Re: hello, Family, from Ken(the squarehead_

[Guest guest]

Ken, you are a treasure! It sounds like you and Tammy have a wonderful

relationship. What you have said is very thought provoking regarding television

and the commercials. I don't know if it is conscious on their part or pay back

from the Betty Crocker/Aunt Jemima days when the " girls " spent all their time in

the kitchen and thought the most wonderful thing they could be given was a

washing machine without the rollers (any one besides me remember these?).

One thing that might be helpful to couples who are stressed due to one partner

having RA might be couples counseling-so many times we hear our partner with our

ears and not with our heart and mind. " I can't deal with this " might translate

as " I would be lost without you and the changes you are undergoing scare the

chit out of me " . And then maybe not. Each relationship needs to find its own

balance. Some will work like well oiled machines. Some need the oil can and

will be just fine with enough maintenance-counseling, spirituality, what ever

makes you stronger. Some are so rusty there isn't enough oil in the world to

fix and those should be given a decent burial for the good of all concerned. My

prayer for all of you is that you have the time/can take the time to decide

which your relationship is and that the RA gives you enough space to work on

your relationships.

Kathy in CT

Right now we are dealing with my husband's retirement (last week) and my newly

diagnosed (February) RA-you should see OUR oil can!

[Guest guest]

Ken, you are a treasure! It sounds like you and Tammy have a wonderful

relationship. What you have said is very thought provoking regarding television

and the commercials. I don't know if it is conscious on their part or pay back

from the Betty Crocker/Aunt Jemima days when the " girls " spent all their time in

the kitchen and thought the most wonderful thing they could be given was a

washing machine without the rollers (any one besides me remember these?).

One thing that might be helpful to couples who are stressed due to one partner

having RA might be couples counseling-so many times we hear our partner with our

ears and not with our heart and mind. " I can't deal with this " might translate

as " I would be lost without you and the changes you are undergoing scare the

chit out of me " . And then maybe not. Each relationship needs to find its own

balance. Some will work like well oiled machines. Some need the oil can and

will be just fine with enough maintenance-counseling, spirituality, what ever

makes you stronger. Some are so rusty there isn't enough oil in the world to

fix and those should be given a decent burial for the good of all concerned. My

prayer for all of you is that you have the time/can take the time to decide

which your relationship is and that the RA gives you enough space to work on

your relationships.

Kathy in CT

Right now we are dealing with my husband's retirement (last week) and my newly

diagnosed (February) RA-you should see OUR oil can!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

You are very perceptive, and so right! Ron and I have refused to

watch any of the " sitcoms " for many years because they focus on the

negative aspects of family life--portraying men as stupid, women as

sex objects (or lack thereof, ie Rosie) and children as smart-mouthed

and destructive.

My biological father deserted us when I was six, but my mom's

brother, my Uncle Bill, took over the role, and he was a wonderful

father to me. When Ron and I married, it was Uncle Bill who walked

me down the aisle, and though I had re-established contact with my

bio. father, he sat in the pew alone. Uncle Bill & Aunt Liz had my 5

cousins, and we were as close as siblings--closer when you consider

that my 2 brothers want nothing to do with me. But I was made a part

of that family, and the " dysfunctional family " I was born into did

not have the impact on my life.

Ron was raised the only child of 2 very caring parents, and his

treatment of me reflects his upbringing, as does my aunt & uncle's

role in raising me reflect on my treatment of Ron. We were married

later in life, so maybe we appreciate each other more than if we had

married as teenagers. But we have friends who are in their 80's who

have been married 50-60 years, and they treat each other well.

No, I don't think you are unusual or rare, just very special and

blessed as well as a blessing to your sweetie.

Heartfelt thanks,

Judi

PS--please send us some of that rain--we are cement-dry here!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

You are very perceptive, and so right! Ron and I have refused to

watch any of the " sitcoms " for many years because they focus on the

negative aspects of family life--portraying men as stupid, women as

sex objects (or lack thereof, ie Rosie) and children as smart-mouthed

and destructive.

