Re: Digest Number 2101

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In a message dated 10/3/2005 4:12:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JUNG-FIRE writes:

How do you determine the difference between knowingand believing? When you *know* there are angels, whatform does that knowledge take? An unusually vividstream of imagery? A flood of sounds or words comingfrom outside your normal internal dialogue? Is beliefmade of words where knowledge is made of motion? Thosedistinctions are the ones that come to my mind, butyour experience may be different. I assume there's afeeling associated with that knowing... where in yourbody does that feeling first make an impression? Dothe angels actually tell you they are angels, or doyou get some information that your ego didn't havebefore, and then say, "Oh, they must be angels. Onlyangels could do that"?

Hi :

Let me ask you something? Do you really wish to know? Or, do you wish to dialogue-debate to "prove" a point.

I am able to answer you honestly about how I know but I really have no point to prove here. My emails are generally well-accepted and often answered privately, "thank God you said that, or thank goodness someone has the courage to answer honestly."

But, I'm not here to convince you. The only way anyone here can absolutely know is to do the work themselves. Anything I say is simply second hand information to whomever it is that is reading this. Do you see what I mean? The only way to know an apple is to taste the fruit. That analogy is used quite intentionally in the Bible however badly it has been translated and misunderstood through the ages.

To use an analogy I've used here at least 12 times:

You can write one thousand pages on the chemistry, the agriculture, the marketing, etc., of an apple.

You can paint 1000 paintings.

You can sing 1000 songs.

You get my point ...

You still don't know the apple until you taste it.

It is the same with this. I can read d'Avila and I know what she's talking about but with no experience it is impossible to understand.

It's like giving birth to a baby. I can tell you what it feels like - sans pain killers - but you cannot know this experience.

So, my point is: If you really, truly care to know, I will answer. But, I honestly think you don't want to know you want to make a psychological point, which apologies in advance, doesn't interest me in the slightest. Spirituality in astrology is the 9th house, it is past the 8th house of psychology, it's already been addressed or the ego thinning which must occur cannot.

Actually that is an interesting conundrum one of those inside out pieces that the ego must first be strong enough to contain and then be able to be thinned, which cannot happen to a weak ego. Funny how the juxtapositions must always be in place.

So, I am at your service.

Humbly,

~ bo

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