and learning from all of you. I am grateful for all the honesty that is put out loud and shared. You are all a wonderful group and please no matter how difficult things may seem at the time you are in them ..keep going..everyone on this group is there for you..we are the voice to the outside even if that outside is just right where you are sitting now!! Thank-You for listening to my ramblings I know you are not listening, you are reading, but I hear all words as a sound in my head so I sometimes have to re-think my words .. Marj "AS" female 43 yrs... Re: question I'm AS and becoming more capable as I get older. My mom is probably AS and becomes less capable as she gets older.....(she's done this her whole life, not just recently when she hit 'old age') It's probably a personality thing. Your friend may or may not actually be dependant on her husband. It might just be a habit to depend on him because he's there. She may be fully capable of adjusting and moving on. Also people often think I am dependant when in reality I am very independent. It's something to do with my non verbal body language communication that I haven't figured out yet. I feel like I am somehow giving people a false message and that is part of the reason they get upset with me when they get to know me. Because I am not 'as advertised' so to speak. So far as 'actions' getting worse... that depends on which actions. Some of my AS behaviors are 'getting worse' from the viewpoint of other people. This is because I have thought about it and decided that there is no moral or ethical reason to not have those behaviors. (Say not using a telephone when at all possible.) Other behaviors are disappearing all together though.... so... Jennie AS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Echo to me is how a AS adapts to the behaviors around them by copying others. I do it when im surrounded by spanish people and i want to learn their accent. Or when im on the dance floor when i first hear a song i copy how best guy dancing next to me is grooving. As for getting worse in AS behavior as we age that all depends on how that certain person adapted to stimulation and how they communicate. Every relationship i enter there is a new way to communicate yet the same way to express my feelings. Sounds like your friend who lost her husband can either get a job, find a room-mate, socialize with a new hobby or start dating again. Hope i helped, Matt question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echo”. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Just a caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1960 - Release Date: 02/19/09 10:48:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thank you for this excellent post, . There does seem to be a tendency in Aspie groups for people to attribute negative behaviors to a person's AS, when such behaviors are experienced by all sorts of people, both on the spectrum and off. Best, ~CJ D. Pawliczek wrote: > I don't think anyone here is capable of answering that question, without > knowing your friend. I think there are times when AS symptoms can > become more pronounced with age -- but then we all change as we age, > some of us become grumpier, less tolerant, more reclusive, etc. But > there is no " one " progression or change for an AS person as they age, > that is going to apply to everyone (or even, anyone) else. If you learn > nothing else about AS, understand that every person is different in > their abilities and capabilities. It is not a disease, it is a > different neurological makeup. So it's not like cancer or MS or > something where you can say that it will probably ultimately cause " X " > result. It is a physical, neurological-based difference and for some > the difference makes for disability, while for others you might say they > don't have disabilities but instead gifts, of brilliance and superior > ability. For example does a blind or deaf person necessarily have more > difficulty as they age? How about a genius like Einstein, was life > harder for him as he aged? Maybe for some it becomes easier with time > to adapt. Whether or not she will be able to take care of herself > depends very much on her. If she is already very dependent upon someone > else while her health is good, she may not have what it takes to live > alone especially if her health and mobility decline. But there are many > AS who prefer to live alone and do just fine. It will depend upon her > health and physical abilities as well as her state of mind. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009  Our son also has Echolalia. As a matter of fact, when he was three years old that was the only way he could talk. They actually labeled his as non verbal because he could not express any of his own thoughts. When he did have to communicate a thought or feeling he wouldgo into uncontrolable fits because he could not get even the simplest thought out. actually learned to communicate his feelings and thoughts by personifying stuffed animals. He would say Teddy bear needs a drink of water" Getting to that point took a lot of intensive therapy. now can communicate most of the time. When he gets stressed he reverts back to the personification thing. He still exhibits Echolalia quite often and is falling behind in school because he can repeat things back with out ever hearing them (if that makes any sense). I hope this helps. e question Can anyone explain to me from an NT or AS point of view, what it means to “echo�. This would apply to an adult who may have Hi: Be specific. Are you talking about: Echolalia is the repetition of vocalizations made by another person. Echolalia can be present in autism, Tourette syndrome, aphasia, Rubinstein-Taybi syndrome, developmental disability, schizophrenia, Asperger syndrome, Alzheimer's Disease and, occasionally, other forms of psychopathology. It is also frequently found in blind visually impaired children, although most will outgrow this behavior. When done involuntarily, echolalia may be considered a tic. You state echo, but what does that look like? Just me. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1961 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hi Jo, I am glad you love her anyway. Here are a few little things that may help- (1) Is she computer literate> joining an online group would really make her feel less lonely if she is, I think. (2) She could always learn to wake up when the alarm goes off: if it rings loud enough and it is on the opposite side of a room, that would get her out of bed. (??) (3) There are grocery services that will shop for someone, of if there is sensory overload but she prefers to shop herself, then going late at night can help with overcrowding, since there are fewer crowds at night. (4) If she gets on line, then she can mail her family little notes and chain letters, and while it is not any kind of ideal, it will tell them that she still thinks of them, and they will feel a bit better. That can be a start to bridging a gap in some families- not too sure about hers. (5) Is she a reader? There are plenty of great titles of cool books on autism/ AS in the form of autobiographies. I have read many. and liked nearlhy all of them. You can bring them over for her to borrow, even if she does not think she is like the people in them- you might read them first, to see which you think she would identify with the most, and whom she would like. If you like, I will name many titles: a few friends come to mind from your description. For interesting information, see ANI (Autism network International), or the AANE website, www.AANE.org If she loves online quizzes, see if you can tease her into taking the ASpie Quiz online- it is really informative, comprenensive, and convincing. All the best, To: aspires-relationships Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:09:38 AMSubject: RE: question Re: AS in later years In my knowing her for the last 4 yrs only, I have seen behaviors change at the spur of the moment. I am concerned about her as she gets older and if she will be able to take care of herself on her own. She cannot be without contact from her husband for more than a few hours and she has a cell phone with “two way” so she has immediate contact with him and others (me too) if needed. She also has behaviors such as: going to bed/waking up when her husband does (not by herself), she doesn’t watch any tv, she cannot make decisions immediately (she gets flustered), she cannot cook that well (burns a lot of things), she gets overwhelmed when going grocery shopping, has broken her arm twice in the last five years, has been in a few minor car accidents and if I observe her at a distance, she seems “lost” amongst all the others she is around. I want to emphasize again that I am not judging her and I do accept her as she is but can I do anything for her to make her life easier? I have had many fun times with her and she has a brilliant mind. She plays the piano and does it well. She has formed a “bond” with me unlike a restrained relationship with her family ( I understand why now due to AS, I believe) She has been kind to me with small gifts, notes and small tokens of appreciation. I am just looking to the future and will she be ok? From: aspires-relationshi psyahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:aspires- relationships@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sent: 2009-02-20 7:45 AMTo: aspires-relationshi psyahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: [aspires-relationsh ips] question Hi My husband has not been formerly diagnosed with AS, but through study and consultations with our sons psychologist and psychiatrist, the conclusion of AS was made with regards to my husbands behaviour and traits. As he has got older he has regressed more into Autistic traits, that by all means were always there in him, just not so noticeable to others but me who has lived with him for 22 years. I do worry about him and how capable he would be to care for himself and our son should anything happen to me. Incidentally my daughter only yesterday expressed her feelings of concern for my husbands lack of urgency! meaning she will allow him to take our grandson to the local park but will not allow him to take our grandson