My biological father deserted us when I was six, but my mom's

brother, my Uncle Bill, took over the role, and he was a wonderful

father to me. When Ron and I married, it was Uncle Bill who walked

me down the aisle, and though I had re-established contact with my

bio. father, he sat in the pew alone. Uncle Bill & Aunt Liz had my 5

cousins, and we were as close as siblings--closer when you consider

that my 2 brothers want nothing to do with me. But I was made a part

of that family, and the " dysfunctional family " I was born into did

not have the impact on my life.

Ron was raised the only child of 2 very caring parents, and his

treatment of me reflects his upbringing, as does my aunt & uncle's

role in raising me reflect on my treatment of Ron. We were married

later in life, so maybe we appreciate each other more than if we had

married as teenagers. But we have friends who are in their 80's who

have been married 50-60 years, and they treat each other well.

No, I don't think you are unusual or rare, just very special and

blessed as well as a blessing to your sweetie.

Heartfelt thanks,

Judi

PS--please send us some of that rain--we are cement-dry here!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken!

Hope your pain goes away real soon. I wrote in saying I had the most

wonderful husband in the world and I do( he makes me laugh day and

night). I am lucky!

After emailing the list I asked my husband why he was so supportive of

me and if he knew how rare he was and his reply to me was this :

Honey, I am supportive of you because you were dealt a shitty hand of

cards with your health but you are the strongest woman I know, You

don't look for pity, you are not crying all the time, you have never

turned me away emotionally, I have seen you in pain and still do your

work, still cook for us, still go for coffee with me, still go sing

karaoke with me and even though your depressed sometimes with all that

is happening to your body you still show that you love me. You even get

up every morning with me and have a coffe with me before I go to work.

You don't let this disease live your life for you. What I mean is that

if you whined day and night and was wrapped up in self pity, and totally

shut me out of your life emotionally and sexually then maybe I would

not be as supportive. So you see this disease don't only effect you it

effects everyone around you also. So even though it is hard to smile

all the time then smile some of the time. I always say if I need my

cane I will use it, if the pain is bearable then i will not use it. I

guess I am rambling here but I am sure most of you get the point. This

disease don't have to change us totally!!!!!!!!!

gentle hugs,

Corinne

kenneth samuelsen wrote:

> Greetings to my Family!

> I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

> listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to thinking.

> There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've ever

> had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " , brings

> back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of comforting,

> hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a lot

> of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when you

> live in a mobile home)

> Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got everybody

> in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have told me

> that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I have R.A?I

> don't know.

> What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men, can't

> figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the things

> they do!

> .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL men

> are like this! "

> I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my sincere

> hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the television, has

> anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male Bashes? " Has anyone

> ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in their advertisements?The

> media is a powerful tool. It affects the subconcious of most people. I

> don't know how many of you remember this, it happened a long time ago,

> but " the Law " had to step in and deny the media the right to use

> " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in stores, and on billboards!

> Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you might ask?It's when a

> messege is flashed so fast that your concious mind can't recognize it,

> but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a perfect example....they had a

> picture of a beautiful girl showing, did a " close up " on her

> lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted there. NOT so you could see it

> with your concious mind. Stores were notorious for including in their

> " music " little phrases such as " buy this

> product " , naming the product.

> It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it up!

> Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down, and

> honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a man as

> even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around on his

> lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you his new

> car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you he's in

> debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging upside

> down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

> called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't get

> it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the boys

> how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely says

> " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that age?

> If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe it! And

> I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are portrayed!

> Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed " for

> them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

> them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that to be

> any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn on

> the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count how

> many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

> stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help? I'd

> really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the dishes,

> vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather they are

> sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I would never

> tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,: She is my

> PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I stay

> home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in fun,

> of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed laughing, and

> that's how we wake up too!

> T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

> little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many times

> YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses to all

> of this please?

> All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> for Mobile

> Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken!

Hope your pain goes away real soon. I wrote in saying I had the most

wonderful husband in the world and I do( he makes me laugh day and

night). I am lucky!

After emailing the list I asked my husband why he was so supportive of

me and if he knew how rare he was and his reply to me was this :

Honey, I am supportive of you because you were dealt a shitty hand of

cards with your health but you are the strongest woman I know, You

don't look for pity, you are not crying all the time, you have never

turned me away emotionally, I have seen you in pain and still do your

work, still cook for us, still go for coffee with me, still go sing

karaoke with me and even though your depressed sometimes with all that

is happening to your body you still show that you love me. You even get

up every morning with me and have a coffe with me before I go to work.

