Re: culture is more than art,its picking your nose

[Guest guest]

I know i am starting to sound like a parrot,

but

*again* ,i say " culture " refers to more,much more than the arts,

whether we are talking about nt or other ( eg autistic) culture.

Culture comprises the *entire* pattern of behaviours shared by a group of

people.

Again, i say,as do anthropologists plus others, that culture includes

behaviours and thoughts and feelings and values and priorities,

which could include notably unartful/unartistic and uncultured practices,like

leaving babies out in the snow to die,or mass nose picking day.

It is a an assumption to suppose all culture is either artistic or cultured,or

perhaps even socially based.,though that adds an novel bent(though valid,i

reckon) to the accepted standard meaning of culture.

Id say we autistics are an unsocialised( or anti social if you

must)culture,rather than an " anti culture " ,for above reasons,

and because our culture is not adopted/a hand me down,from others,but is

possibly unique amongst other cultures in its emanating primarily from

idiosycratic internal agents, common to others of our kind..

anna from ozz

Newstead wrote:

Hi,

The only examples I can think of that might legitimize our claim to be a

" culture " are our art, music, and literature. There are plenty of AS

writers, artists, and musicians, whose styles often vary greatly from their

NT counterparts and hint at an autistic sensibility. Other than that, I

don't see us as a " culture " in the usual sense--we're more of an

" anti-culture. "

Re: Guy; Another quest.aut-culture.

> anna wim wrote:

> > The concept of " autistic culture " ,as far as i can determine,has

> always been about the here and now ,identifiable culture we autistics

> share in our overall modus operandi ,

> > so we dont need go looking for " it " ,(as stimulating to ones head

> that they may be),or trying to " create " it.

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> > We are it,!.Now!.

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> Can anyone give me an example of present practised autistic culture?

> I thought that autistic modus operandi was mostly private not social

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[Guest guest]

I am reading an essay by Arendt, I think it's .

She says that culture is only there when you have something - a thing-

that is kept special - like art.

I haven't read her whole thesis...she's supposed to be a big deal...

I can't see how the Bedouin's for example who have no real art that

lasts for multiple generations, (tents, even if they are beautifully

decorated, are used and are replaced)...could have no culture.

I think autistic culture is for now a sense of recognition of shared

experiences and the development of a history with tales and heros etc.

Camille

> > > The concept of " autistic culture " ,as far as i can determine,has

> > always been about the here and now ,identifiable culture we autistics

> > share in our overall modus operandi ,

> > > so we dont need go looking for " it " ,(as stimulating to ones head

> > that they may be),or trying to " create " it.

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> > > We are it,!.Now!.

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> > Can anyone give me an example of present practised autistic culture?

> > I thought that autistic modus operandi was mostly private not social

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> > Anas

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[Guest guest]

I like that, Camillea " sense of recognition of shared experiences "

though i would dare to say the definition of autistic culture

could extend to the internal stuff that actually influences

those common experiences,.

but maybe you are including internal thoughts,

preferences,feelings,values

in the word " experiences " ?

anna from ozz

Camille wrote:

I am reading an essay by Arendt, I think it's .

She says that culture is only there when you have something - a thing-

that is kept special - like art.

I haven't read her whole thesis...she's supposed to be a big deal...

I can't see how the Bedouin's for example who have no real art that

lasts for multiple generations, (tents, even if they are beautifully

decorated, are used and are replaced)...could have no culture.

I think autistic culture is for now a sense of recognition of shared

experiences and the development of a history with tales and heros etc.

Camille

> > > The concept of " autistic culture " ,as far as i can determine,has

> > always been about the here and now ,identifiable culture we autistics

> > share in our overall modus operandi ,

> > > so we dont need go looking for " it " ,(as stimulating to ones head

> > that they may be),or trying to " create " it.

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> > > We are it,!.Now!.

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> > Can anyone give me an example of present practised autistic culture?

> > I thought that autistic modus operandi was mostly private not social

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> > Anas

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I guess I was mainly thinking " experiences " as " feelings " , like it's

hard to tell an NT about stimming and how we feel about it, but even

if I don't have the exact same experience with stimming as you do, I

think we can jump right into a conversation with a car-load of similar

notions about what stimming is, how it affects us, how it affects others.

Like if you grew up on an island in Greece and you met another person

who also did on the same island, even though you maybe never met

before, if you said, " remember the XXX festivals? " the other person

could say " yeah! " and you could together share a thousand aspects of

those festivals without mentioning them. You would share that

culturally, even if your experiences were not the exact same thing.

Camille

> > > > The concept of " autistic culture " ,as far as i can determine,has

> > > always been about the here and now ,identifiable culture we

autistics

> > > share in our overall modus operandi ,

> > > > so we dont need go looking for " it " ,(as stimulating to ones head

> > > that they may be),or trying to " create " it.

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> > > > We are it,!.Now!.

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> > > Can anyone give me an example of present practised autistic culture?

> > > I thought that autistic modus operandi was mostly private not social

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