to lets say the city centre, or to the station to watch trains, she puts this concern down to my husbands 'child like' way of thinking, he does not share the 'sense of impending danger' as we do. In short he requires more 'guidance' from me than he did say 5 years ago? i feel he is more likely to need even more guidance in the future. Basically he just 'switches off', is unable to get his priorities in order, and forgets simple but important things like when a certain bill needs to be paid, or realising that an appointment set for 2pm means you are not supposed to start getting ready at 2pm but be at the appointment at 2pm. Little things like that make me worry for his future should he be left alone to care for himself. It sounds like your friend needs guidance too to be honest. Good luck Elaine From: Jo Orr <westromewestrome (DOT) com>To: aspires-relationshi psyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Friday, 20 February, 2009 11:57:14Subject: [aspires-relationsh ips] question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echo”. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Just a caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Thank you CJ, that is kind. I am passionate about this point because until people realize AS is a different way of thinking and perceiving rather than a disease or a problem, that there are huge variations in abilities among AS and there are co-morbidities (though I hate that word) which complicate matters further and other conditions which may appear similar, I don't think they can truly begin their journey of discovery, or really determine whether their relationships can work. Re: question Thank you for this excellent post, . There does seem to be a tendency in Aspie groups for people to attribute negative behaviors to a person's AS, when such behaviors are experienced by all sorts of people, both on the spectrum and off.Best,~CJ D. Pawliczek wrote:> I don't think anyone here is capable of answering that question, without > knowing your friend. I think there are times when AS symptoms can > become more pronounced with age -- but then we all change as we age, > some of us become grumpier, less tolerant, more reclusive, etc. But > there is no "one" progression or change for an AS person as they age, > that is going to apply to everyone (or even, anyone) else. If you learn > nothing else about AS, understand that every person is different in > their abilities and capabilities. It is not a disease, it is a > different neurological makeup. So it's not like cancer or MS or > something where you can say that it will probably ultimately cause "X" > result. It is a physical, neurological-based difference and for some > the difference makes for disability, while for others you might say they > don't have disabilities but instead gifts, of brilliance and superior > ability. For example does a blind or deaf person necessarily have more > difficulty as they age? How about a genius like Einstein, was life > harder for him as he aged? Maybe for some it becomes easier with time > to adapt. Whether or not she will be able to take care of herself > depends very much on her. If she is already very dependent upon someone > else while her health is good, she may not have what it takes to live > alone especially if her health and mobility decline. But there are many > AS who prefer to live alone and do just fine. It will depend upon her > health and physical abilities as well as her state of mind.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Jo said: She cannot be without contact from her husband for more than a few hours Jennie: When you say cannot... do you mean that literally? What happens when she is without contact? Jo said: and she has a cell phone with “two way” so she has immediate contact with him and others (me too) if needed. Jennie: Lots of people have two ways... that's why they manufacture and sell them...? Not sure what significance this has. Is she using it non-stop? Jo said: She also has behaviors such as: going to bed/waking up when her husband does (not by herself), Jennie: Hmmm... again a fair amount of married folk are like this, depends on culture, community habit, etc. Depends on Why she is doing this. Maybe he wants her to. Maybe she likes him and just wants to be with him. Jo said: she doesn’t watch any tv, Jennie: LOL TV is very overrated. I didn't even own a tv until I was in my late 20's and then only watched videos. I only recently within the last year started watching TV. It's a gigantic waste of time in my opinion. The news isn't even news just little 2 sec sound bites which gives you virtually no information. Not to mention every news commentator gives the news from their own perspective so you have to listen to several to get a full picture of the whole story and even then it's questionable. Jo said: she cannot make decisions immediately (she gets flustered), Jennie: This I would say is an AS thing. It comes from the need to examine all the information in order to make the most correct decision (at least this is true for me). When people try to rush me to make a decision quickly I then