My story

February 28, 2011

The thing about the penis is when hormones are out of balance your penis will

look smaller in the soft and hard state. When you get balanced again it goes

back to normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: my story

>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 3:02 AM

> Welcome m, and glad you are

> alive! Lets stay this way as you improve your health while

> helping others improve theirs.

>

> Why the penis reduction the main reason you wanted to kill

> yourself?

>

> my story

>

> I am 36 now...but this all started when I was 17 or 18....I

> went through puberty great, awesome sex drive...but I

> repressed it for religious reasons....I now don't agree with

> those religions. well, life sucks...lol...but then since I

> was so skinny 6/2 140 lbs born with a sunken chest or pectus

> excavatum as the medical community calls it and it is right

> where the belly meets the chest...so makes my belly look

> bigger and chest smaller, with all that I decided to try

> steroids anabolic at age of 17 and then after a few months

> gained 40 lbs and decided I hated it and stopped cold on the

> steroids at age of 18...this didn't give time for my body to

> recover and my penis shrunk in size from 7.5 to 5.5 erect.

> since then I have been told that doesn't happen...and been

> given trt...well the story is more complicated. my primary

> care when I first saw him told me to do nothing and

> nothing...well four years went by and I did nothing and my

> levels are also borderline low when I do nothing...t is

> about 250...ft is low...lh from 2 to 4 and fsh from 2 to

> 4....so then I finally had enough and attempted

> suicide....this was a cry for help...and I begged the

> therapist that this was why i did it....he didn't

> listen....I begged more and more.....finally I had a gnrh

> stimulation test done.....it worked I was like can I get

> that treatment premanantly....even though it raised my t

> slightly it felt great....

>

> I was given a gnrh stimulation test...my lh and fsh

> tripled but my t hardly move...doctor said it must be

> psychological...as the system always restarts and since t

> hardly moved..I will show result below. my question since it

> has been 4 years since my steroid stoppage, wouldn't my t

> level be low because of how insensitive the leydig cells

> became.

>

> time in am LH fsh test

>

> before test (720) 3.6 3.7 283

> test (735) 13.23 5.9 na

> test (750) 15.54 6.7 na

> test (820) 13.80 6.69 na

> last gnrh pul. (850) 11.01 6.46 334

>

> so it went from 283 to 334 in 90 minutes...isn't that how

> pulsate works...slow and satued

>

> results of my gnrh testt................

>

> so what did endo say to me.....one guess....it must be

> psychological? first cause I was in a mental ward....2nd

> cause my t only raised a bit.....hello my leydigs were

> desensitized....3rd I am sure doctors say crazy when I say

> penis shrunk.......but it did....anyways, so I was still

> waiting for system to restart after 4 years....missed out on

> some good years.....next comes along I decide tto get t

> shots....they wake me up some and help me...of course it is

> given incorrectly in high doses.....and no antie...but they

> do work for sex and sex drive....just bad for mood swings

> and thick blood...polycythemia..

>

> end of part 1

>

February 28, 2011

Men doing Steroids for bodybuilding or sports if not done the right way cycling

on and off them they end up shutting down there hpta -

hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis. So there brain dose not tell there

testis to make T. So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start them

again they don't need TRT.

To tell someone that did this to them self's is psychological is criminal Dr.'s

take an Hippocratic Oath to treat people not tell them they are nuts.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: my story

>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause low T and othr

> health problems? Some Jocks due to damage caused by steriods

> must make TRT because became hypoganism. Maybe his doc was

> pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I agree it should be

> criminal receiving horrible medical advice. Recently, a

> cardiologist told me my worries are " in my mind " and to look

> into seeing a psychologist.

>

> Re: Re: my story

>

> I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the firs 5 yrs I was

> sick because they could not figure out why I was so sick

> from Fatigue they told me I suffer from Major Depression my

> story is long but you need to read it.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

>

> If I were you I would try to see if you can work this Dr.

> O and Hardasnails if you can get your T levels jump started

> again they can do it if not they can treat you so you feel

> like a man again.

>

> Overbeck hardasnails1973@...

> 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken Internal

> medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic

> disorders 610-828-2026

> Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

>

> Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work with Dr.

> over the phone to test and treat you he is one of the best

> for jump starting men so they don't need TRT.

> www.allthingsmale.com

> or his forum at

> http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

>

> I think it is criminal to tell a men his T levels are low

> due to being psychological WTF is with some Dr.'s there is

> no such thing as low T levels due to a psychological

> problem.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

February 28, 2011

I dnt know like , going from 7.7 to 5.5. All I know from being primary

since very young, is coming from 5.5 and working my way upward! At least this

news can give some hope if his damage from steriods isn't permanent.

my story

>

> I am 36 now...but this all started when I was 17 or 18....I

> went through puberty great, awesome sex drive...but I

> repressed it for religious reasons....I now don'

[The entire original message is not included]

February 28, 2011

Interesting statement:

So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start them

again they don't need TRT.

I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How is it possible to jump

start your t? I would like to try that before I embark on a life long journey

of applying andro gel daily.

>

> > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> >

> > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause low T and othr

> > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage caused by steriods

> > must make TRT because became hypoganism. Maybe his doc was

> > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I agree it should be

> > criminal receiving horrible medical advice. Recently, a

> > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my mind " and to look

> > into seeing a psychologist.

