Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future. Thanks for the tip, And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin) Imogene In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time, janthegoddess2003@... writes: Imogene... Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective, and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold them more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess that the water can. Jannis Redefining Normal Every Day **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Dear, dear Kathy, Thank you. I have been sick the past two days after that all day experience. I don't know what kind Of help I'll get, but I am working on it. When was your diagnosed? I know it doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on how far along into the illness he is, as some progress into it faster than others. But, it has some bearing, and I was wondering if he was the same as My Don, if so, what prompted you to get hospice? I know we can have Hospice up to two years prior to our LOs demise, but I don't feel Don is ready for that yet. I don't even feel he is ready for a nursing home yet. (but, I am, smile). No, maybe he is ready for all of it, and I am denying it. Better think about that. Most people don't have a definite time, so their illness is set at the time they were diagnosed. Don wasn't diagnosed until 2005, and the Neurologist said he had AD. But, a few months later Don was diagnosed with LBD by a Geriatric/Psychiatrist. I can look back and tell you the year that my Don showed signs of this illness. It was way back to 1995. He had to quit work because he could no longer work with math, and I had proof of it, because he did a fine job messing up our check book. He had many signs through those years. Lots of them, but I didn't know they were signs of a very, very serious illness. Don hasn't fainted yet, but does get very light headed and woozy. He nearly falls, but hasn't yet. We are trying Miralax (sp) after finally getting relief. I hope it will help him. What do any of you think of this as a way to keep him regular? It is not supposed to interfere with his medication. I don't ever want to go through another scoop the poop day, like that one. I just didn't see it coming, but if and when there is a next time, I will be prepared. I was trying to use the old kind or enema, but no matter what I did, he wouldn't hold a quarter of a cup of liquid. I inserted it high, and held his cheeks together, but he managed to expel it. I would say hold it, hold it, and he couldn't get it in his head. Nope, not another day like that for me. I'll use dynamite, (grin) Think that will work? Don used to worry about our finances, but I let him keep a little money (he can't count) And I tell him that things are being cared for. It has finally taken away the loops he use to put me through. Thank you precious Kathy. But, do tell me when was diagnosed, please. I would like to keep track of our men. You seem to know how to care for in every way. I think you deserve a big gold star. You are a fine mate to him. Love a lot, and laugh if you can, We still do once in a while. Imogene In a message dated 7/12/2008 5:36:36 PM Central Daylight Time, kathymjacobs@... writes: " He is asleep right now. > > What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead. > > Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest. > Imogene " Dear Imogene, My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations -- although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted $10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant. I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning. They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him. I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love. Kathy ------------------------------------ Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi all and welcome, Pat! It's good to have you with us, although we're also sorry when someone has to find us. However, this is a great group of people with much wisdom and compassion. Just a word about other reasons for fainting, falling, getting the " glasy-eye " look: LBD, like PD, affects the nervous systems of the body which can impact even the involuntary bodily functions like respiration, blood pressure, etc. Some with LBD have " orthostatic hypotension. " Their BP goes down very fast and unexpectedly - the results can look like a mini-stroke or other heart-related problems, but are not. Others have fluctuating BP, not the same as what we generally think of as high blood pressure. Generally MDs don't medicate for this, as it isn't a " true " BP problem. A mix of medications can also cause the fainting/falling/staring syndrome. A pharmacist or pharmacologist can evaluate the meds to determine if they are causing problems. Dehydration and infections can also display some of these symptoms. You are so fortunate the AF was caught in time - and how smart of you to keep copies of medical exams and results! That's a wonderful reminder for all of us. Please stay in touch. Lin Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:36 PM " He is asleep right now. > > What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead. > > Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest. > Imogene " Dear Imogene, My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations -- although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted $10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant. I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning. They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him. I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love. Kathy ------------------------------------ Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Oh, Jannis - Hi, and how I envy your situation. My mom's body no longer responds to suppositories. Stool doesn't get pushed down far enough for the action of the supps to work. And in her case, getting impacted - even worse than constipation - is a real danger. Hope these do the trick for Don, Imogene. Take care, you two - Lin Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future. Thanks for the tip, And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin) Imogene In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time, janthegoddess2003@... writes: Imogene... Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective, and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold them more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess that the water can. Jannis Redefining Normal Every Day **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 lin miralax is now available over teh counter and you can mix it in her ice cream and food etc and helps keep the bowels moving, i use it also on a regulary basis. good luck and hugs, sharon From: Iward27663aol (DOT) com <Iward27663aol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future. Thanks for the tip, And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin) Imogene In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time, janthegoddess2003@ yahoo.com writes: Imogene... Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective, and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold them more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess that the water can. Jannis Redefining Normal Every Day ************ **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker. com! (http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 From: p108nky <kathymjacobs@ earthlink. net> Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:36 PM " He is asleep right now. > > What a life if you don't weaken. Smile instead. > > Love a lot, do what you can and leave the rest. > Imogene " Dear Imogene, My and your Don have so much in common. I've been giving enemas too. has been constipated for over 4 weeks, and after several fleet enemas, mag cit, stool softeners daily we finally had some results yesterday with an old fashioned warm water enema. The volume made a difference. My guy also has Capgras, but the Exelon patch has really reduced his Capgras delusions and hallucinations -- although he has a delusion that our tax man has somehow intercepted $10,000, or $100,000 (depending upon the day). Wh have received all state and federal refunds, and stimulus monies, so I've been trying to make excuses to keep him from confronting our accountant. I have also enlisted some good home health aides. This makes a difference for me, I hope it does for you too. We have also just added hospice, and this provides nurses to come if he has a spell of low blood pressure & faints, like he did 3 times Thursday morning. They keep the doctor involved and I don't have to keep calling him. I hope things keep working out for you, even if you have a few rough spells along the way.Don is so lucky to have you and your love. Kathy ------------ --------- --------- ------ Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Kathy, how sweet you are. You have endured a lot more than me. My Don is gentle and lovable. We hug five or six times a day. He loves to feel closeness, tenderness, and kindness. Boy howdy, I'm game. We are enduring a great upheaval the last few days. Don is so confused, and having all kinds of bowel trouble, and wetting the bed at night. The last two nights have been rough on me. He told me again that he wanted to be where his daughter can care for him. When I made a few phone calls, and got the ball rolling he was Sooooo relieved. He hugged me again for the umpteenth time, and said he was so proud of me because I could handle all these details. You do what you have to do. He was relieved that the paper work was falling into place, and I got him a doctor appointment for this Friday. Don's Daughter asked the doctor to take her Dad, and the Doctor is doing it as a favor to her. Other wise he is booked solid for a long time. He said he will sign the papers for Don to go right into the nursing home and bypass the hospital visit. Her whole staff is bending over backwards to help us, even the Medicaid lady. Sharon seems to carry a lot of weight. Well, they all love her. Love is wonderful, don't you think? She is like her daddy. But then, yes, Don had some bad times too. I have 79 letters on here and can't keep up in any way. I just wanted to let all of the List know that my decision has been over ridden, but if this makes Don happy, so be it, I'll go along with anything, well to a point, to make him happy. Kathy, keep up your fine caregiving job. You are to be commended beyond measure. I do have many pretty bad health problems and just can't handle it. I don't mind caring for him in every way, and would love to help him, but I have to know my limits. So, this move does hurt. I will stay home and go to see him once in a while. Right at first I will be there a lot, but not later. He won't know me anyway. I can't talk about this anymore, Love a lot, and when thrown lemons make the best lemonade ever, Imogene In a message dated 7/13/2008 10:36:13 AM Central Daylight Time, kathymjacobs@... writes: Diagnosis dates: was diiagnosed with PD in 1991. I don't know his mental state at the time, but I saw a tape that Spielberg's Shoah (holocaust) project made about that time, and under the stress of that interview he seemed disoriented and I'd say he showed some early signs of dementia. He also showed signs in 1995 when he retired from his post as professor of Orthodontics at the university here for the second time. He couldn't really use complex computer programs any longer and dental modeling programs were beyond him. His doctors told me " advanced PD with dementia " in 2001 when he was hospitalized for a parkinson's honeymoon (weaned off and back onto PD meds) because his mental state had deteriorated to the point he was out of control. That helped for awhile. Last year (Jan 2007)he stopped taking medications when I was hospitalized with a roken pelvis after an auto accident, and this time the diagonsis was " Lewy Body Disease " but I didn't know what that meant until last July. He was doing very badly due to hallucinations he no longer recognized as unreal, and capgras involving me and our home. I wrote to his neurologist ahead of our visit and he explained these were LBD symptoms. I was already on the yahoo caregivers forum, and that led me to this group. I felt like I had come home. You especially helped me feel at home. Hospice: The founder of 's Home Health Agency providing aides often works here himself and suggested I ask for hospice. The unexplained weight