Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 jypsy, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice that post of mine. Thanks for noticing it. If you want to reprint the whole statement, go ahead. What do I mean by " something " needs to be done about the alarming increase of autism? By " something " , I don't mean anything eugenic. I oppose abortion anyway (unless in the case of rape) I also oppose " pre-natal genetic counseling " which just leads to selective abortions. I don't want them doing to us what they are doing to Down's Syndrome, which is basically extermination. CAN should just change its name to EAN. NAAR should become NARE; NTs for Autism Research and Extermination. By " something " I mean a universal recognition that a very significant number of people, easilly millions, will live with autism. By " something " , I mean a universal commitment to recognizing the diversity of the way that autism is experienced, respect for the people with it and their families. By " something " , I mean universal committment to adequate support, inclusion and acceptance of our present and future peerage in all societies for their entire lifespans. Most nations don't have a clue what autism is. Even where they do, we are far short of what I propose, for any place on the planet. Let me know if I left anything out..... Jerry Newport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 At 06:29 PM 6/14/2004 +0000, Gerald Newport wrote: > jypsy, > > I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice that >post of mine. Thanks for noticing it. If you want to reprint the whole >statement, go ahead. > > What do I mean by " something " needs to be done about the alarming >increase of autism? > > By " something " , I don't mean anything eugenic. I oppose abortion >anyway (unless in the case of rape) I also oppose " pre-natal genetic >counseling " which just leads to selective abortions. I don't want them doing >to us what they are doing to Down's Syndrome, which is basically >extermination. CAN should just change its name to EAN. NAAR should become >NARE; NTs for Autism Research and Extermination. > > By " something " I mean a universal recognition that a very >significant number of people, easilly millions, will live with autism. By > " something " , I mean a universal commitment to recognizing the diversity of >the way that autism is experienced, respect for the people with it and their >families. By " something " , I mean universal committment to adequate support, >inclusion and acceptance of our present and future peerage in all societies >for their entire lifespans. > > Most nations don't have a clue what autism is. Even where they >do, we are far short of what I propose, for any place on the planet. > > Let me know if I left anything out..... > > Jerry Newport Ok, Jerry's post in full: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:55:34 +0000 Subject: In case you need to wake up a legistator..... I tried these numbers out on an audience last week. They seemed to wake a few people up. Maybe they will work for you.... Every day, on the average... 400,000 new children born on our planet... Probably 2000 will turn out to have autism. ( At Least ) If those 2000 people cost some government or society a conservative estimate of $30,000 in support per year and live to be eighty ( never mind inflation, this is bad enough) then each day adds 4.8 billion in future world-wide societal costs, due to autism, to the world's future budget. That's, conservatively, an additional 56,000 dollars a second, every second, every day...... or over 1.75 trillion dollars per year in future obligation, worldwide, for autism. No matter how you feel about the cause, something needs to be done, about the alarming rate of new cases of autism. Maybe some legislator needs to know this Jerry Newport Adult with Asperger's Secretary Pima County ASA Chapter You are saying, it seems to me, that legislators need to know how much the " future world-wide societal costs, due to autism " is and that " something needs to be done, about the *alarming rate of new cases* of autism. " How does pointing out the costs, like the pushers of ABA etc do, and following that with your vague " something needs to be done, about the alarming rate of new cases of autism. " which sounds like yet another line from the from those trying to convince the world of this " epidemic " , " pandemic " , " terrible plague " etc etc without a word of " support, inclusion and acceptance " in there - send these parents off spouting your autistic gospel to anywhere but CAN and the eugenics side of the autism world? I can't see where your explanation has anything to do with your original post and neither do the parents who are running with it. -jypsy > ________________________________ Ooops....Wrong Planet! Syndrome Autism Spectrum Resources www.PlanetAutism.com jypsy@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Jypsy says the following on Jerry's post: " I can't see where your explanation has anything to do with your original post and neither do the parents who are running with it. " I don't get the point of such mathematical working outs (Jerry's). Increase of old people, advanced treatment for lifestyle diseases also increase by the day. Everything increases, from common bitrhrate to dicsoveries of things of importance (we seem to have more and more things we must do something about in order to maintain our physical, mental and conscience health. I don't get it. We're just here. Some need help that cost $$ others need help that cost geberal and basic humanity. Is it because we have started putting money as a trading unit for humanity? I think *that's* where the shoe hurts. I don't get it. Life is give and take. I take, I give, my child takes, my child gives. Life has always been like that. Hilsen, who of course gets it, but will till the day she dies push for good old common humanity, common sense and looking at the glass half full rather than the glass emptying out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 > By " something " I mean a universal recognition that a very > significant number of people, easilly millions, will live with autism. By > " something " , I mean a universal commitment to recognizing the diversity of > the way that autism is experienced, respect for the people with it and their > families. By " something " , I mean universal committment to adequate support, > inclusion and acceptance of our present and future peerage in all societies > for their entire lifespans. Adequate support costs money. Yes, incorrect support can cost a lot more then the correct support - nursing homes, institutions, and ABA are all things we are wasting tons of money on when there are cheaper and better options. But if you say " autism costs $X " , and leave at that, the logical conclusions are NOT " we need correct support instead of incorrect support " because most people don't know that correct support will save some money - although I suspect the cost of giving people support that don't have it now will cause this number to go up, not necessarily down. The fact is a lot of people don't get support that they do need. And giving them this support, unless you are going to do away with some other area of support (such as ABA or institutions), is going to cost even *MORE* money. I don't think I'd use " Look at how expensive autism is! " as an argument *FOR* spending *MORE* money. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 back in May, Jerry wrote: >Every day, on the average... > >400,000 new children born on our planet... > >Probably 2000 will turn out to have autism. ( At Least ) > >If those 2000 people cost some government or society a >conservative estimate of $30,000 in support per year and live to be eighty >( never mind inflation, this is bad enough) >then each day adds 4.8 billion in future world-wide societal costs, due to >autism, to the world's future budget. How much does it cost society per year for each non-autistic person? I agree with jypsy and that pointing out the social costs of autism is not an effective way to get where we want to go. It's so much easier to go from " costly autistics " to " must decrease number of autistics. " Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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