Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 I don't know, but as Pierre says, kidneys aren't related to digestion. I eat a lot of vegetable protein, but that's mainly becuase you can eat more weight of vegetables than meat for the same protein and I'm a pig! Have you been referred to or seen a nutritoinist/dietician? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Yes. That was the wack-job that wanted to try restricting my Gluten intake. She and my neph seem to have to idea as to what different types of protein do. They are just concerned that there is no creatine in any of this stuff, which could throw off my tests. I have varied my protein intake from 50 or so grams a day to well into the 150 range and my tests were never thrown off. A large part of me feels that the Nephs are so clueless that they restrict protein because of past experience with other diseases. The problem is that a small part of me worries I will do damage. > Re: Types of Protein > > > I don't know, but as Pierre says, kidneys aren't related to digestion. I > eat a lot of vegetable protein, but that's mainly becuase you can > eat more > weight of vegetables than meat for the same protein and I'm a > pig! Have you > been referred to or seen a nutritoinist/dietician? > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Understand and sympathise completely! If they don't say no I would think it would be ok. We can only do what seems right to us at the time. Reply-To: iga-nephropathy To: <iga-nephropathy > Subject: RE: Types of Protein Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:33:03 -0400 Yes. That was the wack-job that wanted to try restricting my Gluten intake. She and my neph seem to have to idea as to what different types of protein do. They are just concerned that there is no creatine in any of this stuff, which could throw off my tests. I have varied my protein intake from 50 or so grams a day to well into the 150 range and my tests were never thrown off. A large part of me feels that the Nephs are so clueless that they restrict protein because of past experience with other diseases. The problem is that a small part of me worries I will do damage. > Re: Types of Protein > > > I don't know, but as Pierre says, kidneys aren't related to digestion. I > eat a lot of vegetable protein, but that's mainly becuase you can > eat more > weight of vegetables than meat for the same protein and I'm a > pig! Have you > been referred to or seen a nutritoinist/dietician? > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Hi Guys First off, have I missed something the last couple of days? What is all the fuss about Yahoo and pornography etc? I have been tied up with family matters over Easter so haven't really paid much attention to the group messages. Anyway back to the protein issue.......as you all know I do not eat any red meat at all, and very occasionally chicken or turkey. I do however eat tons of Quorn products, which if you read the label are high in protein? I guess until my readings tell me otherwise I can continue to eat this? Advice please. Absolutely agree I eat tons of veggies too, but had my first allergic reaction to a vegetable believe it or not. I ate asparagus, result very upset tummy and the famous red rash covering all my face, and upper torso, how weird is that!!! Feeling very virtuous today, have just done 90 minutes hard slog at the gym, and have booked in for more of the same tomorrow. Glad to see everyone is sounding ok. Best wishes Re: Types of Protein That's hard to say Byron. As I've said before on this group, to the kidneys themselves, protein is protein, no matter where it comes from. If your BUN is anywhere close to normal, this tends to show you aren't eating too much protein for YOU. As the kidney function declines, other problems arise, such as having too much uric acid, potassium and phosphorous. To oversimplify somewhat, some meat and some vegetable protein sources are worse than others, not so much because of the protein, but because they tend to cause increased serum levels of these products. So, to make a long story short, it's complex enough that when these things become a problem, it's best to get your dietary instructions from a dietician that the nephrologist has referred you to. I never give specific dietary advice on this group for that reason. If it were me, I would not experiment with various protein products, and I would just get my nutrition from a normal food-based diet until I'm told to do otherwise. To answer your specific question though, you probably aren't doing damage if your BUN is good -- because this means you aren't ingesting more protein than your kidneys can handle. However, the whole question about protein intake is really up in the air in terms of how it affects chronic IgAN. It's thought in general that a lower protein intake is beneficial in kidney disease, but then there is some clinical trial evidence that it makes no difference at all with chronic IgAN when heavy proteinuria is not a problem. So who knows? Pierre Types of Protein > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins, for > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for example the > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am doing > more damage, less damage, or the same? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 You guys kill me...Quorn...Porn...LOL. = ) Well, this is more of a comment then a question. For the past 3 weeks I have been doing some serious walking. All kinds of hills and what not, usually staying gone for an hour every other day of the week. And buddy I'm telling you, I haven't had any flank pain since. Weird. And I also qiut taking my fish oil. So I'm not sure what is contributing to it but I couldn't be happier. I meet with a new neph on Thursday. I'm kind of nervous. My mom is going. At first I was very much against this but a second pair of ears will be nice. I am preparing a list of questions for him. You guys have any you think I should mention? Also, I don't know about ya'll but we had some freak weather done here today. For the past few days it has been in the 80's and 90's then about 10am it started snowing. Crazy stuff. Anywho, I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying their day. Big smiles, Pierre L wrote: Hi .You didn't miss much, just a couple of people making a statement before theyunsubscribed - following a news item about Yahoo having some x-rated videosavailable from its online shop.What the heck is a Quorn product? If it's porn, I don't want to know... : )...Never mind, I just found their website. Well, the products don't seem tobe any higher in protein than the meats they replace, and they arelow-sodium. I don't think they would be harmful in any way, but that's justmy opinion.Never heard of them before though. They say it's mushroom-based. Taste good?Pierre Types of Protein>>> > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins,for> > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily> > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body> > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for examplethe> > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I> > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content> > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am> doing> > more damage, less damage, or the same?> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Hi Pierre Quorn or porn what the heck LOL!!!! Yes it is pretty yummy, quorn that is !!! Comes in all disguises, tonight I had chive and cheese flavoured. The sausages are particularly scrummy, although Dave says they remind him of shoe leather LOL!!! So x-rated films well I don't have a problem with it one way or the other, everyone to their own I say. It's widely available elsewhere, so no escaping it really. Low sodium must be a plus for us I guess, so I shall carry on eating it then LOL. Best wishes Re: Types of Protein Hi . You didn't miss much, just a couple of people making a statement before they unsubscribed - following a news item about Yahoo having some x-rated videos available from its online shop. What the heck is a Quorn product? If it's porn, I don't want to know... : ) ....Never mind, I just found their website. Well, the products don't seem to be any higher in protein than the meats they replace, and they are low-sodium. I don't think they would be harmful in any way, but that's just my opinion. Never heard of them before though. They say it's mushroom-based. Taste good? Pierre Types of Protein > > > > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins, for > > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily > > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body > > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for example the > > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I > > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content > > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am > doing > > more damage, less damage, or the same? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 That's hard to say Byron. As I've said before on this group, to the kidneys themselves, protein is protein, no matter where it comes from. If your BUN is anywhere close to normal, this tends to show you aren't eating too much protein for YOU. As the kidney function declines, other problems arise, such as having too much uric acid, potassium and phosphorous. To oversimplify somewhat, some meat and some vegetable protein sources are worse than others, not so much because of the protein, but because they tend to cause increased serum levels of these products. So, to make a long story short, it's complex enough that when these things become a problem, it's best to get your dietary instructions from a dietician that the nephrologist has referred you to. I never give specific dietary advice on this group for that reason. If it were me, I would not experiment with various protein products, and I would just get my nutrition from a normal food-based diet until I'm told to do otherwise. To answer your specific question though, you probably aren't doing damage if your BUN is good -- because this means you aren't ingesting more protein than your kidneys can handle. However, the whole question about protein intake is really up in the air in terms of how it affects chronic IgAN. It's thought in general that a lower protein intake is beneficial in kidney disease, but then there is some clinical trial evidence that it makes no difference at all with chronic IgAN when heavy proteinuria is not a problem. So who knows? Pierre Types of Protein > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins, for > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for example the > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am doing > more damage, less damage, or the same? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Hi . You didn't miss much, just a couple of people making a statement before they unsubscribed - following a news item about Yahoo having some x-rated videos available from its online shop. What the heck is a Quorn product? If it's porn, I don't want to know... : ) ....Never mind, I just found their website. Well, the products don't seem to be any higher in protein than the meats they replace, and they are low-sodium. I don't think they would be harmful in any way, but that's just my opinion. Never heard of them before though. They say it's mushroom-based. Taste good? Pierre Types of Protein > > > > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins, for > > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily > > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body > > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for example the > > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I > > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content > > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am > doing > > more damage, less damage, or the same? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Re: Types of Protein > > You guys kill me...Quorn...Porn...LOL. = ) > > Well, this is more of a comment then a question. For the past 3 weeks I have been doing some serious walking. All kinds of hills and what not, usually staying gone for an hour every other day of the week. And buddy I'm telling you, I haven't had any flank pain since. Weird. And I also qiut taking my fish oil. So I'm not sure what is contributing to it but I couldn't be happier. > Well, you can't argue with success, so I guess you'll have to keep walking . Seriously though, walking is darn good exercise for IgANers. I won't touch the fish oil issue with a 10-foot pole though. About what you should ask your neph, I'm not sure what to say. It depends on what you may or may not already know, and what you want to know. Some people prefer not to know too much about it. Me, as an informed patient, I like to keep tabs on the things that are usually flagged as being abnormal on the lab report: serum creatinine, protein in 24 hour urine, potassium (if applicable), hematocrit (if applicable), blood in urine. But if you leave the office knowing your serum creatinine especially, and your proteinuria (assuming you did a 24 hr urine), you're in pretty good shape for being able to keep track of how it's evolving. If the doctor doesn't mention anything else, it's usually because it isn't a problem. You might want to just ask if it might be worth taking a small dose of an ACE inhibitor like ramipril (I don't recall if you already do). You could ask for a prediction on eventual kidney failure. Docs usually dance pretty well around that one, but sometimes it's fun to watch : ) Of course, that's all easy to say. When I go to mine, I barely have time to say hello and goodbye. Good luck. Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hi Byron, Just read you're question. All protein is a " string " of aminoacids. There are 20 different ones. 7 of them are essential to humans, that means that your body can't produce them, but has to get them out of our food. Protein out of meat and cheese, and eggs have the right combination of aminoacids for a human body to get his building blocks from. It's very simular to the human protein. Vegetable protein is not this complete on its own. Thats the reason people eat beans and rise together for instance. Together you get all the essential aminoacids. Where is this leading to, you may think. Well, those shakes have the right combination of aminoacids, but its still protein. Just like any protein to the body. In the digestion proces the protein is broken down in all the aminoacids. The origin isn't interesting for the body. All the extra protein wich is not used for building is used for energyproduction in the body and is broken down. The waste products are washed out by the kidneys. They don't make a difference in the origin of the protein. Trading eggs and toast for a shake and oatmeal will make a difference in the amount of fat in your breakfast, but I doubt if it's a big change in protein. If you want a more accurate comparison of the two options I could calculate it for you.. SOrry if it seems a bit incoherent but it's getting late and I had a busy day. Groetjes, Mariëtte Types of Protein > Here's my question of the day. There are certain processed proteins, for > example whey protein, that fitness people ingest because it is easily > digested by the body and thus gets to the muscles. Supposedly your body > uses more of this type of protein and more easily than say for example the > protein in an egg. So, instead of eating eggs and toast for breakfast I > have a yummy chocolate protein shake and oatmeal. My nutrition content > equals those of the more " normal " breakfast. Does anyone know if I am doing > more damage, less damage, or the same? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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