loss was a critical factor for him. He sys I shouldn't feel this means he thinks R is dying, but that people can go on and off hospice, and that we could use the support at present. Hospice won't keep a patient on the program if they don't feel they can offer their particular skill set. I know someone who was on and off the program here until he died of brain cancer that spanned about 8 years. I think each communities' program may be different, within general medicare and medicaid guidelines. I am benefitting from the nursing oversight. Our HHA founder was once an aide for our local hospice, so I felt comfortable following his recommendation. R is still having problems with constipation, and despite eating hugely doesn't have enough stool output, and continues to lose weight. He has recurring UTIs and the related constipation. He either loves or hates his home aides, and recently intimidated one woman to the point we had to ask for a change. He decided she wanted to rape or murder him, and he acted out against her with kicks, hits and spitting. More experienced aides let him know they are not intimidated and he stops that behavior. Exelon really helped reduce 's need to escape the house. It's one thing I'd ask about if it's not already part of Don's treatment. We are fighting with R about all other medicine, but this is a patch and he just ignores it. I hope this information helps, but I know it may not help beyond resonating in some areas and missing in others. Don sounds sweeter than , even though it sounds like he also has difficult moments. Love, Kathy **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Imogene, So you are back to plan one. I can't imagine he will like it without you around all the time. He won't forget YOU. Couldn't happen. Hope things go well. Hugs, Donna R Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. Re: Re: Help is coming Monday Kathy, how sweet you are. You have endured a lot more than me. My Don is gentle and lovable. We hug five or six times a day. He loves to feel closeness, tenderness, and kindness. Boy howdy, I'm game. We are enduring a great upheaval the last few days. Don is so confused, and having all kinds of bowel trouble, and wetting the bed at night. The last two nights have been rough on me. He told me again that he wanted to be where his daughter can care for him. When I made a few phone calls, and got the ball rolling he was Sooooo relieved. He hugged me again for the umpteenth time, and said he was so proud of me because I could handle all these details. You do what you have to do. He was relieved that the paper work was falling into place, and I got him a doctor appointment for this Friday. Don's Daughter asked the doctor to take her Dad, and the Doctor is doing it as a favor to her. Other wise he is booked solid for a long time. He said he will sign the papers for Don to go right into the nursing home and bypass the hospital visit. Her whole staff is bending over backwards to help us, even the Medicaid lady. Sharon seems to carry a lot of weight. Well, they all love her. Love is wonderful, don't you think? She is like her daddy. But then, yes, Don had some bad times too. I have 79 letters on here and can't keep up in any way. I just wanted to let all of the List know that my decision has been over ridden, but if this makes Don happy, so be it, I'll go along with anything, well to a point, to make him happy. Kathy, keep up your fine caregiving job. You are to be commended beyond measure. I do have many pretty bad health problems and just can't handle it. I don't mind caring for him in every way, and would love to help him, but I have to know my limits. So, this move does hurt. I will stay home and go to see him once in a while. Right at first I will be there a lot, but not later. He won't know me anyway. I can't talk about this anymore, Love a lot, and when thrown lemons make the best lemonade ever, Imogene In a message dated 7/13/2008 10:36:13 AM Central Daylight Time, kathymjacobs@... writes: Diagnosis dates: was diiagnosed with PD in 1991. I don't know his mental state at the time, but I saw a tape that Spielberg's Shoah (holocaust) project made about that time, and under the stress of that interview he seemed disoriented and I'd say he showed some early signs of dementia. He also showed signs in 1995 when he retired from his post as professor of Orthodontics at the university here for the second time. He couldn't really use complex computer programs any longer and dental modeling programs were beyond him. His doctors told me " advanced PD with dementia " in 2001 when he was hospitalized for a parkinson's honeymoon (weaned off and back onto PD meds) because his mental state had deteriorated to the point he was out of control. That helped for awhile. Last year (Jan 2007)he stopped taking medications when I was hospitalized with a roken pelvis after an auto accident, and this time the diagonsis was " Lewy Body Disease " but I didn't know what that meant until last July. He was doing very badly due to hallucinations he no longer recognized as unreal, and capgras involving me and our home. I wrote to his neurologist ahead of our visit and he explained these were LBD symptoms. I was already on the yahoo caregivers forum, and that led me to this group. I felt like I had come home. You especially helped me feel at home. Hospice: The founder of 's Home Health Agency providing aides often works here himself and suggested I ask for hospice. The unexplained weight loss was a critical factor for him. He sys I shouldn't feel this means he thinks R is dying, but that people can go on and off hospice, and that we could use the support at present. Hospice won't keep a patient on the program if they don't feel they can offer their particular skill set. I know someone who was on and off the program here until he died of brain cancer that spanned about 8 years. I think each communities' program may be different, within general medicare and medicaid guidelines. I am benefitting from the nursing oversight. Our HHA founder was once an aide for our local hospice, so I felt comfortable following his recommendation. R is still having problems with constipation, and despite eating hugely doesn't have enough stool output, and continues to lose weight. He has recurring UTIs