Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Annette -Why in the ancient myths of Ishtar and Tammuz and later Isis and Osiris, are the females going to retrieve the souls of the males? ao - The long search for the dismembered body parts of Osiris, cut up by the evil Set, resulted in her finding all but the most important part - his phallos. This was restored by Ra, Egypt Creator Sun god, in golden form by which Horus was conceived. Motif: Virgin birth - Father Spirit gives Life; Mother Isis gives form. All avatars have 'virgin births' by tradition to honor the need for yang/yin to fit w/in the circle of Spirit. The trinity. 1. The archetypal motif of these myths originate in the Age of Cancer, the Mother Goddess.......prehistory. This was the uroboric phase. Age of Gemini, statues involve MG holding birds, II, which can separate fr Mother, as do our thoughts, consciousness. 2. It is the archetypal process of the feminine - just so- as Jung wld say. In almost EVERY culture Wisdom is personified by a feminine goddess.[see my list in THE DOVE IN THE STONE.] Today we talk of Hagia Sophia, Holy Wisdom - Ruach.. 3.The process of 'mother' is to give form to life.Mother Nature. Where wld the Creative Spirit be w/out the manifesting power of the feminine? N mothers can produce sons n daughters. {I marveled at that wh my son was born w/all the attachments!} 4. Life on earth began in water. Life for the embryo begins in the amniotic fluid. 5.The Moon rules Cancer, 1st water sign.. It waxes/wanes; tides; menstrual cycles. 9 months'gestation, 3x3. Think 9 Muses, 9 Valkieries, Odin's hanging on tree.........the etymology of mind, mental, goes back to mens, month, moonth. Maat was a wisdom goddess. It helps to have a Dict of symbols. 6. Moon rules breasts [nourish], stomach [transforms], womb [manifests.] 7.Aries - 1st fire sign - Easter to Cusp of Capricorn, 3rd Earth sign, Christmas -incarnation in Christian terms = 9 months. In embrology we recapituate evolution. At cert early stages human n animal teensy embryos are almost identical or so I have read. 8. The sun is reborn, 'Christ is the Light that lighteth everyman [n.b. not just Christians!]. This archetypal motif goes way back to pagan times - the message is profound because it is built into the hologram of our solar system. We are becoming such techies n indoor people that we ignore the greater majesty of the solar system. "Heaven is spread upon the earth but men do not see it." Gospel acc to . 9. Your ? Annette is a very enlightening one - Wisdom connects the ego [who we think we are] w/our Divine Guest, Self, atman, Kether - the mystery of who we really are. She goes by a myriad diff names - Brid, Tara, Kwan Yin, Spiderwoman et al - she can go anywher from the depths of the dismembered in filth n heal by helping all of us to RE -MEMBER [sic] who we really are. Kali, the one w/all those arms, n cn be seen as scary has one hand up saying don't take this too seriously. ----------------------------------------- Today, I am given more insight on this question: Bohm, the theoretical physicist, demonstrated a physical proof of his explicate/implicate theory at a lect I attended. He had a glass barrel of some milky substance. When he rotated it in one direction blue blobs coalesced spotting the white. This was explicate. Then he rotat in the other direct n the blobs all vanished. Implicate. Applying that to my diagram of circle w.centerpt, the explicate or centrifugal energy = yang, masc, n goes outward into the diversity of the circumference ergo dismembering it into diversity or the 10,000 things.. The way back is implicate, centripetal, feminine, leading back to unity! Shakti, Shekinah, Sophia, Tara et al. Dante's Beatrice leads back to Paradise. Goethe's 'Faust' ends with "Das ewig Weibliche zieht uns hinauf." The eternal feminine draws us upward. This may be too abstract but for me it is very profound. The archetype of Holy Wisdom dwells as the highest expression of the feminine, My teacher told us that there is a borderline beyond which what we call 'evil' cannot pass. There the feminine/masc are in the mysterium coniunctionis. This is symbolized by the caduceus w/2 serpents that are on the wand that Hermes carries. This is topped w/a dove or wings..........Sophia's symbol in the Church to this day. N today Mercury is delivering FLOWERS! I watched a mass on TV the other day n was struck by the unveiling of the monstrance at the end: a white circle surrounded by straight n wavy rays of gold. Aha! With all the buzzword of 'de-coding' today, can u see what delight there can be in finding so much hidden in the obvious! Dum-de-dum-dum..........?! which is what I wld hint wh teaching kids, so that they might have an attack of insight, n what I say to myself all the time. Annette, I am curious if these ideas are expressed by Kabbalah - I suspect they are. In the body, it is the level above the diaphram or heart chakra that a shift occurs, but the FORCE comes from below. Swami Rama said Freud's was the psychology of the first 2 chakras; Adler's of Muladhara - power; n Jung of the heart on up.......n they all were right at their level. Phew! love ao.... .