You don't let this disease live your life for you. What I mean is that

if you whined day and night and was wrapped up in self pity, and totally

shut me out of your life emotionally and sexually then maybe I would

not be as supportive. So you see this disease don't only effect you it

effects everyone around you also. So even though it is hard to smile

all the time then smile some of the time. I always say if I need my

cane I will use it, if the pain is bearable then i will not use it. I

guess I am rambling here but I am sure most of you get the point. This

disease don't have to change us totally!!!!!!!!!

gentle hugs,

Corinne

kenneth samuelsen wrote:

> Greetings to my Family!

> I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

> listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to thinking.

> There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've ever

> had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " , brings

> back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of comforting,

> hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a lot

> of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when you

> live in a mobile home)

> Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got everybody

> in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have told me

> that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I have R.A?I

> don't know.

> What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men, can't

> figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the things

> they do!

> .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL men

> are like this! "

> I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my sincere

> hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the television, has

> anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male Bashes? " Has anyone

> ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in their advertisements?The

> media is a powerful tool. It affects the subconcious of most people. I

> don't know how many of you remember this, it happened a long time ago,

> but " the Law " had to step in and deny the media the right to use

> " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in stores, and on billboards!

> Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you might ask?It's when a

> messege is flashed so fast that your concious mind can't recognize it,

> but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a perfect example....they had a

> picture of a beautiful girl showing, did a " close up " on her

> lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted there. NOT so you could see it

> with your concious mind. Stores were notorious for including in their

> " music " little phrases such as " buy this

> product " , naming the product.

> It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it up!

> Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down, and

> honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a man as

> even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around on his

> lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you his new

> car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you he's in

> debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging upside

> down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

> called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't get

> it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the boys

> how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely says

> " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that age?

> If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe it! And

> I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are portrayed!

> Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed " for

> them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

> them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that to be

> any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn on

> the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count how

> many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

> stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help? I'd

> really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the dishes,

> vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather they are

> sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I would never

> tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,: She is my

> PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I stay

> home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in fun,

> of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed laughing, and

> that's how we wake up too!

> T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

> little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many times

> YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses to all

> of this please?

> All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> for Mobile

> Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that is wonderful that you have a great husband, you are one

of the lucky ones. We all want support from someone, it doesn't have

to be the male species. It could be anyone, family or friends.

My lifeline is from the wonderful people in this group. I don't lay

around in self pity, or wait for someone to do something for me.

Because, I would be waiting a very long time. I have a 10yr old girl

that I take care of all the time. I keep up with the house, yard,

cooking, I do it all, with no help. It's hard at times to not have

someone to hold my hand, or just look into my eyes to tell me it's

alright, but I manage. I think there are a lot people without the

type of support they need, and that is what it's all about.

Tawny

>

> > Greetings to my Family!

> > I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

> > listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to

thinking.

> > There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've

ever

> > had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " ,

brings

> > back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of

comforting,

> > hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a

lot

> > of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when

you

> > live in a mobile home)

> > Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got

everybody

> > in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have told

me

> > that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I have

R.A?I

> > don't know.

> > What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men,

can't

> > figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the

things

> > they do!

> > .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL

men

> > are like this! "

> > I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my

sincere

> > hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the television,

has

> > anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male Bashes? " Has

anyone

> > ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in their

advertisements?The

> > media is a powerful tool. It affects the subconcious of most

people. I

> > don't know how many of you remember this, it happened a long time

ago,

> > but " the Law " had to step in and deny the media the right to use

> > " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in stores, and on billboards!

> > Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you might ask?It's when a

> > messege is flashed so fast that your concious mind can't

recognize it,

> > but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a perfect example....they

had a

> > picture of a beautiful girl showing, did a " close up " on her

> > lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted there. NOT so you could

see it

> > with your concious mind. Stores were notorious for including in

their

> > " music " little phrases such as " buy this

> > product " , naming the product.