> >

> > Re: Re: my story

> >

> > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the firs 5 yrs I was

> > sick because they could not figure out why I was so sick

> > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from Major Depression my

> > story is long but you need to read it.

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> >

> > If I were you I would try to see if you can work this Dr.

> > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T levels jump started

> > again they can do it if not they can treat you so you feel

> > like a man again.

> >

> > Overbeck hardasnails1973@...

> > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken Internal

> > medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic

> > disorders 610-828-2026

> > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> >

> > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work with Dr.

> > over the phone to test and treat you he is one of the best

> > for jump starting men so they don't need TRT.

> > www.allthingsmale.com

> > or his forum at

> > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> >

> > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T levels are low

> > due to being psychological WTF is with some Dr.'s there is

> > no such thing as low T levels due to a psychological

> > problem.

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

February 28, 2011

It only works if one was doing Steroid Drugs for bodybuilding or sports. If

your low on T because your Secondary or Primary jump starts don't work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:11 PM

>

> Interesting statement:

>

> So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start

> them

> again they don't need TRT.

>

> I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How

> is it possible to jump start your t? I would like to

> try that before I embark on a life long journey of applying

> andro gel daily.

>

> >

> > > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause low

> T and othr

> > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage caused

> by steriods

> > > must make TRT because became hypoganism. Maybe

> his doc was

> > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I agree it

> should be

> > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice.

> Recently, a

> > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my mind "

> and to look

> > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > >

> > > Re: Re: my story

> > >

> > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the firs 5

> yrs I was

> > > sick because they could not figure out why I was

> so sick

> > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from Major

> Depression my

> > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > >

> > > If I were you I would try to see if you can

> work this Dr.

> > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T levels

> jump started

> > > again they can do it if not they can treat you so

> you feel

> > > like a man again.

> > >

> > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@...

> > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken

> Internal

> > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

> metabolic

> > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > >

> > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work

> with Dr.

> > > over the phone to test and treat you he is one of

> the best

> > > for jump starting men so they don't need TRT.

> > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > or his forum at

> > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > >

> > > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T

> levels are low

> > > due to being psychological WTF is with some Dr.'s

> there is

> > > no such thing as low T levels due to a

> psychological

> > > problem.

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 28, 2011

In regards to fatigue, what is your hemoglobin count? Mine has been as low as

8.5, while normal is 15 or so. Last month it was 10.5, which qualifies me for

Aranesp, similar to Procrit, for rebuilding red blood cells. When mine gets low,

I fatigue easily, and I very low energy levels.

Just a thought

February 28, 2011

When you are low on Testosterone for quite a while, and when you do not get

nighttime and morning wood for quite a while, you can get plaque buildup in

the penis. The nighttime erections seem to help to " clean " out the penis

and keep it healthy.

The plaque buildup prevents the penis from stretching as far when it is

erect. Think of Peyronie's Disease without the curvature. Instead of

plaque buildup just happening on one side of the penis (like with Peyronie's

Disease), it happens on every side of the penis.

According to my doctor, this plaque buildup can cause a noticeable decrease

in the size of an erect penis in some men.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: my story

The thing about the penis is when hormones are out of balance your penis

will look smaller in the soft and hard state. When you get balanced again it

goes back to normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <mailto:uu1845%40> <uu1845@...

<mailto:uu1845%40> >

> Subject: RE: my story

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 3:02 AM

> Welcome m, and glad you are

> alive! Lets stay this way as you improve your health while

> helping others improve theirs.

>

> Why the penis reduction the main reason you wanted to kill

> yourself?

>

> my story

>

> I am 36 now...but this all started when I was 17 or 18....I

> went through puberty great, awesome sex drive...but I

> repressed it for religious reasons....I now don't agree with

> those religions. well, life sucks...lol...but then since I

> was so skinny 6/2 140 lbs born with a sunken chest or pectus

> excavatum as the medical community calls it and it is right

> where the belly meets the chest...so makes my belly look

> bigger and chest smaller, with all that I decided to try

> steroids anabolic at age of 17 and then after a few months

> gained 40 lbs and decided I hated it and stopped cold on the

> steroids at age of 18...this didn't give time for my body to

> recover and my penis shrunk in size from 7.5 to 5.5 erect.

> since then I have been told that doesn't happen...and been

> given trt...well the story is more complicated. my primary

> care when I first saw him told me to do nothing and

> nothing...well four years went by and I did nothing and my

> levels are also borderline low when I do nothing...t is

> about 250...ft is low...lh from 2 to 4 and fsh from 2 to

> 4....so then I finally had enough and attempted

> suicide....this was a cry for help...and I begged the

> therapist that this was why i did it....he didn't

> listen....I begged more and more.....finally I had a gnrh

> stimulation test done.....it worked I was like can I get

> that treatment premanantly....even though it raised my t

> slightly it felt great....

>

> I was given a gnrh stimulation test...my lh and fsh

> tripled but my t hardly move...doctor said it must be

> psychological...as the system always restarts and since t

> hardly moved..I will show result below. my question since it

> has been 4 years since my steroid stoppage, wouldn't my t

> level be low because of how insensitive the leydig cells

> became.

