Re: Digest Number 3634

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My blog and column is there too.

I am a Jungian Psychologist and Astrologer for over 40 years.

Recently I completed my second Satrun Return and part of that process for me is a new freedom to integrate my Astrology and Psychology in my writing.

I am currently updating my first two books which were on the healing process-looking at it in stages and using Jungian Psychology, Astrology and son growth and development models as a way of looking at spiritual and emotional growth and healing.

Most people call me by my Buddhist name Pema -my western name is Rev. Dr. O'Connell.

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From: JUNG-FIRE <JUNG-FIRE >Subject: Digest Number 3634To: JUNG-FIRE Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 5:04 AM

Iona Dove

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Welcome! From: IonaDove@...

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Re: Welcome! From: ekutn@...

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Welcome! From: Opa Beer

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sites for sore "I"s From: mike dickman

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Invitation 2 From: beeropa2

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Welcome!

Posted by: "IonaDove@..." IonaDove@... aliceohowell

Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:22 am (PDT)

We have 5 new members! We welcome you!It is customary for you to introduce yourselves: name, location, and your special interests, etc.I would esp appreciate this as your "moderator" - I am in a bind, timewise, visitors conflicting w/the next CREDO, which I hope to send in nxt week! It is on the Four Elements.... ....I am counting on other members to contribute a few samples of what we are all about!For now, I am resending the Editorial, simply because it has engendered such a wide response.We must better channel our FuriesLetter to the EditorUpdated: 03/27/2010 07:48:15 AM EDTSaturday March 27, 2010 Ad rem, ad hominem -- these four Latin words are the succinct legal language for what is happening in our country ever since the health reform bill passed in Congress.

They translate into describing the two ways of approaching a matter with an individual or a group. They translate "to the matter at hand, or to the person." When an idea is presented to others objectively, it forms a triangle -- I-thou and the topic. Both parties can look and consider the matter of the third calmly. But, when objectivity is lost, it becomes a duel, a personal matter of heated argument and emotional bias! Reason is lost, insults are hurled, fights ensue. As we have witnessed, this has led to recent violence against several Democratic members of Congress across the country, extended to their innocent families, and to destruction of property. Studies have been made and books written about "mob psychology," and their conclusion is that a mob collectively sinks to the lowest level of the group. The actual perpetrators are seized by the power of the collective anger, and act, shout, and

curse seemingly unconsciously. The ancient Greeks symbolically named these unconscious powers "the Furies," and as history has shown this energy, if left to spread, can have devastating consequences, and has even led to revolutions. It is vitally important, therefore, as citizens, to get back to ad rem and syphon off this energy into the Red Sox and the Yankees," Alice O. Howell For now, love to all! ao

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Re: Welcome!

Posted by: "ekutn@..." ekutn@... gb195058

Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:18 pm (PDT)

Hi Alice and other Jung-Fire members,I am Gail Kutner, currently living in San Diego.I am a recently retired educator and I have studied the concepts of Jung for several years both independently and through workshops throughout Ca. including Pacifica.I am grateful to be a part of the Jungian community. I appreciate the insights posted as it keeps me involved in yet another way with Jungian ideas. There is a great deal of knowledge to be gleaned on this site and I'm appreciate of all of your contributions. Thank You for your welcome Alice and perhaps I'll post more often.Regards,Gail Welcome!We have 5 new members! We welcome you!It is customary for you to introduce yourselves: name, location, and your special interests, etc.I would esp appreciate this as your "moderator" - I am in a bind, timewise, visitors conflicting w/the next CREDO, which I hope to send in nxt week! It is on the Four Elements.... ....I am counting on other members to contribute a few samples of what we are all about!For now, I am resending the Editorial, simply because it has engendered such a wide response.We must better channel our FuriesLetter to the EditorUpdated: 03/27/2010 07:48:15 AM EDTSaturday March 27, 2010 Ad rem, ad hominem -- these four

Latin words are the succinct legal language for what is happening in our country ever since the health reform bill passed in Congress. They translate into describing the two ways of approaching a matter with an individual or a group. They translate "to the matter at hand, or to the person." When an idea is presented to others objectively, it forms a triangle -- I-thou and the topic. Both parties can look and consider the matter of the third calmly. But, when objectivity is lost, it becomes a duel, a personal matter of heated argument and emotional bias! Reason is lost, insults are hurled, fights ensue. As we have witnessed, this has led to recent violence against several Democratic members of Congress across the country, extended to their innocent families, and to destruction of property. Studies have been made and books written about "mob psychology," and their conclusion is that a mob collectively sinks to the lowest level of the group. The

actual perpetrators are seized by the power of the collective anger, and act, shout, and curse seemingly unconsciously. The ancient Greeks symbolically named these unconscious powers "the Furies," and as history has shown this energy, if left to spread, can have devastating consequences, and has even led to revolutions. It is vitally important, therefore, as citizens, to get back to ad rem and syphon off this energy into the Red Sox and the Yankees," Alice O. HowellFor now, love to all!ao

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Welcome!

