Low sIgA, want to add glutamine, but concerned about glutamate

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr McCandless, , and Listmates,

I have read Dr McCandless's book as well as this group that Dr

McCandless has recommended the supplementation of glutamine for

exceedingly low sIgA.

From other sources, I have read that, among many possible causes, low

sIgA can result from protein deficiency, as sIgA is made from

L-glutamine.

My daughter's sIgA was elevated many years ago when we were 100% on

DAN protocol and supplementing glutamine and others. Then, shortly

after I started Dr Amy Yasko's protocol, I stopped all glutamine and

glutamate supplements, because of the potential excitoxicity from

glutamate, and because metals reduced the enzyme that convert

glutamate back to glutamine. In addition, she has been on basically a

no-protein diet, and it's a struggle for me just to add in 1/2

teaspoon of rice protein. Yasko recommends colostrum on low sIgA, but

it has never made an appreciable difference to her sIgA.

In short, she has very little dietary intakes of glutamine, and her

sIgA has been consistently and exceedingly low, between 10 and 30.

Given my concerned about glutamate and excitoxicity, would you

recommend me to add in glutamine to increase her sIgA?

Thank you so much for your guidance,

Bo

[Guest guest]

Bo... I would reevaluate the diet regardless of what protocol you are

using.. a " no protein " diet is not healthy for anyone and can get a

lot of things out of balance including aminos.

Best of luck,

Moderator

>

> Dear Dr McCandless, , and Listmates,

>

> I have read Dr McCandless's book as well as this group that Dr

> McCandless has recommended the supplementation of glutamine for

> exceedingly low sIgA.

>

> From other sources, I have read that, among many possible causes,

low

> sIgA can result from protein deficiency, as sIgA is made from

> L-glutamine.

>

> My daughter's sIgA was elevated many years ago when we were 100% on

> DAN protocol and supplementing glutamine and others. Then, shortly

> after I started Dr Amy Yasko's protocol, I stopped all glutamine and

> glutamate supplements, because of the potential excitoxicity from

> glutamate, and because metals reduced the enzyme that convert

> glutamate back to glutamine. In addition, she has been on basically

a

> no-protein diet, and it's a struggle for me just to add in 1/2

> teaspoon of rice protein. Yasko recommends colostrum on low sIgA,

but

> it has never made an appreciable difference to her sIgA.

>

> In short, she has very little dietary intakes of glutamine, and her

> sIgA has been consistently and exceedingly low, between 10 and 30.

>

> Given my concerned about glutamate and excitoxicity, would you

> recommend me to add in glutamine to increase her sIgA?

>

> Thank you so much for your guidance,

> Bo

>

[Guest guest]

Bo,

I would absolutely agree with that a no-protein diet is not

healthy. By the way, it will NOT lower plasma amino acids, but it may

reduce your blood proteins.. It may raise the free amino acid pool in the

blood (especially the non-essential aminos) as the body will start to break

down body proteins in order to cope with any deficit and it will use up the

essential amino acids and leave the non-essential as waste.

I don't know where you read about glutamine being used to make secretory

IgA, but IgA is a protein and proteins are made from lots of different

amino acids, many of which have gone through a lot of conversions before

they ever get made into secretory IgA.

There is an article on the amino acid content of the secretory component of

IgA, and glutamine doesn't make the list, but the highest amino acids were

glutamate, aspartic acid, and glycine. Two different labs did this

calculation and they did not agree by much! A third article just looking

at the J chain had aspartic acid as the winner hands down. But, where

would a cell get the aspartic acid for this protein assembly? The article

on it in Wikipedia says: " Aspartic acid is pervasive in biosynthesis. "

Glutamine is well known to be healing to the gut and that is probably the

biggest reason to consider it as a supplement in autism. You can find a

discussion of glutamine's merits and more

at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

A lot of people make a fuss over glutamine because they also make a fuss

over glutamate because it is excitatory and they know the two are easily

interconverted.. I think people who get REALLy into worrying about this

pair have not studied all the other roles of these amino acids nor really

what a little bit of the job any receptor interaction represents in the big

picture.