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 And then, I had such an interesting series of dreams last night, dreams that stopped and started several times because it was such windy night but kept coming back, as if I had to finish the task assigned in the dream.The task was to hide a group of circles with center points. They were all different sizes, some as large as a trash can lid, others the size of tiny flowers. When I had them in my hands they had a certain amount of weight and I could see them, but once they were in place, they disappeared entirely. As soon as I put one in place I had another to hide.I hid the first one in a tree, sliding it into the trunk horizontally so it was hidden in the tree rings, another on the trash can lid where it just blended in, several on pins people were wearing, some on different flowers in a garden, one on a quarter that I put into a pay phone, and more that I can't remember. It seemed like a very important job when I was doing it, and I was never surprised to find that the dream picked up where it left off after the wind woke me up, though I was aware that that was happening. That dream was surely one of Sophia's winks! Evbody just think of how many things we value are circular - even mirrors! Aha! lauhing n tired love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Wonderful! I had to print this out to keep it, because it's so complete. > Bohm, the theoretical physicist, demonstrated a physical > proof of his explicate/implicate theory at a lect I attended. He > had a glass barrel of some milky substance. When he rotated it in > one direction blue blobs coalesced spotting the white. This was > explicate. Then he rotat in the other direct n the blobs all > vanished. Implicate. > > Applying that to my diagram of circle w.centerpt, the explicate or > centrifugal energy = yang, masc, n goes outward into the diversity > of the circumference ergo dismembering it into diversity or the > 10,000 things.. > This struck me in particular for two reasons - it reminded me that I saw Bohm do that too, during a lecture at Syracuse University many years ago. I had forgotten. And then, I had such an interesting series of dreams last night, dreams that stopped and started several times because it was such windy night but kept coming back, as if I had to finish the task assigned in the dream. The task was to hide a group of circles with center points. They were all different sizes, some as large as a trash can lid, others the size of tiny flowers. When I had them in my hands they had a certain amount of weight and I could see them, but once they were in place, they disappeared entirely. As soon as I put one in place I had another to hide. I hid the first one in a tree, sliding it into the trunk horizontally so it was hidden in the tree rings, another on the trash can lid where it just blended in, several on pins people were wearing, some on different flowers in a garden, one on a quarter that I put into a pay phone, and more that I can't remember. It seemed like a very important job when I was doing it, and I was never surprised to find that the dream picked up where it left off after the wind woke me up, though I was aware that that was happening. Maybe I've been reading too much Alice Howell and I'm getting over- saturated! Eve > Patience, persverance, generosity, meditation, concentration, wisdom - the steps to wisdom in Buddhism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I believe the most intense circle is created by looking into another person’s eyes – being open-minded enough to see the *spark.* Miriam That dream was surely one of Sophia's winks! Evbody just think of how many things we value are circular - even mirrors! Aha! lauhing n tired love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 >I believe the most intense circle is created by looking into another person’s eyes – being open-minded enough to see More synchronicity here than can be expressed. Much love from far off Turkey to all. Thanks for recent posts about Harran. Will wrýte more upon return. But can not do more now....people waitýng in line for computer! Greg _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 At 22:44 28/05/2006, you wrote: >The way back is implicate, centripetal, feminine, leading back to unity! > >Shakti, Shekinah, Sophia, Tara et al. hmm Shakti is the consort of Shiva the one pointed. She is all manifestation, she is the multi faceted universe of the senses. You stretch it a long wy to suggest she leads back to unity The Shiva Sutras show a development from a non dual Godhead to Shiva Shakti and the duality of the material world we live in. Nice thoughts about female unity Pity women always seem to end up fighting with each other in groups while the men get together, cheers Nick Owen also to be found at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wychwood/ and the poet tree: http://www.freewebs.com/poet-tree/wychwoodpoets.htm Why not browse my book of fairy tales: Telling It Like It Is. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0954739000/qid%3D1114526130/sr%3D1-6/re\ f%3Dsr%5F1%5F8%5F6/202-1414987-5523065 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Shakti is the consort of Shiva the one pointed. She is all manifestation, she is the multi faceted universe of the senses.You stretch it a long wy to suggest she leads back to unity Shakti is also the energy of kundalini wh leads the indiv capable of receiving it to the crown chakra n thus to union w/Divine - no? Gd to hear fr u! love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Alice...thank you for this wonderful post. I have been working on a group of paintings of the four elements and Wisdom. I couldn't understand why " water " wanted to be represented by an underwater vortex that was flowing upwards, now it makes sense! love, Carol ----- Original Message ----- > Bohm, the theoretical physicist, demonstrated a physical proof of > his > explicate/implicate theory at a lect I attended. He had a glass barrel of > some > milky substance. When he rotated it in one direction blue blobs coalesced > spotting the white. This was explicate. Then he rotat in the other direct > n the > blobs all vanished. Implicate. > > Applying that to my diagram of circle w.centerpt, the explicate or > centrifugal energy = yang, masc, n goes outward into the diversity of the > circumference ergo dismembering it into diversity or the 10,000 things.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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