get flustered because there is no way to work through all that information quickly. I used to think this meant I was stupid because I couldn't work through all that information as quickly as others expected. I have since come to understand that others simply don't see all that information and make their decisions with about half the facts, thus they are quicker and don't get flustered. This is a matter of learning to filter information so that one can make a decision quicker if need be. It takes time and dedicated effort to learn to filter in order to be able to do it quickly. Jo said: she cannot cook that well (burns a lot of things), Jennie: Neither can my mother. Neither can lots of folk. That's what microwaves and quick meals are for. She probably gets distracted. The thing with cooking is you have to have a lot of focus on a variety of things all that once. That is difficult. I know how only because my mother didn't cook (ok she would sometimes make a stew that we then ate for the entire week) and it fell to my sisters and I to cook the food when we were kids growing up. After having had that stew entirely too many times we were happy to learn to cook. LOL Jo said: she gets overwhelmed when going grocery shopping, Jennie: She needs a routine and a list. I always go through the grocery store following the same path every single time. That way I never miss anything, never get confused or overwhelmed (except when they change the store around). Having a list helps, you can just check things off. I find it really helpful to walk through the store in my head and make the list while at home so I can go through the store and check things of the list in order according to how the store shelves the stuff. Jo said: has broken her arm twice in the last five years, Jennie: ? doing what. Did she just klutz out? Or fail to see the danger in something? I tend to be a klutz but so far have not broken any bones. Jo said: has been in a few minor car accidents and if I observe her at a distance, she seems “lost” amongst all the others she is around. Jennie: I always feel 'lost' amongst others. For many reasons. Any time I am in a group situation the noise is way to loud. It hurts my head and causes me to be unable to focus. It is very hard to have a conversation because it is both difficult to hear with background noise and also difficult to focus on only one voice (or voices). Also group events often come with a lot of touching, hugging, etc most of which I find difficult at best. Then add in all the smells from all those different people. It's not hard to see why an AS person would look 'lost' when you consider all the sensory input that is coming in to them. Think about it... recently there has been a huge controversy about the torture of prisoners of war and whether or not what they are doing to them is torture. The things they are doing are things like over whelming their senses. Bright lights, loud noise, etc and so forth. What AS and autistic folk live with regularly is being used to try to extract information from prisoners and it is called torture. Yes we can be 'lost' in groups. I avoid them. Jo said: I want to emphasize again that I am not judging her and I do accept her as she is but can I do anything for her to make her life easier? I have had many fun times with her and she has a brilliant mind. She plays the piano and does it well. She has formed a “bond” with me unlike a restrained relationship with her family ( I understand why now due to AS, I believe) She has been kind to me with small gifts, notes and small tokens of appreciation. I am just looking to the future and will she be ok? Jennie: If she could learn to work WITH some of her ASness it makes life easier. If I remember correctly you haven't suggested AS to her yet? If you really feel you have a bond with her then you may be the person who can approach her. Approach it from a POSITIVE viewpoint. Don't approach it as "This is why you have all these problems" Approach it from "This is why you are incredibly smart, (or whatever her positive AS traits are). Tony Attwoods 'Discovery of an Aspie' was a great first step for me because it was from a positive outlook instead of just about how rotten I am. Jennie AS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Sorry I found this note so late afterit was posted.I can provide a view from my own personal;experience regarding how AS progressed for me.As a child I was one of the many thatwas never diagnosed and therefore no intervention was possible.Growing up was awkward and bullyingwas a regular feature of school experience. AS folk tend to try tofly under the radar due to this because they do not want to stand out. This resulted in average academic performance and from a sports perspectivethe inherent clumsiness was a barrier to performing well at that.This is when avoidance behaviours setin and got reinforced and this becomes more entrenched over time.Into adulthood I seemed to be " normal " and threw myself into organisations like Lions, Jaycees, Rostrum and Toastmastersto try and develop some skills to get involved . The social awkwardnessremained and I found