Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Colin Wessels wrote: > Since you are obviously referring to the " God " of the Bible (the > capitalization gives it away), you should also note that eating animals was > not part of the original design. As a matter of fact You are dead wrong. I was referring to the God of creation. An ultimate supreme being who shows up in every culture, in every society and in every race throughout history and throughout mankind. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Griff Sanford wrote: > Do you have proof of the existence of a God? Hint: The Bible is not proof. Yes as a matter of fact I do. It is in every plant that springs up from the earth. It exists in the order of the universe around us. That proof also resides deep within my soul. The sun coming up in the East and setting in the West every day. The fact that sure as night follows day so follows another day. The beauty of nature, the wonders of spring. The fact that there is a universe is proof that there is a God. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 zer92780 wrote: > I'm going > to find a list that is talking about Asperger's. I feel there is a lot to > learn and somewhere there are folks who are discussing AS, a > topic that I need to know more about. Yes, however this is not just a list for talking about that topic. It's a list for autistic people. There is a big difference. Griff -- .... Some use the Bible as if it were a constable's handbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 acsnag@... wrote: > Griff Sanford wrote: > > > >>Do you have proof of the existence of a God? Hint: The Bible is not proof. > > > Yes as a matter of fact I do. It is in every plant that springs up from > the earth. It exists in the order of the universe around us. That proof > also resides deep within my soul. The sun coming up in the East and > setting in the West every day. The fact that sure as night follows day > so follows another day. The beauty of nature, the wonders of spring. The > fact that there is a universe is proof that there is a God. That's not proof. Show me empirical, scientific proof. Griff -- .... Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Isn't the christian god actually named Yawei? I'm pretty sure that " God " isn't the name of the christian god and that it's something that came about with translating the bible from hebrew. CZ Klein wrote: > Colin Wessels wrote: > > >> , >> >> What we were discussion was The God, not many gods. It is customary >> to capitalize when referring to The One. > > > Only if you mean the Judeo-Christian God. The term 'god' without the > uppercase 'G' is a descriptive term, not a proper noun. If you had a > dog named Dog, you would use the uppercase " D " if you used the term as a > proper noun, or with a lowercase " d " is you were referring to " a " dog. > > The Christian god, named God, is not the only monotheistic god in > existence. Allah is also a god, but not God, per se, as God is the god > of the Christians and Jews. > > >> Polytheistic views do exist, probably as many as we have people on >> the planet, since most do not agree on this one. One of the main >> reasons for those views is that to combine all of those >> characteristics in one Being is too complex for some to imagine. > > > The reason I mentioned this was that someone else had said that > something to the effect that there was one god in all religions (and I > use the lower-case 'g' because all gods are not God). > > I don't go in for capitalizing any of the pronouns that refer to the > Christian God. I won't write " He " when referring to him. That would > not be in accordance with English syntax. Typically, that usage is used > to show reverence, and I have none. However, I do capitalize God when > referring specifically to the Judeo-Christian god, since that is his > name (as far as the English version of the Bible is concerned). > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 " Yahweh " is the Hebrew name (in English " Jehovah " ). There are many, depending on your religeo-cultural background and the context of the conversation. All " religions of the book " refer to the same Supreme Being, always capitalized out of respect. Re: Sentient beings > Isn't the christian god actually named Yawei? I'm pretty sure that " God " > isn't the name of the christian god and that it's something that came > about with translating the bible from hebrew. > > CZ > > > Klein wrote: > > > Colin Wessels wrote: > > > > > >> , > >> > >> What we were discussion was The God, not many gods. It is customary > >> to capitalize when referring to The One. > > > > > > Only if you mean the Judeo-Christian God. The term 'god' without the > > uppercase 'G' is a descriptive term, not a proper noun. If you had a > > dog named Dog, you would use the uppercase " D " if you used the term as a > > proper noun, or with a lowercase " d " is you were referring to " a " dog. > > > > The Christian god, named God, is not the only monotheistic god in > > existence. Allah is also a god, but not God, per se, as God is the god > > of the Christians and Jews. > > > > > >> Polytheistic views do exist, probably as many as we have people on > >> the planet, since most do not agree on this one. One of the main > >> reasons for those views is that to combine all of those > >> characteristics in one Being is too complex for some to imagine. > > > > > > The reason I mentioned this was that someone else had said that > > something to the effect that there was one god in all religions (and I > > use the lower-case 'g' because all gods are not God). > > > > I don't go in for capitalizing any of the pronouns that refer to the > > Christian God. I won't write " He " when referring to him. That would > > not be in accordance with English syntax. Typically, that usage is used > > to show reverence, and I have none. However, I do capitalize God when > > referring specifically to the Judeo-Christian god, since that is his > > name (as far as the English version of the Bible is concerned). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 One always should be open-minded enough to expand one's knowledge. The " Flat Earth Society " is funny to us now, but in man's history many people believed absolutely. Not so long ago, many believed that Thimerosal was not at all toxic to infants. Some are still adamant about it, even though our knowledge base has expanded to include the fact that is a neurotoxin. Re: Sentient beings > acsnag@... wrote: > > Griff Sanford wrote: > > > > > > > >>I'm glad I don't live in the world you live in. What a horrible place to > >>live - no proof available. > >> > > > I believe the fact that you are writing here in response to what I write > > is proof that YOU DO live in the very same world as I do. > > > > My reality is just that some things just are and are so powerful that > > the truth simply resides in me and no further proof is required. > > And that reality is the one that leads to believing in a flat earth and > an earth-centered universe, among other huge fallacies. > > Thanks but no thanks. I wouldn't live in that kind of world if you paid me. > > Griff > -- > ... The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are > always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. > Bertrand > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 A well-encapsulated summary. Clearly demonstrates wisdom, often missing from many a worldview. Colin. BTW, would " The Matrix " qualify as collective solipsism? Re: Sentient beings > The problem I have with this kind of discussion is that people are > coming at it from completely different worldviews using completely > different systems of thinking. While I *have* definite beliefs on > some of these matters, I don't generally try to elucidate or prove > them, because I know that, among other reasons, the worldview I am > coming from is not shared by others. There is no way of definitively > proving or disproving solipsism, God, atheism, polytheism, etc, to > others. Especially from within the system people are trying to prove > these things about, and especially from several people who are > effectively speaking different mental languages. Eventually people > have to take *some* things (even most atheists I know tend to believe > or act as if they believe that other people and objects exist, for > instance) on faith, and past that point the success of any argument > depends largely on what things the different people *are* taking on > faith. (Which gets especially hairy when someone eventually decides > that they *don't* take anything on faith, but who tends to take their > *way of reasoning about things* on faith at some level or another, > since there are always alternate explanations for why that way works > than the reason they think it works.) > > So I'm not entirely sure this kind of discussion has a point, unless > people are all willing to come at it from at least *vaguely* the same > mental " language " . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 I think it says a lot about western predujice and arrogance and Muslim's present state of feeling inferior that so many are ignorant of basic knowledge concerning the largest practised religion in the world. Islam is a 'Judeo-Christian' religion as it pertains to the same God and His same prophets with little difference in it's presentation of the traditions. Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the final Prophet of Allah, who unlike His previous prophets was sent to the whole of mankind and not specific nations. Islam is the religion practised by all of His prophets but completed on the advent of His final Prophet. The Quran is the complete unaltered Word of God and not partly as in the case of previous books. Prophet Jesus upon whom be peace will return as a Muslim ie a slave of Allah and follower of Prophet Muhammad and he will vehemently reject the polytheistic and blasphemous claim that he is part of the God-head. 'Allah' is the arabic meaning; The God, as opposed to a god. It is a title chosen by Him as dictated in the final revelation; Quran. The Jews, out of 'respect' erased His names/ titles from their scripts, so Yahweh, Jehovah etc are man made names. Islam, Christianity and Judaism make up the only 3 world monotheistic religions. Anas Ignorance is not bliss and doubt presented with evidence is bloody-mindedness > alfamanda wrote: > > > Actually Allah is the Arabic word for " God. " Arabic-speaking > > Christians use the word " Allah " too. And " God " (capital G) is a term > > I hear used for the monotheistic god of many religions, including > > some decidedly non-Judeo-Christian ones. So while many religions > > will use the word " God " for that religion's particular monotheistic > > god, it's not restricted to two religions. > >Interesting. I did not realize that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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