>

> time in am LH fsh test

>

> before test (720) 3.6 3.7 283

> test (735) 13.23 5.9 na

> test (750) 15.54 6.7 na

> test (820) 13.80 6.69 na

> last gnrh pul. (850) 11.01 6.46 334

>

> so it went from 283 to 334 in 90 minutes...isn't that how

> pulsate works...slow and satued

>

> results of my gnrh testt................

>

> so what did endo say to me.....one guess....it must be

> psychological? first cause I was in a mental ward....2nd

> cause my t only raised a bit.....hello my leydigs were

> desensitized....3rd I am sure doctors say crazy when I say

> penis shrunk.......but it did....anyways, so I was still

> waiting for system to restart after 4 years....missed out on

> some good years.....next comes along I decide tto get t

> shots....they wake me up some and help me...of course it is

> given incorrectly in high doses.....and no antie...but they

> do work for sex and sex drive....just bad for mood swings

> and thick blood...polycythemia..

>

> end of part 1

>

March 1, 2011

How do your Ferritin and Iron levels look when I was low my Ferritin was below

normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: A lan <mills47460@...>

> Subject: Re: My Story

>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 9:45 PM

> In regards to fatigue, what is your

> hemoglobin count? Mine has been as low as 8.5, while normal

> is 15 or so. Last month it was 10.5, which qualifies me for

> Aranesp, similar to Procrit, for rebuilding red blood cells.

> When mine gets low, I fatigue easily, and I very low

> energy levels.

>

> Just a thought

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 1, 2011

Very true I lose night time wood for over 20 yrs when I got my E2 levels down

they came back over a short time my penis went back up to it's normal size. And

was hanging longer in the soft state.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: uu1845@...

> <mailto:uu1845%40> <uu1845@...

> <mailto:uu1845%40> >

> > Subject: RE: my story

> >

> <mailto: %40>

>

> > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 3:02 AM

> > Welcome m, and glad you are

> > alive! Lets stay this way as you improve your health

> while

> > helping others improve theirs.

> >

> > Why the penis reduction the main reason you wanted to

> kill

> > yourself?

> >

> > my story

> >

> > I am 36 now...but this all started when I was 17 or

> 18....I

> > went through puberty great, awesome sex drive...but I

> > repressed it for religious reasons....I now don't

> agree with

> > those religions. well, life sucks...lol...but then

> since I

> > was so skinny 6/2 140 lbs born with a sunken chest or

> pectus

> > excavatum as the medical community calls it and it is

> right

> > where the belly meets the chest...so makes my belly

> look

> > bigger and chest smaller, with all that I decided to

> try

> > steroids anabolic at age of 17 and then after a few

> months

> > gained 40 lbs and decided I hated it and stopped cold

> on the

> > steroids at age of 18...this didn't give time for my

> body to

> > recover and my penis shrunk in size from 7.5 to 5.5

> erect.

> > since then I have been told that doesn't happen...and

> been

> > given trt...well the story is more complicated. my

> primary

> > care when I first saw him told me to do nothing and

> > nothing...well four years went by and I did nothing

> and my

> > levels are also borderline low when I do nothing...t

> is

> > about 250...ft is low...lh from 2 to 4 and fsh from 2

> to

> > 4....so then I finally had enough and attempted

> > suicide....this was a cry for help...and I begged the

> > therapist that this was why i did it....he didn't

> > listen....I begged more and more.....finally I had a

> gnrh

> > stimulation test done.....it worked I was like can I

> get

> > that treatment premanantly....even though it raised my

> t

> > slightly it felt great....

> >

> > I was given a gnrh stimulation test...my lh and fsh

> > tripled but my t hardly move...doctor said it must be

> > psychological...as the system always restarts and

> since t

> > hardly moved..I will show result below. my question

> since it

> > has been 4 years since my steroid stoppage, wouldn't

> my t

> > level be low because of how insensitive the leydig

> cells

> > became.

> >

> > time in am LH fsh test

> >

> > before test (720) 3.6 3.7 283

> > test (735) 13.23 5.9 na

> > test (750) 15.54 6.7 na

> > test (820) 13.80 6.69 na

> > last gnrh pul. (850) 11.01 6.46 334

> >

> > so it went from 283 to 334 in 90 minutes...isn't that

> how

> > pulsate works...slow and satued

> >

> > results of my gnrh testt................

> >

> > so what did endo say to me.....one guess....it must

> be

> > psychological? first cause I was in a mental

> ward....2nd

> > cause my t only raised a bit.....hello my leydigs

> were

> > desensitized....3rd I am sure doctors say crazy when I

> say

> > penis shrunk.......but it did....anyways, so I was

> still

> > waiting for system to restart after 4 years....missed

> out on

> > some good years.....next comes along I decide tto get

> t

> > shots....they wake me up some and help me...of course

> it is

> > given incorrectly in high doses.....and no antie...but

> they

> > do work for sex and sex drive....just bad for mood

> swings

> > and thick blood...polycythemia..

> >

> > end of part 1

> >

March 1, 2011

Interesting statement:

So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start them

again they don't need TRT.

I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How is it possible to jump

start your t? I would like to try that before I embark on a life long journey

of applying andro gel daily.