it challenging sticking to these types of endeavours,but I never had to account to anyone while single. I led my own privatelife away from work tending to isolate myself.Then came the marriage, which from dayone seemed fine but due to lack of awareness and the inherent inflexibilitycharacterised by AS, became after the first few years very challengingfor my wife. She took on board the task to keep the marriage tickingbut it was a huge effort by her to do this. When she reacted to thisafter a time I did not understand why she was so angry and tended to blameher. This led to a lot of dysfunctional behaviour and I developeda siege mentality which then precipitated panic attacks because I did notknow how to deal emotionally with what was going on.The usual thoughts regarding the situationwere that marriage counselling was required but I said no to that to thedisappointment of my wife because I did not see that there was anythingwrong with me. I saw it as others who had a problem and that drovethe wedge further until the relationship started breaking down.Eventually I read in a local paper anarticle on AS and found that I could identify so much with what was beingdescribed. I was desperate at this stage as by then I had isolatedmyself from my wife and daughters. I was not functioning emotionally.I contacted Aspires who directed me to a clinical psychologist who specialisedin AS. Getting a diagnosis vindicated whatmy wife had been thinking for some time. Basically I did not acceptthat I had a problem and thought it was still about relationship issuesand I fought the diagnosis for a couple of years. Any emotionallycharged issues I had expected my wife to fix and she was in a downwardspiral which I did not know how to help her with. She became totallyemotionally exhausted and concentrated on what she could control ratherthan deal with someone who refused to engage in a collaborative processto make some real improvements.From my side it seemed that I was totallyclueless about what I could change. I was successful career wisebut the avoidance behaviours led to feelings of rejection by my wife. Allof the life decisions I left up to her because I felt that if she madethe decisions that would make her happy. One of the key issues was my inabilityto listen to my wife because I was interpreting things based on limitedinformation. I could not read body language and facial cues which peoplewith NT seem to do intuitively. I was always focused on a solutionwhile she was trying to get a mutually agreeable outcome based on compromise.If I saw how something could be solved I went ahead and did it. Shefelt excluded from the process while I was stunned when things did notturn out to her liking. I always assumed that I had the right informationand acted on it which led to some disasters and my wife not getting whatshe wanted. This reinforced the avoidance behaviours which hurt myfamily more and more.My own family have not been supportiveof my wife, tending to blame her for what was going on. They werewrong and despite me trying over the last few years to convince them ofthis they believe it is something her and I have to sort out. Theydo not realise the huge toll it has taken of her and do not believe her. This is for life it is not something that can be cured as it is acognitive difference with how both her and I perceive the world and thinkabout things. It is a life sentence for both of us. Eventually I started to make some progressbut not anywhere near fast enough for my wife. That said things arestarting to get better but there is the 1 step forward and 2 steps backthat occur from time to time. Still finding it challenging but tryingto make a difference.Things do get worse as time progresseswith AS, unless the person who has it wants to do something about it. Thatis the key. No one else can do it for you. Thank God I havea very compassionate wife who wants to see things improve but is just aschallenged as I am in making that happen. Lets hope we get there.I hope this helps from an AS perspective. I did not develop this awareness until after the diagnosis.Gregdx AS at 53 " Jo Orr " Sent by: aspires-relationships 20/02/2009 10:57 PMPlease respond toaspires-relationships To<aspires-relationships >ccSubject question To everyone who responded to my question re:“echoâ€.This term was told to be by an OT (occupationaltherapist)and I had never heard of it before. Thankyou all for your responses.I have learned a lot about AS thru this siteand I am grateful foreveryone’s honesty and candid answers. Doesanyone know what effectAS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviorsbecome worse? I have a friend who isover 60 and am concerned if herspouse passed, would she be capable of takingcare of herself? She isvery dependent on her husband. Justa caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signaturedatabase 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Greg, I just wanted to take a moment to commend you on your post with respect to the progression of your own AS. It's really refreshing to see someone carefully analyze and accept responsibility for their own strengths and