Guest guest Posted August 1, 1999 Report Share Posted August 1, 1999 This " fight " is becoming inappropriate in this forum. I know I am uncomfortable with the tone it has taken on. Disagreement is healthy. Ridicule, put-downs, etc is not. It scares others who are less outspoken off. My 2c. Helene Rosen Beaumont Hospital. >>> " Physical Therapy Centers " 07/29/99 03:59pm >>> I believe that Mr. Flickinger needs to get his head out of the sand as the chiropractic profession has a full frontal assault against physical therapists doing spinal mobilization manipulation which means that's going to carve out 40% of his practice if he is in private practice. So he needs to open his eyes up as to what is the BIG PICTURE. Obviously, he is not seeing that; he is only seeing his little small piece of the world. Chiropractors are adamant that only they should have access to spinal mobilization manipulation of Medicare patients and therefore, to carve physical therapists out as having the capability of doing that. If they're successful in that, it is only a matter of time before their insurers will follow suit. So far chiropractors have stayed true to form. They have propagated lies and published lies about physical therapists being carved out of the Medicare program which HCFA has vehemently denied the allegations by chiropractors. Chiropractors have constantly taken half-truths and have stretched them into truth. They have no science backing behind them. None of their colleges have ever been hooked up with a credible college or university in their history. They are blatantly militant and want to roll over physical therapists. They also have larger bank rolls in their packs than physical therapists and as you all well know, we have the greatest government money can buy. That is a direct quote from Fortanasce, DPT from California. Just recently talking with one of Dr. Fortanasce' associates, they have been traveling around the country helping to raise money to fight chiropractors from taking this spinal mobilization manipulation away from physical therapists. Most recently, they have been successful; however, that doesn't mean that physical therapists will stay that way. This is an all out dog fight. Mr. Flickinger, you need to get all the facts of the entire picture before you make such narrow-minded statements. Look again at the document where it explains where Dickson the chiropractor was involved in the scam and he has been fined appropriately. Unfortunately, he hasn't lost his license or been put in prison as he was in the scam with three other people who had previously pleaded guilty to healthcare fraud. Mr. Flickinger, what more do you need? Is this the kind of individual that you want to refer your patients to or be in some kind of business deal with? Dickson was blatantly writing physicians orders and reports illegally and performing initial evaluations illegally. What more does it take for you to wake up!!! W. Apts, PT, OCS ---------- > > To: ptmanageregroups > Subject: Re: Manipulation > Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 7:17 AM > Barrett: SO, from your response to Elmer, the blending of the two techniques by Paris - in your understanding - was to tie the hands of the chiropractors rather than clinical relevance? That seems to me to be a lame reason to change commonly accepted terminology. Perhaps this is why our credibility is challenged in some arenas. G. Flickinger, PT Barrett Dorko wrote: > Elmer, > > I believe Stan saw that by separating this skill into two seemingly > distinct methods that we had given the chiropractors a place in which > to maneuver, and, of course, they continue to exploit that. Perhaps > it's too late to change that. > > For Louie: I'm no longer under the impression that manipulation is so > great a " skill " that I might have lost it. As I gained a greater > understanding of my patients, the materials they were composed of, and > the nature of their relevant problems, I simply abandoned it as my > favored choice of management. I'm satisfied it was and is the right > way for me to go. Skill is not the issue. > > Barrett > <http://qin.com/dorko> > > > > At 09:54 PM 7/28/99 , you wrote: > >Barrett: > > > > Dr. Paris did give me the distinct impression that he included > > mobilization under his definition of manipulation and that he > > preferred to use the term manipulation exclusively. > > > > Elmer Platz, PT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > www. - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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