Just to give you a feel for that, look at the metabolic chart of what

branches off glutamate: http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/map/map00251.html

Bo, please feel free to contact me oflist and maybe we could set up a

consult, for I would like to review the labwork you have had done about

amino acids and such and what led to the advice to restrict protein so

severely.

Has your child been growing properly? How is his weight? When growth or

weight slacks off, it is time to regroup and figure out what isn't working

right!

Just remember: Most of the amino acids your body uses for everything are

coming from recycling amino acids in existing proteins in your body that

are being constantly recycled by cells, and then used or moved around. The

excitatory amino acids do appear to be the most abundant of the amino acids

in most proteins. Maybe when people are thinking about protein related to

nutrition, they think of meats and perhaps beans if they are vegetarian,

but please remember EVERY enzyme is a protein and every cell is full of

proteins with many, many jobs. Most of the larger molecules in all your

cells are made of protein, and some are modified by chains of carbohydrate.

We cannot assume that what we eat stays in that form. There are hundreds

or maybe even thousands of transformations that may take place either

instead of or before an amino acid is going to be functioning as a

signalling molecule in the space between neurons! These amino acids are

not ubiquitous.... Odds are the amino acids are going to have an encounter

with the nervous system of the gut long before that amino acid (that could

be turning into something else in the meantime that has nothing to do with

neurons) would reach the neurons in the brain. It is so important to

remember context and other possibilities.

At 04:10 PM 8/14/2007, you wrote:

>Dear Dr McCandless, , and Listmates,

>

>I have read Dr McCandless's book as well as this group that Dr

>McCandless has recommended the supplementation of glutamine for

>exceedingly low sIgA.

>

> From other sources, I have read that, among many possible causes, low

>sIgA can result from protein deficiency, as sIgA is made from

>L-glutamine.

>

>My daughter's sIgA was elevated many years ago when we were 100% on

>DAN protocol and supplementing glutamine and others. Then, shortly

>after I started Dr Amy Yasko's protocol, I stopped all glutamine and

>glutamate supplements, because of the potential excitoxicity from

>glutamate, and because metals reduced the enzyme that convert

>glutamate back to glutamine. In addition, she has been on basically a

>no-protein diet, and it's a struggle for me just to add in 1/2

>teaspoon of rice protein. Yasko recommends colostrum on low sIgA, but

>it has never made an appreciable difference to her sIgA.

>

>In short, she has very little dietary intakes of glutamine, and her

>sIgA has been consistently and exceedingly low, between 10 and 30.

>

>Given my concerned about glutamate and excitoxicity, would you

>recommend me to add in glutamine to increase her sIgA?

>

>Thank you so much for your guidance,

>Bo

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and ,

Thank you very much for your kind response. I am with you that

no-protein diet is undesirable. It's not my choice. Before we started

on the Yasko protocol, my daughter's diet consisted of mainly chicken

and beef (and she is CBS+). As soon as we started on the Yasko

protocol, she decided on her own to eliminate meats of all kinds. Over

the past year or so, I have been trying to get some protein into her,

such as sneaking in a teaspoon of rice protein, but she clearly

resists. My DAN doctor has tried many ways to introduce meats back,

but we had little success so far.

I am doing amino acid urine test on a regular basis, and plasma amino

acids once a while. I have been supplementing various amino acids --

both BCAA and non-essentials including lysine and arginine etc.

-- I may be wrong in reading that sIgA is derived from

glutamine. There are many studies that show that glutamine

supplementation helps increase sIgA.

I don't know how to reconcile some major differences between you/DrJM

and Yasko protocol. You mentioned that sIgA is made of primarily

glutamate, aspartic acid, and glycine, and these three amino acids are

big no-no on Yasko protocol.