> > It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it

up!

> > Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down,

and

> > honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a

man as

> > even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around

on his

> > lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you

his new

> > car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you he's

in

> > debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging

upside

> > down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

> > called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't

get

> > it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the

boys

> > how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely says

> > " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that

age?

> > If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe

it! And

> > I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are

portrayed!

> > Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed "

for

> > them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

> > them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that

to be

> > any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> > Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn

on

> > the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count

how

> > many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

> > stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help?

I'd

> > really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> > Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the

dishes,

> > vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather they

are

> > sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I would

never

> > tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,: She is my

> > PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I stay

> > home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in

fun,

> > of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed

laughing, and

> > that's how we wake up too!

> > T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

> > little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many

times

> > YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses

to all

> > of this please?

> > All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > for Mobile

> > Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think that is wonderful that you have a great husband, you are one

of the lucky ones. We all want support from someone, it doesn't have

to be the male species. It could be anyone, family or friends.

My lifeline is from the wonderful people in this group. I don't lay

around in self pity, or wait for someone to do something for me.

Because, I would be waiting a very long time. I have a 10yr old girl

that I take care of all the time. I keep up with the house, yard,

cooking, I do it all, with no help. It's hard at times to not have

someone to hold my hand, or just look into my eyes to tell me it's

alright, but I manage. I think there are a lot people without the

type of support they need, and that is what it's all about.

Tawny

>

> > Greetings to my Family!

> > I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

> > listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to

thinking.

> > There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've

ever

> > had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " ,

brings

> > back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of

comforting,

> > hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a

lot

> > of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when

you

> > live in a mobile home)

> > Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got

everybody

> > in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have told

me

> > that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I have

R.A?I

> > don't know.

> > What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men,

can't

> > figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the

things

> > they do!

> > .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL

men

> > are like this! "

> > I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my

sincere

> > hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the television,

has

> > anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male Bashes? " Has

anyone

> > ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in their

advertisements?The

> > media is a powerful tool. It affects the subconcious of most

people. I

> > don't know how many of you remember this, it happened a long time

ago,

> > but " the Law " had to step in and deny the media the right to use

> > " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in stores, and on billboards!

> > Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you might ask?It's when a

> > messege is flashed so fast that your concious mind can't

recognize it,

> > but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a perfect example....they

had a

> > picture of a beautiful girl showing, did a " close up " on her

> > lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted there. NOT so you could

see it

> > with your concious mind. Stores were notorious for including in

their

> > " music " little phrases such as " buy this

> > product " , naming the product.

> > It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it

up!

> > Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down,

and

> > honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a

man as

> > even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around

on his

> > lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you

his new

> > car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you he's

in

> > debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging

upside

> > down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

> > called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't

get

> > it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the

boys

> > how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely says

> > " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that

age?

> > If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe

it! And

> > I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are

portrayed!

> > Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed "

for

> > them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

> > them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that

to be

> > any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> > Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn

on

> > the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count

how

> > many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

> > stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help?

I'd

> > really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> > Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the

dishes,

> > vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather they

are

> > sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I would

never

> > tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,: She is my

> > PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I stay

> > home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in

fun,

> > of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed

laughing, and

> > that's how we wake up too!

> > T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

> > little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many

times

> > YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses

to all

> > of this please?

> > All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > for Mobile

> > Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken!! FINALLY! Someone else is seeing this indignity.

I am the mother of 4 boys, and it sickens me to death about the way

boys/men are portrayed in this society. Women wanted equal rights

but they are now doing what they accused men of doing for decades.

Ever hear of Glenn Sacks? He is EXCELLENT! I get e-newsletter.

There are MANY informative articles on there. He also has a radio

talk show, which I have not heart. He makes excellent points and is

constantly fighting NOW. Personally, I will have nothing to do with

NOW but, unfortunately, they are thriving in the business of

destroying men and their paternal rights.

One of the commercials that send me over the edge is the one w/ the

mother who's got the kids doing bidding for the last something or

other. The little girl eventually wins with, " Watering the Ficus. "

The boys goes, " What's a ficus? " Pixxes me OFF to NO end!!