> >

> > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause low T and othr

> > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage caused by steriods

> > > must make TRT because became hypoganism. Maybe his doc was

> > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I agree it should be

> > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice. Recently, a

> > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my mind " and to look

> > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > >

> > > Re: Re: my story

> > >

> > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the firs 5 yrs I was

> > > sick because they could not figure out why I was so sick

> > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from Major Depression my

> > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > >

> > > If I were you I would try to see if you can work this Dr.

> > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T levels jump started

> > > again they can do it if not they can treat you so you feel

> > > like a man again.

> > >

> > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken Internal

> > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic

> > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > >

> > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work with Dr.

> > > over the phone to test and treat you he is one of the best

> > > for jump starting men so they don't need TRT.

> > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > or his forum at

> > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > >

> > > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T levels are low

> > > due to being psychological WTF is with some Dr.'s there is

> > > no such thing as low T levels due to a psychological

> > > problem.

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

March 2, 2011

the cause has to be gnrh in order to restart it...

From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

Subject: Re: my story

Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 6:33 PM

Â

Interesting statement:

So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start them

again they don't need TRT.

I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How is it possible to jump

start your t? I would like to try that before I embark on a life long journey

of applying andro gel daily.

> >

> > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause low T and othr

> > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage caused by steriods

> > > must make TRT because became hypoganism. Maybe his doc was

> > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I agree it should be

> > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice. Recently, a

> > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my mind " and to look

> > > into seeing a psychologist.Â

> > >

> > > Re: Re: my story

> > >

> > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the firs 5 yrs I was

> > > sick because they could not figure out why I was so sick

> > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from Major Depression my

> > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > >

> > > If I were you I would try to see if you can work this Dr.

> > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T levels jump started

> > > again they can do it if not they can treat you so you feel

> > > like a man again.

> > >

> > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st Conshohocken Internal

> > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic

> > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > >

> > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work with Dr.

> > > over the phone to test and treat you he is one of the best

> > > for jump starting men so they don't need TRT.

> > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > or his forum at

> > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > >

> > > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T levels are low

> > > due to being psychological WTF is with some Dr.'s there is

> > > no such thing as low T levels due to a psychological

> > > problem.

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

March 2, 2011

Jim,

Men that have low T due to a health problem like an infection, high Iron, poor

diet, over doing it in the gym, eating to much SOY and doing Steroides can shut

down the HPTA - hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (also HPG axis). Some men

when they fix this problem or stop the Steroids don't start back up again. They

see a Dr. he runs tests sees the low T levels and puts them on TRT not thinking

this is for life.

One must try a jump start if they are low due to the above. Unless they are

Secondary or Primary Hypogonadism.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 6:33 PM

>

> Interesting statement:

>

> So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start

> them

> again they don't need TRT.

>

> I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How is it

> possible to jump

> start your t? I would like to try that before I embark on a

> life long journey

> of applying andro gel daily.

>

> > >

> > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause

> low T and othr

> > > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage

> caused by steriods

> > > > must make TRT because became hypoganism.

> Maybe his doc was

> > > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I

> agree it should be

> > > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice.

> Recently, a

> > > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my

> mind " and to look

> > > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > > >

> > > > Re: Re: my story

> > > >

> > > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the

> firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > sick because they could not figure out why I

> was so sick

> > > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from

> Major Depression my

> > > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > >

> > > > If I were you I would try to see if

> you can work this Dr.

> > > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T

> levels jump started

> > > > again they can do it if not they can treat

> you so you feel

> > > > like a man again.

> > > >

> > > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st

> Conshohocken Internal

> > > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders

> and metabolic

> > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > > >

> > > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will

> work with Dr.

> > > > over the phone to test and treat you he is

> one of the best

> > > > for jump starting men so they don't need

> TRT.

> > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > or his forum at

> > > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > >

> > > > I think it is criminal to tell a men

> his T levels are low

> > > > due to being psychological WTF is with some

> Dr.'s there is

> > > > no such thing as low T levels due to a

> psychological

> > > > problem.

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not

> included]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 2, 2011

That is a very brad statement.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> From: jjmill0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 6:33 PM

>

> Interesting statement:

>

> So if they see a good Dr. that knows how to jump start

> them

> again they don't need TRT.

>

> I always thought if you had low t, you had low t. How is it

> possible to jump

> start your t? I would like to try that before I embark on a

> life long journey

> of applying andro gel daily.

>

> > >

> > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause

> low T and othr

> > > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage

> caused by steriods

> > > > must make TRT because became hypoganism.

> Maybe his doc was

> > > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I

> agree it should be

> > > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice.

> Recently, a

> > > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my

> mind " and to look

> > > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > > >

> > > > Re: Re: my story

> > > >

> > > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the

> firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > sick because they could not figure out why I

> was so sick

> > > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from

> Major Depression my

> > > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > >

> > > > If I were you I would try to see if you can

> work this Dr.

> > > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T

> levels jump started

> > > > again they can do it if not they can treat

> you so you feel

> > > > like a man again.

> > > >

> > > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st

> Conshohocken Internal

> > > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders

> and metabolic

> > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > > >

> > > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work

> with Dr.

> > > > over the phone to test and treat you he is

> one of the best

> > > > for jump starting men so they don't need

> TRT.

> > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > or his forum at

> > > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > >

> > > > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T

> levels are low

> > > > due to being psychological WTF is with some

> Dr.'s there is

> > > > no such thing as low T levels due to a

> psychological

> > > > problem.

