Re: The Isolated Mind vs. Mind in an Intersubjective Context

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Gene, there are some psychoanalysts who talk about the myth of the isolated

mind. Yes ... some.

The philosopher Buber put it this way - being arises in-the-between. He also was known to use the phrase `I and Thou'.I can't believe that neither `I' nor `Thou' had being unto themselves for Buber.Anyone who would use such reverential terms for individuals could not,

within my imagination, denigrate the individuals co-manifesting in-the-betweenas if insignificant unto themselves. 

The intersubjectivist perspective of Stolorow and

Atwood contend our inner experience is embedded in an intersubjective system of

mutual influence with others. I'm a fan of intersubjectivism as per interpersonal interactions.Though for me there IS a major distinction between the semantics underpinning `interpersonal' and `social'.

It's hard to manifest `diffusion of responsibility' in interpersonal situations, for example.And the manipulative slur of `antisocial' is laugable in an interpersonal setting.I've been asserting over the course of a decade or more that, " In a room with two people there are no (statistical) deviates. "

Yet many a sociologist and/or extrovert would just love to inject `social' norms into the interpersonal interactions of any two people who have opted to `isolate' themselves away from the madding crowd and it's `social' norms, mores, and intrusive `culture'.

  The idea of the isolated mind, they say, is a myth.Yet if `being' exists only in-the-between -- for you -- then does mind only existor manifest in-the-between as well?In my family-of-origin I noticed that my mother and sisters seemed to co-manifest

some sort of hive mind phenomenon in which none of them had a mind unto themselves,but somehow all of the subscribed to whatever group grok and collective unconsciousnessthey muddled together.I suppose this personal experience of the hive mind as manifested by familiar women

constituted the potential realized in the form of my response to a line in `As Good as it gets'.When the OCD-afflicted author of woman's romances is presented with the question to the effect of " How do you write women so well?!!! " he responds with, " I think of a man and take away reason and accountability. "

Who did you have in close proximity as you authored your(?) book, Bonnie?Who was holding your hand as you composed this email to which I'm responding?

Would you have us believe that you believe in mind without being emergent from in-the-between when you operate solo?  Or do you operate solo via an otherwise `isolated mind'?Perhaps this is why you `share' your mental models of `being' in this forum?

In an attempt to manifest in-the-between reality otherwise lacking without the validation of others?I curious about this.I wonder how Jung would have responded to a woman on his couch awaiting a` solo mind' to fly through the open window as they co-manifest being in-the-between.

Sincerely,  Gene