I'd really need some help in going beyond the Yasko protocol. ,

I'd take your offer and write to you off-list to make an appointment

for a consultation.

BTW -- I started on the MindLink probitics with 500mg glutamine per

gram. So far, I have not seen any adverse. Furthermore, I have been

using NAG for several months, and NAG seems to help.

and -- Thank you for bearing with me for talking about my

quandary on the Yasko protocol.

Bo

>

> Bo,

>

> I would absolutely agree with that a no-protein diet is not

> healthy. By the way, it will NOT lower plasma amino acids, but it may

> reduce your blood proteins.. It may raise the free amino acid pool

in the

> blood (especially the non-essential aminos) as the body will start

to break

> down body proteins in order to cope with any deficit and it will use

up the

> essential amino acids and leave the non-essential as waste.

>

> I don't know where you read about glutamine being used to make

secretory

> IgA, but IgA is a protein and proteins are made from lots of different

> amino acids, many of which have gone through a lot of conversions

before

> they ever get made into secretory IgA.

>

> There is an article on the amino acid content of the secretory

component of

> IgA, and glutamine doesn't make the list, but the highest amino

acids were

> glutamate, aspartic acid, and glycine. Two different labs did this

> calculation and they did not agree by much! A third article just

looking

> at the J chain had aspartic acid as the winner hands down. But, where

> would a cell get the aspartic acid for this protein assembly? The

article

> on it in Wikipedia says: " Aspartic acid is pervasive in biosynthesis. "

>

> Glutamine is well known to be healing to the gut and that is

probably the

> biggest reason to consider it as a supplement in autism. You can

find a

> discussion of glutamine's merits and more

> at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

>

> A lot of people make a fuss over glutamine because they also make a

fuss

> over glutamate because it is excitatory and they know the two are

easily

> interconverted.. I think people who get REALLy into worrying about

this

> pair have not studied all the other roles of these amino acids nor

really

> what a little bit of the job any receptor interaction represents in

the big

> picture.

>

> Just to give you a feel for that, look at the metabolic chart of what

> branches off glutamate:

http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/map/map00251.html

>

> Bo, please feel free to contact me oflist and maybe we could set up a

> consult, for I would like to review the labwork you have had done about

> amino acids and such and what led to the advice to restrict protein so

> severely.

>

> Has your child been growing properly? How is his weight? When

growth or

> weight slacks off, it is time to regroup and figure out what isn't

working

> right!

>

> Just remember: Most of the amino acids your body uses for

everything are

> coming from recycling amino acids in existing proteins in your body

that

> are being constantly recycled by cells, and then used or moved

around. The

> excitatory amino acids do appear to be the most abundant of the

amino acids

> in most proteins. Maybe when people are thinking about protein

related to

> nutrition, they think of meats and perhaps beans if they are

vegetarian,

> but please remember EVERY enzyme is a protein and every cell is full of

> proteins with many, many jobs. Most of the larger molecules in all

your

> cells are made of protein, and some are modified by chains of

carbohydrate.

>

> We cannot assume that what we eat stays in that form. There are

hundreds

> or maybe even thousands of transformations that may take place either

> instead of or before an amino acid is going to be functioning as a

> signalling molecule in the space between neurons! These amino acids

are

> not ubiquitous.... Odds are the amino acids are going to have an

encounter

> with the nervous system of the gut long before that amino acid (that

could

> be turning into something else in the meantime that has nothing to

do with

> neurons) would reach the neurons in the brain. It is so important to

> remember context and other possibilities.

