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Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of

doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future.

Thanks for the tip,

And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin)

Imogene

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Imogene...

Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective,

and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold them

more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess that

the water can.

Jannis

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Dear, dear Kathy, Thank you.

I have been sick the past two days after that all day experience. I don't

know what kind Of help I'll get, but I am working on it.

When was your diagnosed? I know it doesn't have a whole lot of

bearing on how far along into the illness he is, as some progress into it

faster

than others.

But, it has some bearing, and I was wondering if he was the same as My Don,

if so,

what prompted you to get hospice? I know we can have Hospice up to two years

prior to our LOs demise, but I don't feel Don is ready for that yet. I don't

even feel he is ready for a nursing home yet. (but, I am, smile). No, maybe

he is ready for all of it, and I am denying it. Better think about that.

Most people don't have a definite time, so their illness is set at the time

they were diagnosed. Don wasn't diagnosed until 2005, and the Neurologist

said he had AD. But, a few months later Don was diagnosed with LBD by a

Geriatric/Psychiatrist.

I can look back and tell you the year that my Don showed signs of this

illness. It was way back to 1995. He had to quit work because he could no

longer

work with math, and I had proof of it, because he did a fine job messing up

our check book. He had many signs through those years. Lots of them, but I

didn't know they were signs of a very, very serious illness. Don hasn't fainted

yet, but does get very light headed and woozy. He nearly falls, but hasn't

yet.

We are trying Miralax (sp) after finally getting relief. I hope it will help

him. What do any of you think of this as a way to keep him regular? It is

not supposed to interfere with his medication. I don't ever want to go through

another scoop the poop day, like that one. I just didn't see it coming, but

if and when there is a next time, I will be prepared. I was trying to use the

old kind or enema, but no matter what I did, he wouldn't hold a quarter of a

cup of liquid. I inserted it high, and held his cheeks together, but he

managed to expel it. I would say hold it, hold it, and he couldn't get it in

his

head. Nope, not another day like that for me. I'll use dynamite, (grin) Think

that will work?

Don used to worry about our finances, but I let him keep a little money (he

can't count) And I tell him that things are being cared for. It has finally

taken away the loops he use to put me through.

Thank you precious Kathy. But, do tell me when was diagnosed, please.

I would like to keep track of our men. You seem to know how to care for

in every way. I think you deserve a big gold star. You are a fine mate

to

him.

Love a lot, and laugh if you can, We still do once in a while.

Imogene

In a message dated 7/12/2008 5:36:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

kathymjacobs@... writes:

" He is asleep right now.

>

> What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead.

>

> Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest.

> Imogene

"

Dear Imogene,

My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving

enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after

several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had

some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The

volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon

patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations --

although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted

$10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all

state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying

to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant.

I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a

difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just

added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of

low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning.

They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him.

I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough

spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love.

Kathy

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Hi all and welcome, Pat!

It's good to have you with us, although we're also sorry when someone has to

find us. However, this is a great group of people with much wisdom and

compassion.

 

Just a word about other reasons for fainting, falling, getting the " glasy-eye "

look:  LBD, like PD, affects the nervous systems of the body which can impact

even the involuntary bodily functions like respiration, blood pressure, etc.

Some with LBD have " orthostatic hypotension. " Their BP goes down very fast and

unexpectedly - the results can look like a mini-stroke or other heart-related

problems, but are not. Others have fluctuating BP, not the same as what we

generally think of as high blood pressure. Generally MDs don't medicate for

this, as it isn't a " true " BP problem.

 

A mix of medications can also cause the fainting/falling/staring syndrome. A

pharmacist or pharmacologist can evaluate the meds to determine if they are

causing problems.

 

Dehydration and infections can also display some of these symptoms.

 

You are so fortunate the AF was caught in time - and how smart of you to keep

copies of medical exams and results! That's a wonderful reminder for all of us.

 

Please stay in touch.

 

Lin

  

Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers

Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:36 PM

" He is asleep right now.

>

> What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead.

>

> Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest.

> Imogene

"

Dear Imogene,

My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving

enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after

several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had

some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The

volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon

patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations --

although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted

$10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all

state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying

to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant.

I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a

difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just

added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of

low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning.

They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him.

I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough

spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love.

Kathy

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Oh, Jannis -

 

Hi, and how I envy your situation. My mom's body no longer responds to

suppositories. Stool doesn't get pushed down far enough for the action of the

supps to work. And in her case, getting impacted - even worse than constipation

- is a real danger. Hope these do the trick for Don, Imogene.

 

Take care, you two -

 

Lin

Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers

Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM

Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of

doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future.

