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Hi, " Sam " -

" This is fabulous! " one of the many marte's wanted to say and then

another of 'em remembered how often some of 'em winced at people

speaking -- as some good-natured (but need I mention also, of course

_erudite_) ?jungians? used to put this: " ex cathedra " . [:-( :-)].

In the " here-and-now " of where I sit and when I'm typing these

virtual reality words into a bunch of wires and microchips (there she

goes again ... another of the too-many " marte's " ... on one of her

Verschluggende RANTS!!!???), it's Tuesday, January 10, half-past-

noon; still early in this ?new? year?.

Oldfashioned commonsense (was there ever either one or possibly even

both?) would say I oughta being doing something -- maybe even almost

_anything_ other than sitting where I'm sitting and typing " virtual

reality " words (never mind what those might or might not represent or

suggest [much less empathise to or with other peoples' (or other

species') mirror brain neurons?!}, but this is the where and the how

of this particular marte at this particular moment; _pushing_, a bit,

against time and other Grim Reaper images....

This " New Year(?'s) " has for me been going sort of both slower and

faster than usual -- by which what I guess I mean is that

subjectively I've undertaken what feels like a kind of major step in

defining my own subjective sense of time because of a sort of quiet

and mostly private acknowledgment (few celebrations) of my " quarter-

of-a-century " birthday early last month.

Many thunks about that ( " thoughts and feelings " , for those of all

of " you guys " who like or need to parse the two in the traditions of

some of Jung's published works [*]).

I'm pretty tired this particular Tuesday morning but I'm also full of

(hello Toni and others who've enjoyed this double thread) " Surprise

[d]/ by Joy " !

Partly [the bear-that-wants-to-hibernate " marte " ?! :-)], I kind of

feel I'd love to not have to think or plan or initiate anything

until, say, next April or thereabouts?

But my stern January Capricorn [and all the ghosts of my many Uncle

Calvin relatives and ancestors Toni keeps scolding me about :-

)]? " marte " is sitting here batting at this somewhat shabby computer

keyboard to " fight back " ....

For starters, Sam (and anyone else around this " camp fire " or others

sending smoke signals one to another), to explore starting a new

list. As a kind, maybe, of individual-assembly offshoot? a mitosis?

_Not_ as something competitive to/with any of the existing lists, but

as maybe just a kind of rearrangement among some of us?

Well, it's not yet even midweek of the only second week of this year

[and I'm " celebrating " (??!!) by having, tomorrow morning, my first-

in-several years " Annual Physical " (which: Old Geezers, please note:

Medicare will _NOT_ pay for!)], so this [ " skuza pliz " :-)] overly

garrulous (sp?) rambling post is a preliminary inquiry -- a casting

of fish lines into the waters? -- to see who might have overlapping

interests.

Anyone interested, please write me offlist at

marte@...

And alongside that [of course :-)] Happy New Year [still :-)] to all

the JUNG-FIRE campfire sitters, bookworms, declarers, investigators,

& ... pick your own self-descriptions! :-)

" love and joy " [marte's still unexplained " Ben Shahn " greeting :-)]

>

> Cells That Read Minds

> By SANDRA BLAKESLEE

> On a hot summer day 15 years ago in Parma, Italy, a monkey sat in

a special

> laboratory chair waiting for researchers to return from lunch.

Thin wires had

> been implanted in the region of its brain involved in planning and

carrying

> out movements.

>

>

> Every time the monkey grasped and moved an object, some cells in

that brain

> region would fire, and a monitor would register a sound: brrrrrip,

brrrrrip,

> brrrrrip.

>

>

> A graduate student entered the lab with an ice cream cone in his

hand. The

> monkey stared at him. Then, something amazing happened: when the

student

> raised the cone to his lips, the monitor sounded - brrrrrip,

brrrrrip, brrrrrip -

> even though the monkey had not moved but had simply observed the

student

> grasping the cone and moving it to his mouth.

>

>

> The researchers, led by Giacomo Rizzolatti, a neuroscientist at

the

> University of Parma, had earlier noticed the same strange

phenomenon with peanuts.

> The same brain cells fired when the monkey watched humans or other

monkeys

> bring peanuts to their mouths as when the monkey itself brought a

peanut to its

> mouth.

>

>

> Later, the scientists found cells that fired when the monkey broke

open a

> peanut or heard someone break a peanut. The same thing happened

with bananas,

> raisins and all kinds of other objects.

>

>

> " It took us several years to believe what we were seeing, " Dr.

Rizzolatti

> said in a recent interview. The monkey brain contains a special

class of cells,

> called mirror neurons, that fire when the animal sees or hears an

action and

> when the animal carries out the same action on its own.