>

>

[Guest guest]

have you tried protiens with protien enzymes.....like ultrase MT, secretin,

creon, ect. I know yasko even talks about pancreatic support. if you have

pancretic issues then you couldn't break down protiens anyway which would cause

stomach issues and mess with amino acids. doing an ezyme would work with all

that.....we are also having to do this, due to metabolic disorders with his

pancrease

Re: Low sIgA, want to add glutamine, but concerned

about glutamate

and ,

Thank you very much for your kind response. I am with you that

no-protein diet is undesirable. It's not my choice. Before we started

on the Yasko protocol, my daughter's diet consisted of mainly chicken

and beef (and she is CBS+). As soon as we started on the Yasko

protocol, she decided on her own to eliminate meats of all kinds. Over

the past year or so, I have been trying to get some protein into her,

such as sneaking in a teaspoon of rice protein, but she clearly

resists. My DAN doctor has tried many ways to introduce meats back,

but we had little success so far.

I am doing amino acid urine test on a regular basis, and plasma amino

acids once a while. I have been supplementing various amino acids --

both BCAA and non-essentials including lysine and arginine etc.

-- I may be wrong in reading that sIgA is derived from

glutamine. There are many studies that show that glutamine

supplementation helps increase sIgA.

I don't know how to reconcile some major differences between you/DrJM

and Yasko protocol. You mentioned that sIgA is made of primarily

glutamate, aspartic acid, and glycine, and these three amino acids are

big no-no on Yasko protocol.

I'd really need some help in going beyond the Yasko protocol. ,

I'd take your offer and write to you off-list to make an appointment

for a consultation.

BTW -- I started on the MindLink probitics with 500mg glutamine per

gram. So far, I have not seen any adverse. Furthermore, I have been

using NAG for several months, and NAG seems to help.

and -- Thank you for bearing with me for talking about my

quandary on the Yasko protocol.

Bo

>

> Bo,

>

> I would absolutely agree with that a no-protein diet is not

> healthy. By the way, it will NOT lower plasma amino acids, but it may

> reduce your blood proteins.. It may raise the free amino acid pool

in the

> blood (especially the non-essential aminos) as the body will start

to break

> down body proteins in order to cope with any deficit and it will use

up the

> essential amino acids and leave the non-essential as waste.

>

> I don't know where you read about glutamine being used to make

secretory

> IgA, but IgA is a protein and proteins are made from lots of different

> amino acids, many of which have gone through a lot of conversions

before

> they ever get made into secretory IgA.

>

> There is an article on the amino acid content of the secretory

component of

> IgA, and glutamine doesn't make the list, but the highest amino

acids were

> glutamate, aspartic acid, and glycine. Two different labs did this

> calculation and they did not agree by much! A third article just

looking

> at the J chain had aspartic acid as the winner hands down. But, where

> would a cell get the aspartic acid for this protein assembly? The

article

> on it in Wikipedia says: " Aspartic acid is pervasive in biosynthesis. "

>

> Glutamine is well known to be healing to the gut and that is

probably the

> biggest reason to consider it as a supplement in autism. You can

find a

> discussion of glutamine's merits and more

> at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

>

> A lot of people make a fuss over glutamine because they also make a

fuss

> over glutamate because it is excitatory and they know the two are

easily

> interconverted.. I think people who get REALLy into worrying about

this

> pair have not studied all the other roles of these amino acids nor

really

> what a little bit of the job any receptor interaction represents in

the big

> picture.

>

> Just to give you a feel for that, look at the metabolic chart of what

> branches off glutamate:

http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/map/map00251.html

>

> Bo, please feel free to contact me oflist and maybe we could set up a

> consult, for I would like to review the labwork you have had done about

> amino acids and such and what led to the advice to restrict protein so

> severely.

>

> Has your child been growing properly? How is his weight? When

growth or

> weight slacks off, it is time to regroup and figure out what isn't

working

> right!

>

> Just remember: Most of the amino acids your body uses for

everything are

> coming from recycling amino acids in existing proteins in your body

that

> are being constantly recycled by cells, and then used or moved

around. The

> excitatory amino acids do appear to be the most abundant of the

amino acids

> in most proteins. Maybe when people are thinking about protein

related to

> nutrition, they think of meats and perhaps beans if they are

vegetarian,

> but please remember EVERY enzyme is a protein and every cell is full of

> proteins with many, many jobs. Most of the larger molecules in all

your

> cells are made of protein, and some are modified by chains of

carbohydrate.

