Re: Hysteria

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In a message dated 7/5/01 9:22:06 PM, erikj@... writes:

>The last time I

>remember feeling good was before I was vaccinated in the Army. Yes,

>mold knocks me out

That is the key.........contaminated vaccinations...that is the EPIDEMIC

disease induced by a mass chemical event, debilitating the immune system

allowing the viral contaminant to overide and invade the cell structures

further and robbing the body of large amounts of cellular energy, then

depending on your genetic make-up at the time of the toxic assault, this

becomes the determinent of what type of disease process progresses

(fibromyalgia, SLE, multiple myeloma, breast cancer, etc........)

these viral contaminants are CYTOPATHIC (producing pathological changes in

cells) all these viral contaminants need is an opportunity, immune depression

by chemical poisoning, massive mold toxic event etc.. They are waiting for

the weakness and then they move in for the kill, literally and propogate.

see <A HREF= " http://www.ccid.org " >www.ccid.org</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.tetrahedron.org " >www.tetrahedron.org</A>

We are part of a " known " mass contamination that has solidly manifested

itself in physical form, rampant throughout our society able to transmit from

person to person (mother to baby) pet to person and person to pet through the

vaccination lines.............

1. Vaccines are NOT manditory!!!!!!!!!!! (source CDC) and are deadly

2. There are waivers, if they are not available make them get one for you.

3. If anyone tells you otherwise get a lawyer, but do not give in.........

If you want a recommendation to relieve flu, the chinese have an herb called

Ganmaoling or another called Gan Mao Qing that gets rid of flu in less than 8

hours and it cost $1.85. You can also take either of them as a preventative

during flu season.....I tested this on my entire laboratory staff of 35, with

consent of course, because I never got the flu when everyone else had it, two

seasons in a row and no cases of flu...every other deparment were sneezing

and coughing and we were all fine.....the doctors even came down or called to

ask me where to buy it........

If you know of a licensed alternative practitioner who can order them from an

organic chinese herb company in Ca. called Mayway 1 800 262 9929, this would

be beneficial since most of the standard chinese herbs have pesticide

residues, and sulfur and chlorine added to them which I am completely unable

to tolerate. I do not have reactions from Mayway's herbs, but of course

everyone is different, so you would have to try it.

You can be tested for SV-40 (stealth adapted virus) by contacting the Center

for complex infectious diseases at the link above......

Kindest Regards,

Donna R.

P.S. I talk with so many lists, so some of this may be repeated and my brain

has trouble remembering that, so forgive me if I am repeating myself......

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I see by your letter you have never been in any of the armed

forces. In the military VACCINES ARE MANDITORY, you can call all the

lawyers you like. Our soldiers get so sick because the military does

as they please, then denies it later...agent orange....Gulf War

syndrome...ect... The military gives out shots our " Government has

yet to approve. My ex-husband was in the military, they gave him a

choice; you can take the shot or the Artical 15. The military is not

a job you just quit, if you don't show up for work they will come get

you and lock you up.

>

> In a message dated 7/5/01 9:22:06 PM, erikj@t... writes:

>

> >The last time I

> >remember feeling good was before I was vaccinated in the Army.

--- In Sickbuildings@y..., cavegrl1777@...wrote

> That is the key.........contaminated vaccinations...that is the

EPIDEMIC

> disease induced by a mass chemical event, debilitating the immune

system

>

> 1. Vaccines are NOT manditory!!!!!!!!!!! (source CDC) and are deadly

> 2. There are waivers, if they are not available make them get one

for you.

> 3. If anyone tells you otherwise get a lawyer, but do not give

in.........

>

> Kindest Regards,

> Donna R.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

My ex-husband was military and my son

just retired 20 years air force. My son was in the Gulf War and came

home with

problems of tingling in the arms and fing

ers. No the Military isn't going to do

anything about his problem. But some

how some way we should be able to hand

le this mold problem better than the government handled medical problems

from the wars. We must fight this thing

to the grave. I have written letters to

congress, the president the govenor or

my state and I think everyone should do

the same. You know the squeaky wheel

story. Anyway if everyone would do the

same and demand your congressman or

senators to face up to this mold issue

and demand a letter in response to your

e mail. They will not e mail you back

all the time but if you leave your home

address or office address they will re

spond to your questions.

Several years ago I wrote a letter to

President Reagan for a special request

and I got a long distance call from the

pentagon. So it works...And it works

better in numbers...Try it!

Donna C

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In a message dated 7/6/01 8:15:06 AM, bubba@... writes:

>if you don't show up for work they will come get

>you and lock you up.

WOW........what a crazy world.....at the hospital I used to work at, we had

to get PPD injections yearly that were mandatory as well, if you don't take

them you don't have a job

that was 22 years worth and way before I knew about contamination's, it

wasn't a job I wanted to leave, six weeks paid vacations, 12 sick days 4

personal days and time and a half when you worked a holiday plus a paid day

off and a good salary with 80% dental and medical............I have been

disabled from their since Jan 1999 and am on SSD at 44, environmentally

quarantined now.....

[Guest guest]

erikj@... wrote:

" I can't believe I would ever find myself defending a doctor. I've told

my own family to go to hell because they say I'm exaggerating. But

I've gone through all of Alan Ross's statement from An alternate

perspective and other than Canada sucks, I can't find anything I can

disagree with. "

On the contrary, there are many doctors I would defend - starting with my

own internist. At

least when he finally figured out what happened to me, he had the good grace

to apologize and even admit he should have listened more closely. I

accepted his apology and I've forgiven him for his shortcomings. After all,

he's just a human like the rest or us - no better or worse. He is

conditioned - like many of us - to think it isn't really " real " until they

read it in the newspaper, a

magazine or see it on the nightly news. We give other people's opinions and

viewpoints more weight than our own observations and the media a whole lot

more credence than it deserves.