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not

> included]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 2, 2011

true it is I stand corrected...guess I am personalizing....but if it is failing

testes...you can't fix that...if it is a pituitary tumor then maybe pituitary

tumor removal can fix it....if it is some other cause then..who knows

> > > >

> > > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > > Subject: RE: Re: my story

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:06 PM

> > > > > Phil didn't he mention his low T was

> > > > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which can cause

> > low T and othr

> > > > > health problems? Some Jocks due to damage

> > caused by steriods

> > > > > must make TRT because became hypoganism.

> > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > pulling from his past drug abuse. Yes, I

> > agree it should be

> > > > > criminal receiving horrible medical advice.

> > Recently, a

> > > > > cardiologist told me my worries are " in my

> > mind " and to look

> > > > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: my story

> > > > >

> > > > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like you the

> > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > sick because they could not figure out why I

> > was so sick

> > > > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer from

> > Major Depression my

> > > > > story is long but you need to read it.

> > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > >

> > > > > If I were you I would try to see if you can

> > work this Dr.

> > > > > O and Hardasnails if you can get your T

> > levels jump started

> > > > > again they can do it if not they can treat

> > you so you feel

> > > > > like a man again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st

> > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > medicine Male and female hormone disorders

> > and metabolic

> > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that will work

> > with Dr.

> > > > > over the phone to test and treat you he is

> > one of the best

> > > > > for jump starting men so they don't need

> > TRT.

> > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it is criminal to tell a men his T

> > levels are low

> > > > > due to being psychological WTF is with some

> > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > no such thing as low T levels due to a

> > psychological

> > > > > problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > > > >

> > > > > [The entire original message is not

> > included]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

March 2, 2011

No if your Primary testis can't keep up a restart will not help. Even a men

that is Secondary having a Pituitary problem will not work. People with this

problem it rare to need surgery. But over doing Steroids not doing the right

cycle or over doing it exercising, poor diet. A jump start is worth a try.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:05 PM

> true it is I stand corrected...guess

> I am personalizing....but if it is failing testes...you

> can't fix that...if it is a pituitary tumor then maybe

> pituitary tumor removal can fix it....if it is some other

> cause then..who knows

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: my

> story

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011,

> 1:06 PM

> > > > > > Phil didn't he mention his low T

> was

> > > > > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which

> can cause

> > > low T and othr

> > > > > > health problems? Some Jocks due to

> damage

> > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > must make TRT because became

> hypoganism.

> > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > pulling from his past drug abuse.

> Yes, I

> > > agree it should be

> > > > > > criminal receiving horrible

> medical advice.

> > > Recently, a

> > > > > > cardiologist told me my worries

> are " in my

> > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Re: my

> story

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like

> you the

> > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > sick because they could not figure

> out why I

> > > was so sick

> > > > > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer

> from

> > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > story is long but you need to read

> it.

> > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I were you I would try to see

> if you can

> > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you can get

> your T

> > > levels jump started

> > > > > > again they can do it if not they

> can treat

> > > you so you feel

> > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

> st

> > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > medicine Male and female hormone

> disorders

> > > and metabolic

> > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to

> him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that

> will work

> > > with Dr.

> > > > > > over the phone to test and treat

> you he is

> > > one of the best

> > > > > > for jump starting men so they

> don't need

> > > TRT.

> > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it is criminal to tell a

> men his T

> > > levels are low

> > > > > > due to being psychological WTF is

> with some

> > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > no such thing as low T levels due

> to a

> > > psychological

> > > > > > problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [The entire original message is

> not

> > > included]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

March 2, 2011

then there is if the restart will work for me....mine I didn't abuse steroids I

just took them at a gentile age of 18...which might be more important then abuse

at 30. I never tried a restart i tried hcg...estrogen was too high. I find any

trt I try to make up for with lost time leads to high e conversion, when I

increase dosage..hcg was really bad with conversion. I even let it go and took

nothing for years and no restart or I may have reset it and it thinks that this

is the new normal for me of 250 t0 300 range. right now, I am trying a

restart...but I don't like clomid so I am trying....torem right now. well we

will see.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: my

> > story

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011,

> > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > Phil didn't he mention his low T

> > was

> > > > > > > caused by illcit drug abuse, which

> > can cause

> > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > health problems? Some Jocks due to

> > damage

> > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > must make TRT because became

> > hypoganism.

> > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > pulling from his past drug abuse.

> > Yes, I

> > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > criminal receiving horrible

> > medical advice.

> > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > cardiologist told me my worries

> > are " in my

> > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > into seeing a psychologist.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Re: my

> > story

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was a victim of bad Dr.'s like

> > you the

> > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > sick because they could not figure

> > out why I

> > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > from Fatigue they told me I suffer

> > from

> > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > story is long but you need to read

> > it.

> > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I were you I would try to see

> > if you can

> > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you can get

> > your T

> > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > again they can do it if not they

> > can treat

> > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Overbeck hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

> > st

> > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > medicine Male and female hormone

> > disorders

> > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile talk to

> > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or see if you can find a Dr. that

> > will work

> > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > over the phone to test and treat

> > you he is

> > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > for jump starting men so they

> > don't need

> > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it is criminal to tell a

> > men his T

> > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > due to being psychological WTF is

> > with some

> > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > no such thing as low T levels due

> > to a

> > > > psychological

> > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11, justinm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [The entire original message is

> > not

> > > > included]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

March 3, 2011

If your trying a restart on your own reading how to do this from the web good

luck. I only know of a few Dr.'s good at this and one only needs to take a

Steroid for a very short time to shut them selfs down and to get back one needs

a dam good Dr. that knows how to do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:52 PM

> then there is if the restart

> will work for me....mine I didn't abuse steroids I just took

> them at a gentile age of 18...which might be more important

> then abuse at 30. I never tried a restart i tried

> hcg...estrogen was too high. I find any trt I try to make up

> for with lost time leads to high e conversion, when I

> increase dosage..hcg was really bad with conversion. I even

> let it go and took nothing for years and no restart or I may

> have reset it and it thinks that this is the new normal for

> me of 250 t0 300 range. right now, I am trying a

> restart...but I don't like clomid so I am trying....torem

> right now. well we will see.

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> Re: my

> > > story

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, February

> 28, 2011,

> > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > Phil didn't he mention

> his low T

> > > was

> > > > > > > > caused by illcit drug

> abuse, which

> > > can cause

> > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > health problems? Some

> Jocks due to

> > > damage

> > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > must make TRT because

> became

> > > hypoganism.

> > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > pulling from his past

> drug abuse.

> > > Yes, I

> > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> horrible

> > > medical advice.

> > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > cardiologist told me my

> worries

> > > are " in my

> > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > into seeing a

> psychologist.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -----Original

> Message-----

> > > > > > > > From: philip georgian

> > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February

> 28, 2011

> > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re: my

> > > story

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was a victim of bad

> Dr.'s like

> > > you the

> > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > sick because they could

> not figure

> > > out why I

> > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > from Fatigue they told

> me I suffer

> > > from

> > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > story is long but you

> need to read

> > > it.

> > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I were you I would

> try to see

> > > if you can

> > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you

> can get

> > > your T

> > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > again they can do it if

> not they

> > > can treat

> > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Overbeck

> hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact

> 1100 fayette

> > > st

> > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > medicine Male and female

> hormone

> > > disorders

> > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile

> talk to

> > > him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or see if you can find a

> Dr. that

> > > will work

> > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > over the phone to test

> and treat

> > > you he is

> > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > for jump starting men so

> they

> > > don't need

> > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think it is criminal

> to tell a

> > > men his T

> > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > due to being

> psychological WTF is

> > > with some

> > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > no such thing as low T

> levels due

> > > to a

> > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11,

> justinm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [The entire original

> message is

> > > not

> > > > > included]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this message

> > > have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

March 4, 2011

do you know any good doctors?

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: my story

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:52 PM

> then there is ifÂ the restart

> will work for me....mine I didn't abuse steroids I just took

> them at a gentile age of 18...which might be more important

> then abuse at 30. I never tried a restart i tried

> hcg...estrogen was too high. I find any trt I try to make up

> for with lost time leads to high e conversion, when I

> increase dosage..hcg was really bad with conversion. I even

> let it go and took nothing for years and no restart or I may

> have reset it and it thinks that this is the new normal for

> me of 250 t0 300 range. right now, I am trying a

> restart...but I don't like clomid so I am trying....torem

> right now. well we will see.

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> Re: my

> > > story

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, February

> 28, 2011,

> > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > Phil didn't he mention

> his low T

> > > was

> > > > > > > > caused by illcit drug

> abuse, which

> > > can cause

> > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > health problems? Some

> Jocks due to

> > > damage

> > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > must make TRT because

> became

> > > hypoganism.

> > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > pulling from his past

> drug abuse.

> > > Yes, I

> > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> horrible

> > > medical advice.

> > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > cardiologist told me my

> worries

> > > are " in my

> > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > into seeing a

> psychologist.Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -----Original

> Message-----

> > > > > > > > From: philip georgian

> > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February

> 28, 2011

> > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> Re: my

> > > story

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was a victim of bad

> Dr.'s like

> > > you the

> > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > sick because they could

> not figure

> > > out why I

> > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > from Fatigue they told

> me I suffer

> > > from

> > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > story is long but you

> need to read

> > > it.

> > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I were you I would

> try to see

> > > if you can

> > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you

> can get

> > > your T

> > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > again they can do it if

> not they

> > > can treat

> > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Overbeck

> hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact

> 1100 fayette

> > > st

> > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > medicine Male and female

> hormone

> > > disorders

> > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile

> talk to

> > > him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or see if you can find a

> Dr. that

> > > will work

> > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > over the phone to test

> and treat

> > > you he is

> > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > for jump starting men so

> they

> > > don't need

> > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think it is criminal

> to tell a

> > > men his T

> > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > due to being

> psychological WTF is

> > > with some

> > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > no such thing as low T

> levels due

> > > to a

> > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11,

> justinm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [The entire original

> message is

> > > not

> > > > > included]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this message

> > > have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

March 4, 2011

anybody know any good doctor?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, February

> > 28, 2011,

> > > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > > Phil didn't he mention

> > his low T

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > caused by illcit drug

> > abuse, which

> > > > can cause

> > > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > > health problems? Some

> > Jocks due to

> > > > damage

> > > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > > must make TRT because

> > became

> > > > hypoganism.

> > > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > > pulling from his past

> > drug abuse.

> > > > Yes, I

> > > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> > horrible

> > > > medical advice.

> > > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > > cardiologist told me my

> > worries

> > > > are " in my

> > > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > > into seeing a

> > psychologist.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -----Original

> > Message-----

> > > > > > > > > From: philip georgian

> > > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February

> > 28, 2011

> > > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was a victim of bad

> > Dr.'s like

> > > > you the

> > > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > > sick because they could

> > not figure

> > > > out why I

> > > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > > from Fatigue they told

> > me I suffer

> > > > from

> > > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > > story is long but you

> > need to read

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I were you I would

> > try to see

> > > > if you can

> > > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you

> > can get

> > > > your T

> > > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > > again they can do it if

> > not they

> > > > can treat

> > > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Overbeck

> > hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact

> > 1100 fayette

> > > > st

> > > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > > medicine Male and female

> > hormone

> > > > disorders

> > > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile

> > talk to

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or see if you can find a

> > Dr. that

> > > > will work

> > > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > > over the phone to test

> > and treat

> > > > you he is

> > > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > > for jump starting men so

> > they

> > > > don't need

> > > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think it is criminal

> > to tell a

> > > > men his T

> > > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > > due to being

> > psychological WTF is

> > > > with some

> > > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > > no such thing as low T

> > levels due

> > > > to a

> > > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11,

> > justinm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [The entire original

> > message is

> > > > not

> > > > > > included]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> > this message

> > > > have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

March 4, 2011

Yes I do go to the Database section and look up Dr. Overbec Dr. no, Dr.

Shippen, Dr. Dach, Dr. Crisler and some web sites

http://www.agingprevent.com/Dr_Ullis.htm

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

http://www.jeffreydach.com/

http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > Subject: Re: my story

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:52 PM

> > then there is if the restart

> > will work for me....mine I didn't abuse steroids I

> just took

> > them at a gentile age of 18...which might be more

> important

> > then abuse at 30. I never tried a restart i tried

> > hcg...estrogen was too high. I find any trt I try to

> make up

> > for with lost time leads to high e conversion, when I

> > increase dosage..hcg was really bad with conversion. I

> even

> > let it go and took nothing for years and no restart or

> I may

> > have reset it and it thinks that this is the new

> normal for

> > me of 250 t0 300 range. right now, I am trying a

> > restart...but I don't like clomid so I am

> trying....torem

> > right now. well we will see.

> >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday,

> February

> > 28, 2011,

> > > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > > Phil didn't he

> mention

> > his low T

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > caused by illcit

> drug

> > abuse, which

> > > > can cause

> > > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > > health problems?

> Some

> > Jocks due to

> > > > damage

> > > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > > must make TRT

> because

> > became

> > > > hypoganism.

> > > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > > pulling from his

> past

> > drug abuse.

> > > > Yes, I

> > > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> > horrible

> > > > medical advice.

> > > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > > cardiologist told

> me my

> > worries

> > > > are " in my

> > > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > > into seeing a

> > psychologist.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -----Original

> > Message-----

> > > > > > > > > From: philip

> georgian

> > > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday,

> February

> > 28, 2011

> > > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was a victim of

> bad

> > Dr.'s like

> > > > you the

> > > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > > sick because they

> could

> > not figure

> > > > out why I

> > > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > > from Fatigue they

> told

> > me I suffer

> > > > from

> > > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > > story is long but

> you

> > need to read

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I were you I

> would

> > try to see

> > > > if you can

> > > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails

> if you

> > can get

> > > > your T

> > > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > > again they can do

> it if

> > not they

> > > > can treat

> > > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Overbeck

> > hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > > 484-868-0916

> contact

> > 1100 fayette

> > > > st

> > > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > > medicine Male and

> female

> > hormone

> > > > disorders

> > > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > > disorders

> 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a

> Emile

> > talk to

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or see if you can

> find a

> > Dr. that

> > > > will work

> > > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > > over the phone to

> test

> > and treat

> > > > you he is

> > > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > > for jump starting

> men so

> > they

> > > > don't need

> > > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > >

> www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think it is

> criminal

> > to tell a

> > > > men his T

> > > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > > due to being

> > psychological WTF is

> > > > with some

> > > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > > no such thing as

> low T

> > levels due

> > > > to a

> > > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun,

> 2/27/11,

> > justinm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [The entire

> original

> > message is

> > > > not

> > > > > > included]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions

> of

> > this message

> > > > have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

March 5, 2011

There are several dr's which may have good results with restarts, the problem is

that people rarely hold because there are metabolic road blocks that prevent the

body from continue the process. I use comprehensive testing to identifiy and

resolves these road blocks. Since implementing this approach, people on restarts

have a higher chance of maintaning their own levels when clomid is discontinued.

I am now working with a guy on TRT for several years and wanting to come off,

but it is not a good time. We decided we would look for any factors through

comprehensive testing preventing the success of the restart at the same

complemeting HRT making it potentially more effective. Again ever case is

different, however in a clincal setting this approach has dramatically improved

symptoms and patient out come in both scenerio's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> > > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> > > Re: my

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday,

> > February

> > > 28, 2011,

> > > > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Phil didn't he

> > mention

> > > his low T

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > caused by illcit

> > drug

> > > abuse, which

> > > > > can cause

> > > > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > > > health problems?