Also, in the Atlantic Monthly magazine, a while back, they had a list

of scenarios which educational book illustrators were no

longer " allowed " to use. You could not illustrate:

*A male using a tool while a female watched.

*A woman cooking while the man came home from work.

*Aggressive women corporate office workers.

The list goes on and on. I read it a few years ago. About 2 mos

ago, my kindergarten aged son brought home a photocopied story that

they read that day. Sure enough, there was a woman working under the

hood of a car and a man, who was OBVIOUSLY a " queen " , using a sewing

machine. I was so angry.

Traditional values and homes are being swept under the carpet. Males

have been being told they are not needed, thereby worthless, since

the damn women's movement in the 60's. Families like mine are being

called " unacceptable " or " oppressive. " Who the hell is getting

oppressed here?

America is on the downhill here, Folks. It's only going to get

worse. Why is no one speaking up against this? If they portrayed

females in the media the way they do males, there would be lawsuits

flying left and right.

I'm sick of this. It makes me sick. I boycott every product out

there that advertises like that. If enough ppl did this, you could

bet their unreasonable ads would stop. Eventually.

*Sigh*

Sara

> Greetings to my Family!

> I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to thinking.

There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've ever

had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " , brings

back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of comforting,

hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a lot

of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when you

live in a mobile home)

> Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got

everybody in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have

told me that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I

have R.A?I don't know.

> What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men, can't

figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the things

they do!

> .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL men

are like this! "

> I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my

sincere hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the

television, has anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male

Bashes? " Has anyone ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in

their advertisements?The media is a powerful tool. It affects the

subconcious of most people. I don't know how many of you remember

this, it happened a long time ago, but " the Law " had to step in and

deny the media the right to use " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in

stores, and on billboards! Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you

might ask?It's when a messege is flashed so fast that your concious

mind can't recognize it, but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a

perfect example....they had a picture of a beautiful girl showing,

did a " close up " on her lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted

there. NOT so you could see it with your concious mind. Stores were

notorious for including in their " music " little phrases such as " buy

this

> product " , naming the product.

> It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it up!

> Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down, and

honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a man

as even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around on

his lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you

his new car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you

he's in debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging

upside down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't get

it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the boys

how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely

says " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that

age? If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe

it! And I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are

portrayed!

> Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed " for

them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that to be

any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn

on the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count

how many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help? I'd

really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the

dishes, vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather

they are sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I

would never tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,:

She is my PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I

stay home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in

fun, of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed

laughing, and that's how we wake up too!

> T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many times

YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses to

all of this please?

> All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> for Mobile

> Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken!! FINALLY! Someone else is seeing this indignity.

I am the mother of 4 boys, and it sickens me to death about the way

boys/men are portrayed in this society. Women wanted equal rights

but they are now doing what they accused men of doing for decades.

Ever hear of Glenn Sacks? He is EXCELLENT! I get e-newsletter.

There are MANY informative articles on there. He also has a radio

talk show, which I have not heart. He makes excellent points and is

constantly fighting NOW. Personally, I will have nothing to do with

NOW but, unfortunately, they are thriving in the business of

destroying men and their paternal rights.

One of the commercials that send me over the edge is the one w/ the

mother who's got the kids doing bidding for the last something or

other. The little girl eventually wins with, " Watering the Ficus. "

The boys goes, " What's a ficus? " Pixxes me OFF to NO end!!

Also, in the Atlantic Monthly magazine, a while back, they had a list

of scenarios which educational book illustrators were no

longer " allowed " to use. You could not illustrate:

*A male using a tool while a female watched.

*A woman cooking while the man came home from work.

*Aggressive women corporate office workers.

The list goes on and on. I read it a few years ago. About 2 mos

ago, my kindergarten aged son brought home a photocopied story that

they read that day. Sure enough, there was a woman working under the

hood of a car and a man, who was OBVIOUSLY a " queen " , using a sewing

machine. I was so angry.

Traditional values and homes are being swept under the carpet. Males

have been being told they are not needed, thereby worthless, since

the damn women's movement in the 60's. Families like mine are being

called " unacceptable " or " oppressive. " Who the hell is getting

oppressed here?