Thanks for the tip,

And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin)

Imogene

In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time,

janthegoddess2003@... writes:

Imogene...

Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective,

and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold

them

more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess

that

the water can.

Jannis

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lin

miralax is now available over teh counter and you can mix it in her ice cream

and food etc and helps keep the bowels moving, i use it also on a regulary

basis.  good luck and hugs, sharon

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Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM

Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of

doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future.

Thanks for the tip,

And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin)

Imogene

In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time,

janthegoddess2003@ yahoo.com writes:

Imogene...

Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective,

and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold

them

more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess

that

the water can.

Jannis

Redefining Normal Every Day

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Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:36 PM

" He is asleep right now.

>

> What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead.

>

> Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest.

> Imogene

"

Dear Imogene,

My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving

enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after

several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had

some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The

volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon

patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations --

although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted

$10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all

state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying

to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant.

I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a

difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just

added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of

low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning.

They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him.

I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough

spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love.

Kathy

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Kathy, how sweet you are. You have endured a lot more than me. My Don is

gentle and lovable. We hug five or six times a day. He loves to feel closeness,

tenderness, and kindness. Boy howdy, I'm game.

We are enduring a great upheaval the last few days. Don is so confused, and

having all kinds of bowel trouble, and wetting the bed at night. The last two

nights have been rough on me. He told me again that he wanted to be where

his daughter can care for him. When I made a few phone calls, and got the ball

rolling he was Sooooo relieved. He hugged me again for the umpteenth time,

and said he was so proud of me because I could handle all these details. You do

what you have to do.

He was relieved that the paper work was falling into place, and I got him a

doctor appointment for this Friday.

Don's Daughter asked the doctor to take her Dad, and the Doctor is doing it

as a favor to her. Other wise he is booked solid for a long time. He said he

will sign the papers for Don to go right into the nursing home and bypass the

hospital visit. Her whole staff is bending over backwards to help us, even

the Medicaid lady. Sharon seems to carry a lot of weight. Well, they all love

her. Love is wonderful, don't you think? She is like her daddy. But then, yes,

Don had some bad times too.

I have 79 letters on here and can't keep up in any way. I just wanted to let

all of the List know that my decision has been over ridden, but if this

makes Don happy, so be it, I'll go along with anything, well to a point, to

make

him happy.

Kathy, keep up your fine caregiving job. You are to be commended beyond

measure. I do have many pretty bad health problems and just can't handle it.

I don't mind caring for him in every way, and would love to help him, but I

have to know my limits. So, this move does hurt. I will stay home and go to

see him once in a while. Right at first I will be there a lot, but not later.

He won't know me anyway.

I can't talk about this anymore,

Love a lot, and when thrown lemons make the best lemonade ever,

Imogene

In a message dated 7/13/2008 10:36:13 AM Central Daylight Time,

kathymjacobs@... writes:

Diagnosis dates:

was diiagnosed with PD in 1991. I don't know his mental state

at the time, but I saw a tape that Spielberg's Shoah (holocaust)

project made about that time, and under the stress of that interview

he seemed disoriented and I'd say he showed some early signs of

dementia.

He also showed signs in 1995 when he retired from his post as

professor of Orthodontics at the university here for the second time.

He couldn't really use complex computer programs any longer and

dental modeling programs were beyond him.

His doctors told me " advanced PD with dementia " in 2001 when he was

hospitalized for a parkinson's honeymoon (weaned off and back onto PD

meds) because his mental state had deteriorated to the point he was

out of control. That helped for awhile.

Last year (Jan 2007)he stopped taking medications when I was

hospitalized with a roken pelvis after an auto accident, and this

time the diagonsis was " Lewy Body Disease " but I didn't know what

that meant until last July. He was doing very badly due to

hallucinations he no longer recognized as unreal, and capgras

involving me and our home. I wrote to his neurologist ahead of our

visit and he explained these were LBD symptoms. I was already on the

yahoo caregivers forum, and that led me to this group. I felt like I

had come home. You especially helped me feel at home.

Hospice:

The founder of 's Home Health Agency providing aides often

works here himself and suggested I ask for hospice. The unexplained

weight loss was a critical factor for him. He sys I shouldn't feel

this means he thinks R is dying, but that people can go on and off

hospice, and that we could use the support at present. Hospice won't

keep a patient on the program if they don't feel they can offer their

particular skill set. I know someone who was on and off the program

here until he died of brain cancer that spanned about 8 years.

I think each communities' program may be different, within general

medicare and medicaid guidelines. I am benefitting from the nursing

oversight. Our HHA founder was once an aide for our local hospice, so

I felt comfortable following his recommendation.

