Re: Reminder!

[Guest guest]

Dear

Alice,

It's funny, I've been thinking over the past couple of days that +

Diogenes = a whole person. Diogenes was more than eccentric - he had a bad

reputation for being rude, uncouth and nasty. He would do things like masturbate

in public, urinate on the sumptuous pillows of the well-off (like Plato), and

gratuitously insult people. I don't have a reference, but Plato is supposed to

have referred to him as a " mad Socrates. " admired Diogenes because he

(D) treated him (A) with dismissive contempt - " don't block my sun. "

In this scenario, A = Puer, D = Senex. Diogenes seems to have been very Senex-y

indeed.

Insofar as sun = wisdom, as in The Republic, Diogenes the mad philosopher tells

the great conqueror, " don't block my wisdom. " But it is questionable to what

degree D is actually wise, insofar as he lacks the A component. He lacks

self-knowledge, and his notorious crankiness bespeaks ucs and unintegrated

inferior spots.

A was not a philosopher, but was tutored by a philosopher and admired

philosophers. A is better able to recognize his missing half than is, D - A

admires D, but it is not clear that D admires A.

Is a crazy philosopher still a philosopher?

regards,

Dan Watkins

>

> I am puzzled by the caption: What wld Jung's Solution be?

>

> This yr " motherator " reminding u that this grp is for an international

> number of people interested in JUNG!! Nowhere in the handicapped prob is Jung

> mentioned n I can just see him rolling up his eyes!

>

> So let's get back to something pertinent to his real solutions........

>

> I am tempted to repeat my latest CREDO because it brings up the lack of

> integrity or respect for the consequences of the lack of it.If Jung's idea

> that the purpose of our lives is the goal of individuation, where does

> integrity fit in?

>

> Think about it.

>

>

> CREDO CXII

> Light in the Day

>

> I can think of two teaching stories that involve light being lit in the

> daytime, and they are poles apart. The first concerns a Sufi saint called

> Rabia who lived in Basra, in Persia (now Iraq), in the late 8th Century. She

> is reputed to have run through the streets carrying a flaming torch in one

> hand and a pitcher of water in the other. When asked about this crazy

> behavior, she cried out, “With this flame I want to burn up heaven and with

this

> water I want to quench the fires of hell so that neither ambition nor fear

> keeps us from loving God for Himself!â€

> The second tale concerns Diogenes of Sinope, the very astute but eccentric

> ancient Greek who lived during the 4th Century BC. He is the one who

> walked the streets of Athens carrying a lit lantern. When challenged for his

> nutty action, he retorted, “Not at all, I am simply looking throughout this

> city for an honest man!â€

> It seems to me, that we should take up a national collection for a statue

> of Diogenes to be fashioned and placed prominently in front of Congress in

> Washington, DC! It could remind not only our government but each of us

> citizens, of every age in life, the importance of honesty and integrity.

> We fail to realize the consequences of our negative actions. The liar and

> the cheat end up trusting no one; the thief swaps stolen goods for the

> constant fear of being caught. Put bluntly, if one can put the question of

“

> morality†aside: virtue is truly only enlightened self-interest!

> This logical approach is the basic notion of karma or cause and effect,

> but we have, over the centuries, put lack of integrity under the concepts of

> sin and guilt and religious ideas of divine wrathful if not human

> punishment. It just seems to me, that a new approach in education might prove

> helpful. That way, we could get on with the spiritual fulfillment of loving

our

> neighbor because he “is thyself†and concentrating on saving our

planetary

> home, the earth, and respecting animals not just as objects for monetary

> greed alone but as the living miracle each one truly is. In some ways

> perhaps, the Internet seems to be pointing in the direction that everybody is

> everybody!

> Lest this seem idealistic nonsense, we could learn from the practical

> pygmies in Africa †" some of them are said to hunt and kill for food, but

offer

> up a prayer for each victim in gratitude and ask that it return to the “

> group soul†from which it came.

> Rupert Sheldrake, scientist and spiritual individual who studied with Bede

> Griffiths in his ashram in India, is the author of Morphic Resonance. I was

> blessed in meeting both at the International Transpersonal Conference in

> Bombay. The basic premise is that when a group of animals reaches a certain

> collective number, it can simultaneously change its behavior as a group.

> This opens a new concept of evolution, and includes us as animals. A popular

> rendition is the story of the Hundredth Monkey. Briefly summarized:

> . The Japanese Macaque is a very intelligent species. It is the

> only animal other than humans and raccoons that is known to wash its food

> before eating it. Researchers studying this species at Koshima island in

> Japan left sweet potatoes out on the beach for them to feed on, then

witnessed

> one female, named Imo (Japanese for yam or potato), taking the food down

> to the sea to wash the sand off it. After a while, others started to copy he

> r behavior. This trait was then passed on from generation to generation,

> until eventually, all except the very oldest members of the troop were

> washing their food and even seasoning their clean food in the sea. She was

> similarly the first observed balling up wheat with air pockets, throwing it

into

> the water, and waiting for it to float back up before picking it up and

> eating it free from dirt

> The story has been disputed, but the idea is sound, and gives us hope that

> if enough human beings wake up to the futility of dishonesty, greed, and

> war, we might yet save our planet. Stay tuned and pray that this can come to

> pass!

> lovingly,

> ao

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