>

>

> But if the findings, published in 1996, surprised most scientists,

recent

> research has left them flabbergasted. Humans, it turns out, have

mirror neurons

> that are far smarter, more flexible and more highly evolved than

any of

> those found in monkeys, a fact that scientists say reflects the

evolution of

> humans' sophisticated social abilities.

>

>

> The human brain has multiple mirror neuron systems that specialize

in

> carrying out and understanding not just the actions of others but

their intentions,

> the social meaning of their behavior and their emotions.

>

>

> " We are exquisitely social creatures, " Dr. Rizzolatti said. " Our

survival

> depends on understanding the actions, intentions and emotions of

others. "

>

>

> He continued, " Mirror neurons allow us to grasp the minds of

others not

> through conceptual reasoning but through direct simulation. By

feeling, not by

> thinking. "

>

>

> The discovery is shaking up numerous scientific disciplines,

shifting the

> understanding of culture, empathy, philosophy, language,

imitation, autism and

> psychotherapy.

>

>

> Everyday experiences are also being viewed in a new light. Mirror

neurons

> reveal how children learn, why people respond to certain types of

sports,

> dance, music and art, why watching media violence may be harmful

and why many men

> like pornography.

>

>

> How can a single mirror neuron or system of mirror neurons be so

incredibly

> smart?

>

>

> Most nerve cells in the brain are comparatively pedestrian. Many

specialize

> in detecting ordinary features of the outside world. Some fire

when they

> encounter a horizontal line while others are dedicated to vertical

lines. Others

> detect a single frequency of sound or a direction of movement.

>

>

> Moving to higher levels of the brain, scientists find groups of

neurons that

> detect far more complex features like faces, hands or expressive

body

> language. Still other neurons help the body plan movements and

assume complex

> postures.

>

>

> Mirror neurons make these complex cells look like numbskulls.

Found in

> several areas of the brain - including the premotor cortex, the

posterior parietal

> lobe, the superior temporal sulcus and the insula - they fire in

response to

> chains of actions linked to intentions.

>

>

> Studies show that some mirror neurons fire when a person reaches

for a glass

> or watches someone else reach for a glass; others fire when the

person puts

> the glass down and still others fire when the person reaches for a

toothbrush

> and so on. They respond when someone kicks a ball, sees a ball

being kicked,

> hears a ball being kicked and says or hears the word " kick. "

>

>

> " When you see me perform an action - such as picking up a

baseball - you

> automatically simulate the action in your own brain, " said Dr.

Marco Iacoboni, a

> neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, who

studies

> mirror neurons. " Circuits in your brain, which we do not yet

entirely

> understand, inhibit you from moving while you simulate, " he

said. " But you understand

> my action because you have in your brain a template for that

action based on

> your own movements.

>

>

> " When you see me pull my arm back, as if to throw the ball, you

also have in

> your brain a copy of what I am doing and it helps you understand

my goal.

> Because of mirror neurons, you can read my intentions. You know

what I am going

> to do next. "

>

>

> He continued: " And if you see me choke up, in emotional distress

from

> striking out at home plate, mirror neurons in your brain simulate

my distress. You

> automatically have empathy for me. You know how I feel because you

literally

> feel what I am feeling. "

>

>

> Mirror neurons seem to analyzed scenes and to read minds. If you

see someone

> reach toward a bookshelf and his hand is out of sight, you have

little doubt

> that he is going to pick up a book because your mirror neurons tell

you so.

>

>

> In a study published in March 2005 in Public Library of Science,

Dr.

> Iacoboni and his colleagues reported that mirror neurons could

discern if another

> person who was picking up a cup of tea planned to drink from it or

clear it

> from the table. " Mirror neurons provide a powerful biological

foundation for the

> evolution of culture, " said Greenfield, a psychologist at

the

> U.C.L.A. who studies human development.

>

>

> Until now, scholars have treated culture as fundamentally separate

from

> biology, she said. " But now we see that mirror neurons absorb

culture directly,

> with each generation teaching the next by social sharing, imitation

and

> observation. "

>

>

> Other animals - monkeys, probably apes and possibly elephants,

dolphins and

> dogs - have rudimentary mirror neurons, several mirror neuron

experts said.

> But humans, with their huge working memory, carry out far more

sophisticated

> imitations.

>

>

> Language is based on mirror neurons, according to Arbib, a

> neuroscientist at the University of Southern California. One such

system, found in the

> front of the brain, contains overlapping circuitry for spoken

language and

> sign language.