Posted by: "Opa Beer" opabeer2@... beeropa2

Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:57 am (PDT)

Dear Grand Lady, dear Alice,Thank you for your invitation Alice.Before I introduce myself, I like to spend some words on the Time Spirit.When Marie Louise von Franz was interviewed for the last time she uttered the words and the question:“The work of Jung must proceed, but where are the persons to continue his work, I don’t see themâ€.I always wondered about these words of Marie Louise von Franz and I can only come to one conclusion – our dear Alice provided me with the answer.Marie Louise von Franz was not accustomed to the modern way of communication and became isolated in the last years of her life.Alice on the other hand lived her life and is aware of the Time Spirit and although she is also brought up with the old ways of communication, she was and is able to adapt – and even on her respectable

age and even with a severe handicap, Alice is able to communicate all over the world – and personally I see this as a blessing in more then one way !The words above are of course the way as I experience this matter, from my point of view – with the greatest respect to the view on this matter from others.Let me introduce myself.My name is Ric Brijl – I am a Dutch citizen – I was born In Malang in the former Dutch East Indies on November 1 in the year 1942.I have been married for the second time for almost 25 years to Petra, my rock and in my eyes, still the most beautiful and loving wife on earth. Petra and I are blessed to have 4 children out of our first marriage and when the Forces are kind we can welcome our 5th grandchild in August.I am a retired Federal Investigator and when I retired we sold our house in the West and moved to the peaceful little village in North East of Holland.Petra

and I are great admires of Jung for about 15 years and recently also of dear Alice of course !As far as I can remember I always have been drawn to mystics, probably also due to my live in the tropics I guess - other interest are Greek mythology, Fairy tales, the stories in the Bible, Tantra Yoga, the Bhagavad Gita, the Kabalah, Madame Blavatsky, Rosicrucians, Free Mason, Astrology and Tarot.During my working life all of these interest had to be shared with my work and my responsibilities, but in a strange way they were sort of integrated in my life.When I discovered Jung I became aware, in the true sense of the word, that during my live I often have been confronted with synchronicity and that the Force to strive for individuation was leading.Looking back at my life it seems that Life was one great school, and that my Creator was so kind and enabled me to follow that school – and for that I feel very grateful and blessed

!Yes, life was and still is very kind to me and in times when life seemed or is not so kind, the only one who was and is to blame was and is myself, because due to my way of thinking, compared with conditioned feelings, I made the wrong decisions – but like a normal school it is the only way to learn, by falling and getting up and learn from my mistakes.All this in the hope that the next time I would see the hole before I fall into it and not after - smile !At the present my attention is drawn towards the connection of Synchronicity and the so called Akasha Archives.As far as I have read excellent the works of Ervin Laszlo on the matter of Akasha, he is referring to the past and the present, but not the future.My personal experience so far is : “Everything that is was already†– but of course I am just a former civil servant (yes Alice, a servant indeed, I am aware of the meaning in words) and not a

scientist.Well, I hope that met up with your expectations of invitation dear Alice – my apology for the choice of my words in the simple English language.Tomorrow we will leave on a short vacation and I hope to continue the contact with you dear Alice and the other members of Jung Fire when we are back.Until then – Ric.

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Posted by: "mike dickman" crowspeaks@... yunshou

Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:30 pm (PDT)

how did you find mine?and did you explore a little beyond?and are you aware of this group (which i started from the embers of another,many, many years ago but finally ceded to another, older, gentler and farwiser lass):<JUNG-FIRE@yahoogrou ps.com> ?Hope all is well. How's Jane? And your elder brother (whose name i havesadly forgotten)?Lots of love.m-- Nothing happens.~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16.We are all here to help each other go through this, whatever it is~Kurt VonnegutA living is what you get; a life is what you give~ChurchillIf you can't find the truth right where you are, where

else do you expect tofind it?~Dogen ZenjiEverything you know is wrong.~Firesign TheatrePlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

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Invitation 2

Posted by: "beeropa2" opabeer2@... beeropa2

Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:28 am (PDT)

Dear Alice and members of the group,I am so sorry – I sent the Invitation mail to hastily, and not to be accustomed to be a member of a group, I forgot the most important thing, namely the fact that I hope that I can be a servant and contribute to keep the Fire of the group alive and I am looking forward to learn and to share.I am fortunate and honored to be a member of Jung Fire, let there be no misunderstanding about that.Good wishes from Ric.

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