I'd also defend the neurologist who tested me several times - with nerve

conduction studies and bone scans, etc. He admitted he was baffled and

said, " I know something is wrong - but I honestly don't know what it is. "

God bless the people who admit they don't know everything - and double bless

the one's who go a step further and try to learn about what they don't know

instead of using the cop out of " it must be in your head. "

They are the healers - a step above the mere doctor - who make the world a

better place - just by their being in

it. They spend a lot of time listening and are advocates for their

patients - not for their own point of view.

There are also doctors like Johanning, Craner, Brautbar, Marinkovitch and a

lot of others who are experienced in diagnosing and treating health effects

from toxic molds. Just as it isn't easy to be the first one to propose a

bacteria, not stress, causes ulcers - it can't be easy to be some of the

first to focus on the health effects of mold toxins. Not only is this a

complex area that intertwines medicine and toxicology, but like

we've said before, this area of scientific inquiry has become very political

because of the people involved. Try getting money to fund your research

when your research angers or threatens everyone who has the money you need -

government

and industry.

After learning of our long-term exposure to aspergillus, stachy and

penicillum - I decried the fact that we didn't

even have an occupational or environmental medicine doctor in our small

town. An older occ/med doc kindly wrote me a long letter, telling me that

it wouldn't make

much difference one way or the other if I did. He told me that they usually

work for industry and they rarely bite the hand that feeds them and tend to

be cynical as a result of " selling out " so I shouldn't be discouraged if I

found them to be the most opposed to any theory that might possibly put them

in opposition to employers. By demonizing sick or injured workers, they

could rationalize consistently finding for the employer - telling themselves

they were doing the right thing even when overlooking the truth. He also

said that doctors who do a lot of IME's keep busy because they tell the

insurer or company what they want to hear and they never, hardly ever rock

the boat. I understood more clearly how truthful this was when I saw what

Dr. Kerr went through when he investigated and tried to publish the

results of his investigation into " flock " worker's lung disease. Even his

own colleagues castigated him instead of supporting him as he tried to get

his research into the public area.

I have a real problem with anyone who joins a group and in the span of only

a few days goes from posting " ...I would be interested in hearing on how

your doctors made the correlation between PF from mold exposure... " to

saying the " tone of the list is a

bit hysterical " and suggesting we should all read a boilerplate article that

misquotes the research written by a

defense litigation firm for propaganda purposes. Then, to tell us - of all

people - that " the whole thing is being blown out of

proportion to what it really is " takes a lot of frigging gall. How the

heck does he even know what IT really is? After well over a decade, this

issue is finally getting it's day in the public arena and people are

learning on a large scale what the symptoms are and how to protect

themselves and this is " hysteria " being blown out of proportion? Can you

imagine what Bush would have told him if he told her she was

overreacting by vacating the governor's mansion in Austin so they could

remediate the mold problem after developing chronic fatigue? It probably

would have been something along the line of putting his opinions where the

" sun don't shine. " For starters.

Anyone who has evoked " similar responses from other advocate type groups "

as he claims ought to have figured out by now that signing onto a list,

pretending to be interested in learning so people will divulge information

to you, then turning around and shoving it in their face and lecturing and

criticizing them is perhaps, not the best way to make friends and influence

people. You can't learn if you can't listen. Most of us started out as

skeptical as the next person and probably just as gullible. I certainly

know I was because I listened to the management and my doctor over what my

own body was telling me - even when I was coughing up blood. But after

seeing people drop like flies, you didn't need a PhD to figure out there was

a problem.

After years of writing letters to every one responsible only to see them

duck that responsibility while the problem grew worse - it really galls me

to have an outsider say " Obviously you have a political/financial agenda

which you do not wish challenged. I have to keep reminding myself that there

are millions and millions of dollars invested in the mold issue: Doctors,

attorneys, advocates, industrial hygenists, labs, HVAC specialists and

claimants. " Well, EXCUSE me - if we finally have an agenda ourselves after

beating our collective heads against the wall for ages. Contrary to his

opinion that we are money grubbers - most of us on this list will never see

a dime of compensation for our injury and loss - nor are we seeking any. I

personally have lost well over half a million dollars of income I have no

chance of ever recouping - even if a miracle occurred and I was healed

tomorrow. I also lost years - a whole decade in fact, with my children and

husband doing all the things we loved doing because I was too sick to do

them. For a year, my family had to help me to the bathroom - for crying out

loud in the morning - and every time we turned around someone else from my

office was dying or becoming disabled. This group is made up of

articulate, well educated and accomplished people who have read every scrap

of research and information they could get their hands on and the last thing

we need is someone to come in treating us like idiots. What did he

challenge us with but his own opinions - nothing more than words. We cannot

even get the research we need because of a political/financial agenda that

would like us to go away and die quietly. It's bad enough that millions

were stolen from CFIDS research - but what research we have documenting

health effects - at least in this country - is NOT being done by public

health agencies.

Forgive me for going off on a rant - but we've been lied to, trampled on,

disenfranchised and marginalized for far too long. As far as I'm concerned,

when it comes to health effects from toxic mold exposure - either you are

part of the problem or part of the solution. Pure and simple - and for

anyone who thinks this is just hysteria and would like to spin the wheel of

their own lives to risk their livelihood, health and sanity, there's a

vacant house in Dripping Springs, Texas that would welcome a new tenant.

Try it out for a week or two and then, I'll be willing to listen to anything

you have to say.

Barbara