R is still having problems with constipation, and despite eating

hugely doesn't have enough stool output, and continues to lose

weight. He has recurring UTIs and the related constipation. He either

loves or hates his home aides, and recently intimidated one woman to

the point we had to ask for a change. He decided she wanted to rape

or murder him, and he acted out against her with kicks, hits and

spitting. More experienced aides let him know they are not

intimidated and he stops that behavior.

Exelon really helped reduce 's need to escape the house. It's

one thing I'd ask about if it's not already part of Don's treatment.

We are fighting with R about all other medicine, but this is a patch

and he just ignores it.

I hope this information helps, but I know it may not help beyond

resonating in some areas and missing in others. Don sounds sweeter

than , even though it sounds like he also has difficult

moments.

Love,

Kathy

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Imogene,

So you are back to plan one. I can't imagine he will like it without you around

all the time. He won't forget YOU. Couldn't happen.

Hope things go well.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

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Kathy, how sweet you are. You have endured a lot more than me. My Don is

gentle and lovable. We hug five or six times a day. He loves to feel closeness,

tenderness, and kindness. Boy howdy, I'm game.

We are enduring a great upheaval the last few days. Don is so confused, and

having all kinds of bowel trouble, and wetting the bed at night. The last two

nights have been rough on me. He told me again that he wanted to be where

his daughter can care for him. When I made a few phone calls, and got the ball

rolling he was Sooooo relieved. He hugged me again for the umpteenth time,

and said he was so proud of me because I could handle all these details. You do

what you have to do.

He was relieved that the paper work was falling into place, and I got him a

doctor appointment for this Friday.

Don's Daughter asked the doctor to take her Dad, and the Doctor is doing it

as a favor to her. Other wise he is booked solid for a long time. He said he

will sign the papers for Don to go right into the nursing home and bypass the

hospital visit. Her whole staff is bending over backwards to help us, even

the Medicaid lady. Sharon seems to carry a lot of weight. Well, they all love

her. Love is wonderful, don't you think? She is like her daddy. But then, yes,

Don had some bad times too.

I have 79 letters on here and can't keep up in any way. I just wanted to let

all of the List know that my decision has been over ridden, but if this

makes Don happy, so be it, I'll go along with anything, well to a point, to

make

him happy.

Kathy, keep up your fine caregiving job. You are to be commended beyond

measure. I do have many pretty bad health problems and just can't handle it.

I don't mind caring for him in every way, and would love to help him, but I

have to know my limits. So, this move does hurt. I will stay home and go to

see him once in a while. Right at first I will be there a lot, but not later.

He won't know me anyway.

I can't talk about this anymore,

Love a lot, and when thrown lemons make the best lemonade ever,

Imogene

In a message dated 7/13/2008 10:36:13 AM Central Daylight Time,

kathymjacobs@... writes:

Diagnosis dates:

was diiagnosed with PD in 1991. I don't know his mental state

at the time, but I saw a tape that Spielberg's Shoah (holocaust)

project made about that time, and under the stress of that interview

he seemed disoriented and I'd say he showed some early signs of

dementia.

He also showed signs in 1995 when he retired from his post as

professor of Orthodontics at the university here for the second time.

He couldn't really use complex computer programs any longer and

dental modeling programs were beyond him.

His doctors told me " advanced PD with dementia " in 2001 when he was

hospitalized for a parkinson's honeymoon (weaned off and back onto PD

meds) because his mental state had deteriorated to the point he was

out of control. That helped for awhile.

Last year (Jan 2007)he stopped taking medications when I was

hospitalized with a roken pelvis after an auto accident, and this

time the diagonsis was " Lewy Body Disease " but I didn't know what

that meant until last July. He was doing very badly due to

hallucinations he no longer recognized as unreal, and capgras

involving me and our home. I wrote to his neurologist ahead of our

visit and he explained these were LBD symptoms. I was already on the

yahoo caregivers forum, and that led me to this group. I felt like I

had come home. You especially helped me feel at home.

Hospice:

The founder of 's Home Health Agency providing aides often

works here himself and suggested I ask for hospice. The unexplained

weight loss was a critical factor for him. He sys I shouldn't feel

this means he thinks R is dying, but that people can go on and off

hospice, and that we could use the support at present. Hospice won't

keep a patient on the program if they don't feel they can offer their

particular skill set. I know someone who was on and off the program

here until he died of brain cancer that spanned about 8 years.

I think each communities' program may be different, within general

medicare and medicaid guidelines. I am benefitting from the nursing

oversight. Our HHA founder was once an aide for our local hospice, so

I felt comfortable following his recommendation.