weaknesses within a relationship. Too often those on the spectrum lash out at NTs as being responsible for all of their struggles, without any compassion for the difficulties AS may present for both sides of the relationship. Excellent post. Best, ~CJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009  Hi Greg, I am always so grateful for your posts. This could be our story as well. The parts about inability to listen and issues relating to your family and their lack of support not only resonate, but are stunning for me to read - to know that someone with AS can see and voice this. I know that your wife has suffered as you most likely have as well - but the fact that you are coming so much closer to being on the same page, what a blessing. I send her my best wishes for the energy she needs so much - if she is like me, she is so very tired and while going forward, is trying each minute to figure out how. Thank you for sharing your vulnerability and thoughts with this post. Cheryl Re: question Sorry I found this note so late after it was posted. I can provide a view from my own personal; experience regarding how AS progressed for me. As a child I was one of the many that was never diagnosed and therefore no intervention was possible. Growing up was awkward and bullying was a regular feature of school experience. AS folk tend to try to fly under the radar due to this because they do not want to stand out. This resulted in average academic performance and from a sports perspective the inherent clumsiness was a barrier to performing well at that. This is when avoidance behaviours set in and got reinforced and this becomes more entrenched over time. Into adulthood I seemed to be "normal" and threw myself into organisations like Lions, Jaycees, Rostrum and Toastmasters to try and develop some skills to get involved . The social awkwardness remained and I found it challenging sticking to these types of endeavours, but I never had to account to anyone while single. I led my own private life away from work tending to isolate myself. Then came the marriage, which from day one seemed fine but due to lack of awareness and the inherent inflexibility characterised by AS, became after the first few years very challenging for my wife. She took on board the task to keep the marriage ticking but it was a huge effort by her to do this. When she reacted to this after a time I did not understand why she was so angry and tended to blame her. This led to a lot of dysfunctional behaviour and I developed a siege mentality which then precipitated panic attacks because I did not know how to deal emotionally with what was going on. The usual thoughts regarding the situation were that marriage counselling was required but I said no to that to the disappointment of my wife because I did not see that there was anything wrong with me. I saw it as others who had a problem and that drove the wedge further until the relationship started breaking down. Eventually I read in a local paper an article on AS and found that I could identify so much with what was being described. I was desperate at this stage as by then I had isolated myself from my wife and daughters. I was not functioning emotionally. I contacted Aspires who directed me to a clinical psychologist who specialised in AS. Getting a diagnosis vindicated what my wife had been thinking for some time. Basically I did not accept that I had a problem and thought it was still about relationship issues and I fought the diagnosis for a couple of years. Any emotionally charged issues I had expected my wife to fix and she was in a downward spiral which I did not know how to help her with. She became totally emotionally exhausted and concentrated on what she could control rather than deal with someone who refused to engage in a collaborative process to make some real improvements. From my side it seemed that I was totally clueless about what I could change. I was successful career wise but the avoidance behaviours led to feelings of rejection by my wife. All of the life decisions I left up to her because I felt that if she made the decisions that would make her happy. One of the key issues was my inability to listen to my wife because I was interpreting things based on limited information. I could not read body language and facial cues which people with NT seem to do intuitively. I was always focused on a solution while she was trying to get a mutually agreeable outcome based on compromise. If I saw how something could be solved I went ahead and did it. She felt excluded from the process while I was stunned when things did not turn out to her liking. I always assumed that I had the right information and acted on it which led to some disasters and my wife not getting what she wanted. This reinforced the avoidance behaviours which hurt my family more and more. My own family have not been supportive of my wife, tending to blame her for what was going on. They were wrong and despite me trying over the last few years to convince them of this they believe it is something her and I have to sort out. They do not realise the huge toll it has taken of her and