America is on the downhill here, Folks. It's only going to get

worse. Why is no one speaking up against this? If they portrayed

females in the media the way they do males, there would be lawsuits

flying left and right.

I'm sick of this. It makes me sick. I boycott every product out

there that advertises like that. If enough ppl did this, you could

bet their unreasonable ads would stop. Eventually.

*Sigh*

Sara

> Greetings to my Family!

> I woke this morning, in pain, as usual, and as I sat there,

listening to the rain coming down upon my roof, I got to thinking.

There's been an awful lot of rain this summer, more than we've ever

had. Listening to the rain often makes me feel " melencholy " , brings

back lots of memories, yet, at the same time it's kind of comforting,

hearing it, knowing you are warm and dry, not out in it (done a lot

of camping in my life...it's kind of like being in a tent, when you

live in a mobile home)

> Then, I thought about this " Husband " thing, that's got

everybody in an uproar.I KNOW that I am different. Enough people have

told me that, so I tend to kind of believe it. But, is it because I

have R.A?I don't know.

> What I DO know, is that I can't " identify " with most men, can't

figure out their " thought processes, or answer why they do the things

they do!

> .But I say to myself: " Surely I am not alone! Surely, not ALL men

are like this! "

> I am going to pose a question to ALL of you, and it is my

sincere hopes that you answer me........When you turn on the

television, has anyone else but ME noticed how the Media " Male

Bashes? " Has anyone ELSE noticed HOW the t.v.uses male bashing in

their advertisements?The media is a powerful tool. It affects the

subconcious of most people. I don't know how many of you remember

this, it happened a long time ago, but " the Law " had to step in and

deny the media the right to use " subliminal advertising " ,on T.V., in

stores, and on billboards! Really!What IS subliminal advertising? you

might ask?It's when a messege is flashed so fast that your concious

mind can't recognize it, but your subconcious CAN.!R.C Cola is a

perfect example....they had a picture of a beautiful girl showing,

did a " close up " on her lips...and the word " sex " was imprinted

there. NOT so you could see it with your concious mind. Stores were

notorious for including in their " music " little phrases such as " buy

this

> product " , naming the product.

> It was said so quickly the ordinary mind couldn't pick it up!

> Why am I telling you all this? Because, if you really sit down, and

honestly think about it, tell me....how many commercials show a man

as even a little smart? Instead, they show some guy rolling around on

his lawn tractor, saying " somebody help me " , after he has shown you

his new car, his new house, his nice neighborhood, and telling you

he's in debt up to his eyeballs. They show two little boys, hanging

upside down on a set of monkey bars, holding a " new " style of mustard

called " upside down " mustard, and one says to the other " I don't get

it " ...and some little girl shows up, grabs the bottle, shows the boys

how to use it, and contempt in her voice, she merely

says " Boys! " .....I wonder what that DOES to the mind of a child that

age? If people see it on t.v., they tend to soak it up, and believe

it! And I personally don't think all men are as dumb as they are

portrayed!

> Boys are taught from an early age that it " isn't allowed " for

them to show emotion, to cry, to feel.I wonder what that does to

them....especially when they are told they are stupid,told that to be

any way otherwise makes them " sissies " ?

> Do me a favor...try this little experiment: next time you turn

on the t.v., now that you have been " told " about it, try and count

how many commercials show some kind of portrayal of men being weak,

stupid, dumb, unable to do even the simplest task with out help? I'd

really like to know if you see the same thing I see?

> Not ALL of us ARE that way. Some, like I, actually DO the

dishes, vacuum the floor, and be supportive to their wife, weather

they are sick or not.Personally, when I married Tammy, I told her I

would never tell her what to do, unless it was for her own safety,:

She is my PARTNER, not my handy live in slave!SHE goes to work, and I

stay home...(R.A.) Hahaha....she calls me her little " house bitch " (in

fun, of course....but you know what? Most nights we go to bed

laughing, and that's how we wake up too!

> T.V would have you believe I never grew up) haha! So do this

little experiment for me...watch the t.v ....tell me how many times

YOU see " male bashing " ...and e-mail me back with your responses to

all of this please?

> All my love to all of you......squarehead ken

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> for Mobile

> Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

>

>