R is still having problems with constipation, and despite eating

hugely doesn't have enough stool output, and continues to lose

weight. He has recurring UTIs and the related constipation. He either

loves or hates his home aides, and recently intimidated one woman to

the point we had to ask for a change. He decided she wanted to rape

or murder him, and he acted out against her with kicks, hits and

spitting. More experienced aides let him know they are not

intimidated and he stops that behavior.

Exelon really helped reduce 's need to escape the house. It's

one thing I'd ask about if it's not already part of Don's treatment.

We are fighting with R about all other medicine, but this is a patch

and he just ignores it.

I hope this information helps, but I know it may not help beyond

resonating in some areas and missing in others. Don sounds sweeter

than , even though it sounds like he also has difficult

moments.

Love,

Kathy

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Thanks love, and I cry. Don has Squamous cell carcinomas on his head. Many

of them. They will be removed on the 24th. We will see the Doctor in

Fredericksburg on Friday.

Love a lot,

Imogene

In a message dated 7/15/2008 4:47:10 AM Central Daylight Time,

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Imogene,

So you are back to plan one. I can't imagine he will like it without you

around all the time. He won't forget YOU. Couldn't happen.

Hope things go well.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th

year in a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

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And a big HUG to you too (((((())))))

The help on Monday didn't come because I called it off. After days of Don

wanting to go in Sharon's (his daughter) nursing home. I finally agreed. I

can't handle it anymore, and she will be a wonderful advocate.

Thank you for thinking I have done so much. Not really enough. I wanted to

care for him right to the end, but I do have to use my head, and not just my

heart. He is ready to go.

Even when I started trying to talk him out of it just now, He said " No, Now

is the time as I am having far worse problems than either of us can deal

with. " (That was one of his lucid moments.) I really felt bad about that.

He went on talking about how hard it is, and keeps wondering who that other

woman is, and where did she go? He was kissing me, and said, " Well, she was

sitting in that chair, " and looked over and no one was in the chair. He wanted

to know what was happening to his mind, and started to cry. So did I. It is

sad. Down right heart breaking.

I have a great deal of things to do to get ready for his transition to the

nursing home, so friends I will not be on the mail very much. I will try to

read.

I love you dear, dear , our helper and teacher.

Imogene

In a message dated 7/15/2008 5:19:19 AM Central Daylight Time,

octoryrose@... writes:

{{{{{Imogene}}}}}

What happened to the help on Monday - did it not come? was it not

sufficient? We can only do as much as our bodies are willing to do

w/out jeopardizing our own health. If this is the case and Don has to

go to a NH, you've done way more than others could in the same

situation.

Don won't forget you. LBD is not the same as Alz. There may be

moments where he may forget the 'word' Imogene, but not the

beautiful, caring person in front of him. Maybe the name won't be at

his lips when seeing you, but he'll know that there's a woman who

cares deeply in front of him and he'll welcome every visit he gets

from you. Keep this in mind, Imogene, my mother never lost the

ability to know that I was her daughter... there may have been

moments that the 'daughter' word was lost, but she always knew when

she saw me that I was an important individual in her life - and 90%

of the time she knew I was not only her daughter, but " My

" ... so please don't think that Don is ever going to forget

you.

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Hi Sharon -

Great to hear from you, and I appreciate your sharing this. I have vented here

frequently about my mom's chronic, severe constipation. We recently began giving

magnesium citrate (a liquid, similar action). It's often used by hospice as it

does not produce diarrhea as enemas do. Anyway, it has been working, and I'm

glad the mag ox is helping your mom. A heads up from our Pharm D which I pass

on: as a precaution, ave blood work done monthly or semi-monthly to check mag

levels: too much can throw off the electrolyte balance. Also, there are a few

medications that shouldn't be taken at the same time as mag compounds.

Otherwise, he believes no contraindications.

 

Let's hope our moms remain " relieved. "

 

Lin

Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers

Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:21 AM

Thanks Sharon - going to save this suggestion in the links. :)

>

> We use magnesium oxide fpr constipation- Mother takes 3 of the 400

> tablets (you start at 4 and adjust up or down as needed) I break them

> up in applesauce for her. We've not had a problem in about a year :-)

> Only bad time was when she ate too many sweet cherries in a day.

> At least the magnesium oxide doesn't upset the meds and may be good

> for her. The idea was from one of her doctors

> Sharon T

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Hi, Sharon -

Yes, we went through the Miralax stage. The constipation is too advanced and

chronic for that now. I wrote elsewhere we are now on magnesium citrate daily.

The reminder that Miralax is now OTC is a good one -  thanks!

 

Sure do enjoy following your messages.

 

Lin

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Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday

To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM

Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of

doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future.

Thanks for the tip,

And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin)

Imogene

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janthegoddess2003@ yahoo.com writes:

Imogene...

Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective,

and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold

them

more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess

that

the water can.

Jannis

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