> > Some

> > > Jocks due to

> > > > > damage

> > > > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > > > must make TRT

> > because

> > > became

> > > > > hypoganism.

> > > > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > > > pulling from his

> > past

> > > drug abuse.

> > > > > Yes, I

> > > > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> > > horrible

> > > > > medical advice.

> > > > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > > > cardiologist told

> > me my

> > > worries

> > > > > are " in my

> > > > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > > > into seeing a

> > > psychologist.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -----Original

> > > Message-----

> > > > > > > > > > From: philip

> > georgian

> > > > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday,

> > February

> > > 28, 2011

> > > > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> > > Re: my

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was a victim of

> > bad

> > > Dr.'s like

> > > > > you the

> > > > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > > > sick because they

> > could

> > > not figure

> > > > > out why I

> > > > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > > > from Fatigue they

> > told

> > > me I suffer

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > > > story is long but

> > you

> > > need to read

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I were you I

> > would

> > > try to see

> > > > > if you can

> > > > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails

> > if you

> > > can get

> > > > > your T

> > > > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > > > again they can do

> > it if

> > > not they

> > > > > can treat

> > > > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Overbeck

> > > hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > > > 484-868-0916

> > contact

> > > 1100 fayette

> > > > > st

> > > > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > > > medicine Male and

> > female

> > > hormone

> > > > > disorders

> > > > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > > > disorders

> > 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a

> > Emile

> > > talk to

> > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or see if you can

> > find a

> > > Dr. that

> > > > > will work

> > > > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > > > over the phone to

> > test

> > > and treat

> > > > > you he is

> > > > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > > > for jump starting

> > men so

> > > they

> > > > > don't need

> > > > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think it is

> > criminal

> > > to tell a

> > > > > men his T

> > > > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > > > due to being

> > > psychological WTF is

> > > > > with some

> > > > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > > > no such thing as

> > low T

> > > levels due

> > > > > to a

> > > > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun,

> > 2/27/11,

> > > justinm

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [The entire

> > original

> > > message is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > included]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions

> > of

> > > this message

> > > > > have been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

March 5, 2011

If you are in PA you might want to contact me..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: uu1845@

> > <uu1845@>

> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, February

> > 28, 2011,

> > > > 1:06 PM

> > > > > > > > > Phil didn't he mention

> > his low T

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > caused by illcit drug

> > abuse, which

> > > > can cause

> > > > > > low T and othr

> > > > > > > > > health problems? Some

> > Jocks due to

> > > > damage

> > > > > > caused by steriods

> > > > > > > > > must make TRT because

> > became

> > > > hypoganism.

> > > > > > Maybe his doc was

> > > > > > > > > pulling from his past

> > drug abuse.

> > > > Yes, I

> > > > > > agree it should be

> > > > > > > > > criminal receiving

> > horrible

> > > > medical advice.

> > > > > > Recently, a

> > > > > > > > > cardiologist told me my

> > worries

> > > > are " in my

> > > > > > mind " and to look

> > > > > > > > > into seeing a

> > psychologist.Â

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -----Original

> > Message-----

> > > > > > > > > From: philip georgian

> > > > <pmgamer18@>

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February

> > 28, 2011

> > > > 12:59 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:

> > Re: my

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was a victim of bad

> > Dr.'s like

> > > > you the

> > > > > > firs 5 yrs I was

> > > > > > > > > sick because they could

> > not figure

> > > > out why I

> > > > > > was so sick

> > > > > > > > > from Fatigue they told

> > me I suffer

> > > > from

> > > > > > Major Depression my

> > > > > > > > > story is long but you

> > need to read

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I were you I would

> > try to see

> > > > if you can

> > > > > > work this Dr.

> > > > > > > > > O and Hardasnails if you

> > can get

> > > > your T

> > > > > > levels jump started

> > > > > > > > > again they can do it if

> > not they

> > > > can treat

> > > > > > you so you feel

> > > > > > > > > like a man again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Overbeck

> > hardasnails1973@

> > > > > > > > > 484-868-0916 contact

> > 1100 fayette

> > > > st

> > > > > > Conshohocken Internal

> > > > > > > > > medicine Male and female

> > hormone

> > > > disorders

> > > > > > and metabolic

> > > > > > > > > disorders 610-828-2026

> > > > > > > > > Send Hardasnails a Emile

> > talk to

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or see if you can find a

> > Dr. that

> > > > will work

> > > > > > with Dr.

> > > > > > > > > over the phone to test

> > and treat

> > > > you he is

> > > > > > one of the best

> > > > > > > > > for jump starting men so

> > they

> > > > don't need

> > > > > > TRT.

> > > > > > > > > www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > > > > > > or his forum at

> > > > > > > > >

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think it is criminal

> > to tell a

> > > > men his T

> > > > > > levels are low

> > > > > > > > > due to being

> > psychological WTF is

> > > > with some

> > > > > > Dr.'s there is

> > > > > > > > > no such thing as low T

> > levels due

> > > > to a

> > > > > > psychological

> > > > > > > > > problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > > > > > > Phil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/27/11,

> > justinm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [The entire original

> > message is

> > > > not

> > > > > > included]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> > this message

> > > > have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

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