do not believe her. This is for life it is not something that can be cured as it is a cognitive difference with how both her and I perceive the world and think about things. It is a life sentence for both of us. Eventually I started to make some progress but not anywhere near fast enough for my wife. That said things are starting to get better but there is the 1 step forward and 2 steps back that occur from time to time. Still finding it challenging but trying to make a difference. Things do get worse as time progresses with AS, unless the person who has it wants to do something about it. That is the key. No one else can do it for you. Thank God I have a very compassionate wife who wants to see things improve but is just as challenged as I am in making that happen. Lets hope we get there. I hope this helps from an AS perspective. I did not develop this awareness until after the diagnosis. Greg dx AS at 53 "Jo Orr" <westromewestrome> Sent by: aspires-relationships 20/02/2009 10:57 PM Please respond toaspires-relationships To <aspires-relationships > cc Subject question To everyone who responded to my question re: “echoâ€. This term was told to be by an OT (occupational therapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thank you all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this site and I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Does anyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who is over 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of taking care of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Cheryl,Thanks for the response. My wifehas been the main conduit for me understanding what had been going on,but it was only after the diagnosis and I started really listening to herthat this became apparent.I still get things wrong and have beenworking with the psychologist to control the avoidance behaviours whichby no means have disappeared. I have to learn to take risks and askdumb questions so that I can get things right.I don't know if the same applies inyour case but I became scared of taking the initiative on anything in therelationship because I felt so inadequate. My wife is still strugglingto understand that as she cannot fathom why I would act this way if I reallyloved her. Which indeed I do, but the love is out of need not a twoway fully functional and engaged model that most people expect. Herview is that she has been giving and I have been taking in the relationship,and I think in a sense that is true. My giving is the financial support,but the emotional support is missing. So I expect things from herthat I am unable to provide back to her which is encouragement, and emotionalresponse to meet her needs.She has issues as a result of all thistoo. You do not come out of this unscathed. Her self confidenceand self esteem have been impacted hugely. Each day is a strugglefor her and me. There is an internal demon that I am fighting againstwhich creates a lot of the anxiety and tension.My wife could have chosen to leave butshe stayed. That is what is so important. One final thing in all this. Thelife of an AS can have such a profound affect on the NT partner to theextent that they have to either get out or start living the same sort oflife as the AS partner. This is what has happened for my wife. Myway or the highway as the old saying goes. Greg GreerManager, Enterprise Service ManagementService ManagementIBM Corporation-Level 2, 3 Brookhollow Ave, BaulkhamHills, NSW 2065'Tel: +61-2-9849-1989ÈMobile:+61-Fax: +61-2-9849-16568Email: ggreer@... " Cheryl Cain " Sent by: aspires-relationships 09/03/2009 12:38 PMPlease respond toaspires-relationships To<aspires-relationships >ccSubjectRe: question Hi Greg, I am always so grateful for your posts. This could be our story as well. Theparts about inability to listen and issues relating to your family andtheir lack of support not only resonate, but are stunning for me to read- to know that someone with AS can see and voice this. I know that your wife has suffered as youmost likely have as well - but the fact that you are coming so much closerto being on the same page, what a blessing. I send her my best wishes for the energyshe needs so much - if she is like me, she is so very tired and while goingforward, is trying each minute to figure out how. Thank you for sharing your vulnerabilityand thoughts with this post. Cheryl Re: questionSorry I found this note so late after it was posted.I can provide a view from my own personal; experience regarding how ASprogressed for me. As a child I was one of the many that was never diagnosed and thereforeno intervention was possible. Growing up was awkward and bullying was a regular feature of school experience. AS folk tend to try to fly under the radar due to this because theydo not want to stand out. This resulted in average academic performanceand from a sports perspective the inherent clumsiness was a barrier toperforming well at that. This is when avoidance behaviours set in and got reinforced and this becomesmore entrenched over time. Into adulthood I seemed to be " normal " and threw myself intoorganisations like Lions, Jaycees, Rostrum