>

> We cannot assume that what we eat stays in that form. There are

hundreds

> or maybe even thousands of transformations that may take place either

> instead of or before an amino acid is going to be functioning as a

> signalling molecule in the space between neurons! These amino acids

are

> not ubiquitous.... Odds are the amino acids are going to have an

encounter

> with the nervous system of the gut long before that amino acid (that

could

> be turning into something else in the meantime that has nothing to

do with

> neurons) would reach the neurons in the brain. It is so important to

> remember context and other possibilities.

>

>

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Hi, Christel,

Thank you for your response. My daughter has VDR Fok + and we have

been on Yasko's comprehensive pancreatic support for 2+ years, and

these supplements include: OraPancreas, gymnema sylvstre, GABA, pig

duodenum, Super Digestive enzymes (high in pancreatin), vitamin D,

vitamin K and Rosemary. In addition, I also various enzymes from

Enzymatica brand.

The puzzling thing was that before we supported her pancreas, she was

eating meats all the time (we used enzymes always), and then with

pancreas and other Yasko support, she stopped eating protein.

Thank you again for bringing up the pancreas support,

Bo

>

> have you tried protiens with protien enzymes.....like ultrase MT,

secretin, creon, ect. I know yasko even talks about pancreatic

support. if you have pancretic issues then you couldn't break down

protiens anyway which would cause stomach issues and mess with amino

acids. doing an ezyme would work with all that.....we are also having

to do this, due to metabolic disorders with his pancrease

[Guest guest]

Bo.. once again I would definitely not stay on a diet of no protein.

And as a " tough love " mom who learned from the best like Anagrammy

and Dr. JM, I would not offer meals that did not include protein and

other vital foods even if it wasn't popular. ) And believe me what

my son's body needed was not always popular with him!

If this was triggered by any protocol changes, I'd rethink that

protocol and look at other options to accomplish your goals or do a

combo of treatments. All of this is said in kindness and with true

concern for a child who may be self limiting in a way that may have

deterimental effects. I'd definitely re-look at things and use good

ole' common sense to guide you as well as recommendations. You know

your child best and this is just my lay opinion but given after lots

of experience with food and gut issues unfortunately. My son did not

always want what he needed.... you may not be facing this with your

child but many of us did/do. I am always amused when people say their

child does not like something and won't eat it. It's just not a

choice at our home and I phase things in gradually but still things

are not always popular. My NT child is the same way as are most

children... they don't always like or want what their body needs..

it's really no different with my recovered kid and his sister who

never had any issues... we have to have a little bit

of " encouragement " with virtually all new foods until they get used

to them and develop a taste for them. Just my .02 and hopefully

you will find the right answer for your child very soon. I am not

discounting those situations where children have truly serious gut

issues that go beyond the norm... just speaking towards the general

population of children. Best of luck!

All the best,

Moderator

> >

> > have you tried protiens with protien enzymes.....like ultrase MT,

> secretin, creon, ect. I know yasko even talks about pancreatic

> support. if you have pancretic issues then you couldn't break down

> protiens anyway which would cause stomach issues and mess with amino

> acids. doing an ezyme would work with all that.....we are also

having

> to do this, due to metabolic disorders with his pancrease

>

[Guest guest]

Bo, to me this sounds like your child may have a pork allergy and with you doing

some of duodenum of pig and such it's hurting her stomach and she needs

something synthetic but still a protein type thing.....have you done EFA testing

to see what is going on fats wise

Re: Low sIgA, want to add glutamine, but concerned

about glutamate

Bo.. once again I would definitely not stay on a diet of no protein.

And as a " tough love " mom who learned from the best like Anagrammy

and Dr. JM, I would not offer meals that did not include protein and

other vital foods even if it wasn't popular. ) And believe me what

my son's body needed was not always popular with him!