and the related constipation. He either loves or hates his home aides, and recently intimidated one woman to the point we had to ask for a change. He decided she wanted to rape or murder him, and he acted out against her with kicks, hits and spitting. More experienced aides let him know they are not intimidated and he stops that behavior. Exelon really helped reduce 's need to escape the house. It's one thing I'd ask about if it's not already part of Don's treatment. We are fighting with R about all other medicine, but this is a patch and he just ignores it. I hope this information helps, but I know it may not help beyond resonating in some areas and missing in others. Don sounds sweeter than , even though it sounds like he also has difficult moments. Love, Kathy **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thanks love, and I cry. Don has Squamous cell carcinomas on his head. Many of them. They will be removed on the 24th. We will see the Doctor in Fredericksburg on Friday. Love a lot, Imogene In a message dated 7/15/2008 4:47:10 AM Central Daylight Time, twomido@... writes: Imogene, So you are back to plan one. I can't imagine he will like it without you around all the time. He won't forget YOU. Couldn't happen. Hope things go well. Hugs, Donna R Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 And a big HUG to you too (((((()))))) The help on Monday didn't come because I called it off. After days of Don wanting to go in Sharon's (his daughter) nursing home. I finally agreed. I can't handle it anymore, and she will be a wonderful advocate. Thank you for thinking I have done so much. Not really enough. I wanted to care for him right to the end, but I do have to use my head, and not just my heart. He is ready to go. Even when I started trying to talk him out of it just now, He said " No, Now is the time as I am having far worse problems than either of us can deal with. " (That was one of his lucid moments.) I really felt bad about that. He went on talking about how hard it is, and keeps wondering who that other woman is, and where did she go? He was kissing me, and said, " Well, she was sitting in that chair, " and looked over and no one was in the chair. He wanted to know what was happening to his mind, and started to cry. So did I. It is sad. Down right heart breaking. I have a great deal of things to do to get ready for his transition to the nursing home, so friends I will not be on the mail very much. I will try to read. I love you dear, dear , our helper and teacher. Imogene In a message dated 7/15/2008 5:19:19 AM Central Daylight Time, octoryrose@... writes: {{{{{Imogene}}}}} What happened to the help on Monday - did it not come? was it not sufficient? We can only do as much as our bodies are willing to do w/out jeopardizing our own health. If this is the case and Don has to go to a NH, you've done way more than others could in the same situation. Don won't forget you. LBD is not the same as Alz. There may be moments where he may forget the 'word' Imogene, but not the beautiful, caring person in front of him. Maybe the name won't be at his lips when seeing you, but he'll know that there's a woman who cares deeply in front of him and he'll welcome every visit he gets from you. Keep this in mind, Imogene, my mother never lost the ability to know that I was her daughter... there may have been moments that the 'daughter' word was lost, but she always knew when she saw me that I was an important individual in her life - and 90% of the time she knew I was not only her daughter, but " My " ... so please don't think that Don is ever going to forget you. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Hi Sharon - Great to hear from you, and I appreciate your sharing this. I have vented here frequently about my mom's chronic, severe constipation. We recently began giving magnesium citrate (a liquid, similar action). It's often used by hospice as it does not produce diarrhea as enemas do. Anyway, it has been working, and I'm glad the mag ox is helping your mom. A heads up from our Pharm D which I pass on: as a precaution, ave blood work done monthly or semi-monthly to check mag levels: too much can throw off the electrolyte balance. Also, there are a few medications that shouldn't be taken at the same time as mag compounds. Otherwise, he believes no contraindications. Let's hope our moms remain " relieved. " Lin Subject: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:21 AM Thanks Sharon - going to save this suggestion in the links. > > We use magnesium oxide fpr constipation- Mother takes 3 of the 400 > tablets (you start at 4 and adjust up or down as needed) I break them > up in applesauce for her. We've not had a problem in about a year :-) > Only bad time was when she ate too many sweet cherries in a day. > At least the magnesium oxide doesn't upset the meds and may be good > for her. The idea was from one of her doctors > Sharon T > ------------------------------------ Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Hi, Sharon - Yes, we went through the Miralax stage. The constipation is too advanced and chronic for that now. I wrote elsewhere we are now on magnesium citrate daily. The reminder that Miralax is now OTC is a good one - thanks! Sure do enjoy following your messages. Lin From: Iward27663aol (DOT) com <Iward27663aol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: Help is coming Monday To: LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:35 PM Darling Jannis, yes, I thought of a suppository when I was in the throws of doing an enema, but alas I had none on hand. They will be in the future. Thanks for the tip, And, love a lot, with suppository in hand. (grin) Imogene In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:06:20 AM Central Daylight Time, janthegoddess2003@ yahoo.com writes: Imogene... Have you thought about a glycerin suppository instead? They're effective, and much less invasive than an enema. It seems that our LO's can hold them more effectively than a bagful of water, and it doesn't produce the mess that the water can. Jannis Redefining Normal Every Day ************ **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker. com! (http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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