and Toastmasters to try anddevelop some skills to get involved . The social awkwardness remainedand I found it challenging sticking to these types of endeavours, but Inever had to account to anyone while single. I led my own privatelife away from work tending to isolate myself. Then came the marriage, which from day one seemed fine but due to lackof awareness and the inherent inflexibility characterised by AS, becameafter the first few years very challenging for my wife. She tookon board the task to keep the marriage ticking but it was a huge effortby her to do this. When she reacted to this after a time I did notunderstand why she was so angry and tended to blame her. This ledto a lot of dysfunctional behaviour and I developed a siege mentality whichthen precipitated panic attacks because I did not know how to deal emotionallywith what was going on. The usual thoughts regarding the situation were that marriage counsellingwas required but I said no to that to the disappointment of my wife becauseI did not see that there was anything wrong with me. I saw it asothers who had a problem and that drove the wedge further until the relationshipstarted breaking down. Eventually I read in a local paper an article on AS and found that I couldidentify so much with what was being described. I was desperate atthis stage as by then I had isolated myself from my wife and daughters. I was not functioning emotionally. I contacted Aspires who directedme to a clinical psychologist who specialised in AS. Getting a diagnosis vindicated what my wife had been thinking for sometime. Basically I did not accept that I had a problem and thoughtit was still about relationship issues and I fought the diagnosis for acouple of years. Any emotionally charged issues I had expected mywife to fix and she was in a downward spiral which I did not know how tohelp her with. She became totally emotionally exhausted and concentratedon what she could control rather than deal with someone who refused toengage in a collaborative process to make some real improvements.From my side it seemed that I was totally clueless about what I could change. I was successful career wise but the avoidance behaviours led tofeelings of rejection by my wife. All of the life decisions I leftup to her because I felt that if she made the decisions that would makeher happy. One of the key issues was my inability to listen to my wife because I wasinterpreting things based on limited information. I could not read bodylanguage and facial cues which people with NT seem to do intuitively. Iwas always focused on a solution while she was trying to get a mutuallyagreeable outcome based on compromise. If I saw how something could besolved I went ahead and did it. She felt excluded from the processwhile I was stunned when things did not turn out to her liking. Ialways assumed that I had the right information and acted on it which ledto some disasters and my wife not getting what she wanted. This reinforcedthe avoidance behaviours which hurt my family more and more.My own family have not been supportive of my wife, tending to blame herfor what was going on. They were wrong and despite me trying overthe last few years to convince them of this they believe it is somethingher and I have to sort out. They do not realise the huge toll ithas taken of her and do not believe her. This is for life it is notsomething that can be cured as it is a cognitive difference with how bothher and I perceive the world and think about things. It is a lifesentence for both of us. Eventually I started to make some progress but not anywhere near fast enoughfor my wife. That said things are starting to get better but thereis the 1 step forward and 2 steps back that occur from time to time. Stillfinding it challenging but trying to make a difference.Things do get worse as time progresses with AS, unless the person who hasit wants to do something about it. That is the key. No oneelse can do it for you. Thank God I have a very compassionate wifewho wants to see things improve but is just as challenged as I am in makingthat happen. Lets hope we get there. I hope this helps from an AS perspective. I did not develop thisawareness until after the diagnosis. Greg dx AS at 53 " JoOrr " Sent by: aspires-relationships 20/02/2009 10:57 PMPlease respond toaspires-relationships To<aspires-relationships >ccSubject questionTo everyone who responded to my question re:“echoâ€. This term was told to be by an OT (occupationaltherapist) and I had never heard of it before. Thankyou all for your responses. I have learned a lot about AS thru this siteand I am grateful for everyone’s honesty and candid answers. Doesanyone know what effect AS will have on someone as they become older? Do the actions/behaviors become worse? I have a friend who isover 60 and am concerned if her spouse passed, would she be capable of takingcare of herself? She is very dependent on her husband. Justa caring friend. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signaturedatabase 3873 (20090220) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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