If this was triggered by any protocol changes, I'd rethink that

protocol and look at other options to accomplish your goals or do a

combo of treatments. All of this is said in kindness and with true

concern for a child who may be self limiting in a way that may have

deterimental effects. I'd definitely re-look at things and use good

ole' common sense to guide you as well as recommendations. You know

your child best and this is just my lay opinion but given after lots

of experience with food and gut issues unfortunately. My son did not

always want what he needed.... you may not be facing this with your

child but many of us did/do. I am always amused when people say their

child does not like something and won't eat it. It's just not a

choice at our home and I phase things in gradually but still things

are not always popular. My NT child is the same way as are most

children... they don't always like or want what their body needs..

it's really no different with my recovered kid and his sister who

never had any issues... we have to have a little bit

of " encouragement " with virtually all new foods until they get used

to them and develop a taste for them. Just my .02 and hopefully

you will find the right answer for your child very soon. I am not

discounting those situations where children have truly serious gut

issues that go beyond the norm... just speaking towards the general

population of children. Best of luck!

All the best,

Moderator

> >

> > have you tried protiens with protien enzymes.....like ultrase MT,

> secretin, creon, ect. I know yasko even talks about pancreatic

> support. if you have pancretic issues then you couldn't break down

> protiens anyway which would cause stomach issues and mess with amino

> acids. doing an ezyme would work with all that.....we are also

having

> to do this, due to metabolic disorders with his pancrease

>

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Hi Bo, , Christel, and others following this thread...

There was a time, way early in our journey, when my daughter would eat

only rice pasta (following a viral episode at 15 months and subsequent

gut bugs). One thing that helped us get her back toward eating

proteins was using what is now sold as Klaire Amino Acid Complete

Combination Amino Acid Supplement. Every time she had a meal that did

not include protein, I'd give her the amino acid supplement.

I'm wondering what others think of this as a way to get Bo's daughter

back toward tolerating proteins. I do agree with others who are

suggesting that a protocol that results in a child's wholesale

rejection of foods that are necessary should be re-evaluated for

possible allergic reactions or other blocks to important biochemical

pathways.

In our case, our daughter gradually became more flexible in her diet

and eats a great deal of meat, including organic beefalo, chicken and

turkey. I think having the " meenos " allowed me to flex with her when

she didn't want meat, which helped her flex with me when I insisted

that she eat it. She won't eat pork, however.

In visiting the farm where our meat comes from last week, I learned

that corn and soy are a large part of the diet of pigs. Soy is also a

huge component in chicken feed. Does anyone know whether this can

have an effect on a child's tolerance of a meat? I was very glad to

learn that the beefalo are raised entirely on pasture. Some farmers

start their cattle on grass, but " finish " them on grain-based feed.

If what the animal eats can affect our children's tolerance of a meat,

this might be worth exploring as well. Could pig duodenum be heavily

soy-based as well?

At several points in our journey we have tried to incorporate

supplements such as neuromins and DPPIV at professionals' suggestions.

With each of these, dd stopped eating on a dime. As she was not

verbal then, I had to believe that her body wasn't functioning well on

this supplement. We had to wait a long time to find EFA supplements

she could tolerate, and I worried at the time.

Bo, you are not alone in feeling caught between the varying

professionals' viewpoints within the DAN! and biomedical intervention

circles. I struggle with this each time a see the DAN!, then go to

the nutritionist, etc. This is one reason I value this list so

highly...it helps so much to hear what other parents are trying and

finding useful and doable.

I thank you for bringing all of this up. I learn SO much from this

group and am constantly humbled at the intelligence, creativity and

dedication of the professionals and parents I have the priviledge to

know here.