>

>

> In an article published in Trends in Neuroscience in March 1998,

Dr. Arbib

> described how complex hand gestures and the complex tongue and lip

movements

> used in making sentences use the same machinery. Autism, some

researchers

> believe, may involve broken mirror neurons. A study published in

the Jan. 6 issue

> of Nature Neuroscience by Mirella Dapretto, a neuroscientist at

U.C.L.A.,

> found that while many people with autism can identify an emotional

expression,

> like sadness, on another person's face, or imitate sad looks with

their own

> faces, they do not feel the emotional significance of the imitated

emotion.

> From observing other people, they do not know what it feels like to

be sad,

> angry, disgusted or surprised.

>

>

> Mirror neurons provide clues to how children learn: they kick in

at birth.

> Dr. Meltzoff at the University of Washington has published

studies

> showing that infants a few minutes old will stick out their tongues

at adults

> doing the same thing. More than other primates, human children are

hard-wired

> for imitation, he said, their mirror neurons involved in observing

what others

> do and practicing doing the same things.

>

>

> Still, there is one caveat, Dr. Iacoboni said. Mirror neurons work

best in

> real life, when people are face to face. Virtual reality and videos

are

> shadowy substitutes.

>

>

> Nevertheless, a study in the January 2006 issue of Media

Psychology found

> that when children watched violent television programs, mirror

neurons, as well

> as several brain regions involved in aggression were activated,

increasing

> the probability that the children would behave violently.

>

>

> The ability to share the emotions of others appears to be

intimately linked

> to the functioning of mirror neurons, said Dr. Christian Keysers,

who studies

> the neural basis of empathy at the University of Groningen in the

> Netherlands and who has published several recent articles on the

topic in Neuron.

>

>

> When you see someone touched in a painful way, your own pain areas

are

> activated, he said. When you see a spider crawl up someone's leg,

you feel a

> creepy sensation because your mirror neurons are firing.

>

>

> People who rank high on a scale measuring empathy have

particularly active

> mirror neurons systems, Dr. Keysers said.

>

>

> Social emotions like guilt, shame, pride, embarrassment, disgust

and lust

> are based on a uniquely human mirror neuron system found in a part

of the brain

> called the insula, Dr. Keysers said. In a study not yet published,

he found

> that when people watched a hand go forward to caress someone and

then saw

> another hand push it away rudely, the insula registered the social

pain of

> rejection. Humiliation appears to be mapped in the brain by the

same mechanisms

> that encode real physical pain, he said.

>

>

> Psychotherapists are understandably enthralled by the discovery of

mirror

> neurons, said Dr. Siegel, the director of the Center for

Human

> Development in Los Angeles and the author of " Parenting From the

Inside Out, " because

> they provide a possible neurobiological basis for the

psychological

> mechanisms known as transference and countertransference.

>

>

> In transference, clients " transfer " feelings about important

figures in

> their lives onto a therapist. Similarly, in countertransference, a

therapist's

> reactions to a client are shaped by the therapist's own earlier

relationships.

>

>

> Therapists can use their own mirror system to understand a

client's problems

> and to generate empathy, he said. And they can help clients

understand that

> many of their experiences stem from what other people have said or

done to

> them in the past.

>

>

> Art exploits mirror neurons, said Dr. Vittorio Gallese, a

neuroscientist at

> Parma University. When you see the Baroque sculptor Gian Lorenzo

Bernini's

> hand of divinity grasping marble, you see the hand as if it were

grasping

> flesh, he said. Experiments show that when you read a novel, you

memorize

> positions of objects from the narrator's point of view.

>

>

> Professional athletes and coaches, who often use mental practice

and

> imagery, have long exploited the brain's mirror properties perhaps

without knowing

> their biological basis, Dr. Iacoboni said. Observation directly

improves

> muscle performance via mirror neurons.

>

>

> Similarly, millions of fans who watch their favorite sports on

television

> are hooked by mirror neuron activation. In someone who has never

played a sport

> - say tennis - the mirror neurons involved in running, swaying and

swinging

> the arms will be activated, Dr. Iacoboni said.

>

>

> But in someone who plays tennis, the mirror systems will be highly

activated

> when an overhead smash is observed. Watching a game, that person

will be

> better able to predict what will happen next, he said.

>

>

> In yet another realm, mirror neurons are powerfully activated by

> pornography, several scientists said. For example, when a man

watches another man have

> sexual intercourse with a woman, the observer's mirror neurons

spring into

> action. The vicarious thrill of watching sex, it turns out, is not

so vicarious

> after all.

>

>

> See Photo and Slide Show:

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/science/10mirr.html

>

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