Thanks,

Carla, mom to Aidan Leah, 9

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for us we couldn't break down proteins of meat and fats found through dr Buie.

so we had to enzymes to see the benifits, we still have yet to have a normal AA

test either by blood or urine. they are either off the chart low if fasting or

off the chart high when eating. our dr's are at a loss. we are getting ready

to see a metabolic speicalist dr Korsen in boston next week in hopes of getting

more answers. we do have 17 genetic mutations which many of them play into the

metabolism of meats and fats as well so that may be part of it. eating only

rice posta to me would send up red flags for a rice allergy or yeast issue to

me. which would restrict them. our son however can't do grain feed meats.

they have to be veggie fed. our son has seizered from grain fed beef as had our

NT daughter. my kids are to sensitive.....so I would imagine soy would and

could do the same thing.....

Re: Low sIgA, want to add glutamine, but concerned

about glutamate

Hi Bo, , Christel, and others following this thread...

There was a time, way early in our journey, when my daughter would eat

only rice pasta (following a viral episode at 15 months and subsequent

gut bugs). One thing that helped us get her back toward eating

proteins was using what is now sold as Klaire Amino Acid Complete

Combination Amino Acid Supplement. Every time she had a meal that did

not include protein, I'd give her the amino acid supplement.

I'm wondering what others think of this as a way to get Bo's daughter

back toward tolerating proteins. I do agree with others who are

suggesting that a protocol that results in a child's wholesale

rejection of foods that are necessary should be re-evaluated for

possible allergic reactions or other blocks to important biochemical

pathways.

In our case, our daughter gradually became more flexible in her diet

and eats a great deal of meat, including organic beefalo, chicken and

turkey. I think having the " meenos " allowed me to flex with her when

she didn't want meat, which helped her flex with me when I insisted

that she eat it. She won't eat pork, however.

In visiting the farm where our meat comes from last week, I learned

that corn and soy are a large part of the diet of pigs. Soy is also a

huge component in chicken feed. Does anyone know whether this can

have an effect on a child's tolerance of a meat? I was very glad to

learn that the beefalo are raised entirely on pasture. Some farmers

start their cattle on grass, but " finish " them on grain-based feed.

If what the animal eats can affect our children's tolerance of a meat,

this might be worth exploring as well. Could pig duodenum be heavily

soy-based as well?

At several points in our journey we have tried to incorporate

supplements such as neuromins and DPPIV at professionals' suggestions.

With each of these, dd stopped eating on a dime. As she was not

verbal then, I had to believe that her body wasn't functioning well on

this supplement. We had to wait a long time to find EFA supplements

she could tolerate, and I worried at the time.

Bo, you are not alone in feeling caught between the varying

professionals' viewpoints within the DAN! and biomedical intervention

circles. I struggle with this each time a see the DAN!, then go to

the nutritionist, etc. This is one reason I value this list so

highly...it helps so much to hear what other parents are trying and

finding useful and doable.

I thank you for bringing all of this up. I learn SO much from this

group and am constantly humbled at the intelligence, creativity and

dedication of the professionals and parents I have the priviledge to

know here.

Thanks,

Carla, mom to Aidan Leah, 9

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sounds like your child is allergic to pork then

Re: Low sIgA, want to add glutamine, but concerned

about glutamate

Hi, Christel,

Thank you for your response. My daughter has VDR Fok + and we have

been on Yasko's comprehensive pancreatic support for 2+ years, and

these supplements include: OraPancreas, gymnema sylvstre, GABA, pig

duodenum, Super Digestive enzymes (high in pancreatin), vitamin D,

vitamin K and Rosemary. In addition, I also various enzymes from

Enzymatica brand.

The puzzling thing was that before we supported her pancreas, she was

eating meats all the time (we used enzymes always), and then with

pancreas and other Yasko support, she stopped eating protein.

Thank you again for bringing up the pancreas support,

Bo

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> have you tried protiens with protien enzymes.....like ultrase MT,

secretin, creon, ect. I know yasko even talks about pancreatic

support. if you have pancretic issues then you couldn't break down

protiens anyway which would cause stomach issues and mess with amino

acids. doing an ezyme would work with all that.....we are also having

to do this, due to metabolic disorders with his pancrease

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