Need advice, lumbar hemangiomas

[Guest guest]

Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are in the process of

adopting a baby from China. We were just given a referral of a 7 mo

old girl who presents with red, flat hemangiomas spanning her lower

lumbar region. After doing my research, I have found that this could

very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina bifida occulta. I am

wondering if anyone here knows much more about this. Has this type of

birthmark ever occured without there being a spinal abnormality? Is it

highly likely that this is what she may have? We have requested an

MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in China.

I would appreciate any input you may have.

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

To both 's I do have to disagree with only one thing and that is

that it can be a very very big deal. My daughter has Tethered Cord alone

without SB or SBO or Chiari or anything else. She has been through three

surgeries and she is again symptomatic so we will not have a fourth unless she

has

actual functional deficits. These may or may not be reversible. She will

live wondering if she will be able to continue to walk, to control her bowel

and bladder etc. It has changed our lives dramatically. Would I adopt her

again...Oh my gosh..a million times Yes!! But it can indeed be a very very big

life altering event so one does need to say, can I do that if that is what

happens. Hopefully, even if it is tethered cord, she will be among the many

that have the surgery once and that is the end of it forevermore. When we went

to the hospital to pick up this incredible two day old girl, they showed us

the crook in her butt and said, " She may have bowel and bladder problems " and

my husband said, " We just asked for a baby, not a perfect baby " I think of

that a lot on those days when I hate him (few and far between)...Good luck

and hugs, Randee

In a message dated 1/30/2007 2:58:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mzw4@... writes:

I was born with a lumbar/sacral hemangioma. They had no idea what it

meant. I don't know if there are cases of someone having this type of

birthmark and not having a neural tube defect. I just know that it

is a signature mark for the NTD.

That said, I hope you don't let this deter you from taking this girl

into your lives and loving her. SBO is not that big a deal. No death

sentence. Not like adopting a child with AIDS (which is another

amazingly noble thing to do) and watching that child be sick her

entire life. Many of us didn't even know we had SBO or TCS until we

were adults.

Good luck with the adoption process!

(another !) )

>

> Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are in the process of

> adopting a baby from China. We were just given a referral of a 7 mo

> old girl who presents with red, flat hemangiomas spanning her lower

> lumbar region. After doing my research, I have found that this

could

> very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina bifida occulta. I

am

> wondering if anyone here knows much more about this. Has this type

of

> birthmark ever occured without there being a spinal abnormality? Is

it

> highly likely that this is what she may have? We have requested an

> MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in China.

>

> I would appreciate any input you may have.

>

> Thank you,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was born with a lumbar/sacral hemangioma. They had no idea what it

meant. I don't know if there are cases of someone having this type of

birthmark and not having a neural tube defect. I just know that it

is a signature mark for the NTD.

That said, I hope you don't let this deter you from taking this girl

into your lives and loving her. SBO is not that big a deal. No death

sentence. Not like adopting a child with AIDS (which is another

amazingly noble thing to do) and watching that child be sick her

entire life. Many of us didn't even know we had SBO or TCS until we

were adults.

Good luck with the adoption process!

(another !) )

>

> Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are in the process of

> adopting a baby from China. We were just given a referral of a 7 mo

> old girl who presents with red, flat hemangiomas spanning her lower

> lumbar region. After doing my research, I have found that this

could

> very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina bifida occulta. I

am

> wondering if anyone here knows much more about this. Has this type

of

> birthmark ever occured without there being a spinal abnormality? Is

it

> highly likely that this is what she may have? We have requested an

> MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in China.

>

> I would appreciate any input you may have.

>

> Thank you,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Randee,

I didn't mean to imply that this isn't a major

life-altering thing. I just wanted to say that

adopting a child with SBO or TCS isn't quite the same

as adopting a child with AIDS, and is certainly

nothing to fear.

My entire life has been shaped by the issues caused by

my birth defect, but in the grander scheme of things,

I know that I am a very lucky person and that I am

thankful my mother didn't know what I had when she had

me. When I was born, many children with SB were put

in hospitals and left there by their parents. Kind of

like kids with Down's Syndrome used to be abandoned by

their parents. This disorder shouldn't scare anyone

away from adopting a baby with it. It shouldn't scare

anyone into not loving a child who has it. That's

what I meant by not a big deal. I certainly didn't

mean to imply that there are no major implications to

the disorder. If there weren't, we wouldn't be here,

would we?

I am so sorry if I sounded like I was trying to make

light or diminish what I know people here have gone

through with this. That wasn't my intention at all.

I would argue, though, that no person, with SB or

without, with tethered cord or without, can be certain

of their ability to function normally tomorrow. No

one can look into the future and say that " normal "

people will always be that lucky. I say I'm the far

luckier one because I know what my future might hold,

and every day I live with the ability to walk, to

function, I am more aware of how lucky I am than

" normal " people. That is a gift.

--- Randeejae@... wrote:

>

> To both 's I do have to disagree with

> only one thing and that is

> that it can be a very very big deal. My daughter

> has Tethered Cord alone

> without SB or SBO or Chiari or anything else. She

> has been through three

> surgeries and she is again symptomatic so we will

> not have a fourth unless she has

> actual functional deficits. These may or may not

> be reversible. She will

> live wondering if she will be able to continue to

> walk, to control her bowel

> and bladder etc. It has changed our lives

> dramatically. Would I adopt her

> again...Oh my gosh..a million times Yes!! But it

> can indeed be a very very big

> life altering event so one does need to say, can I

> do that if that is what

> happens. Hopefully, even if it is tethered cord,

> she will be among the many

> that have the surgery once and that is the end of

> it forevermore. When we went

> to the hospital to pick up this incredible two day

> old girl, they showed us

> the crook in her butt and said, " She may have bowel

> and bladder problems " and

> my husband said, " We just asked for a baby, not a

> perfect baby " I think of

> that a lot on those days when I hate him (few and

> far between)...Good luck

> and hugs, Randee

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/30/2007 2:58:58 P.M. Eastern

> Standard Time,

> mzw4@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> I was born with a lumbar/sacral hemangioma. They had

> no idea what it

> meant. I don't know if there are cases of someone

> having this type of

> birthmark and not having a neural tube defect. I

> just know that it

> is a signature mark for the NTD.

>

> That said, I hope you don't let this deter you from

> taking this girl

> into your lives and loving her. SBO is not that big

> a deal. No death

> sentence. Not like adopting a child with AIDS

> (which is another

> amazingly noble thing to do) and watching that child

> be sick her

> entire life. Many of us didn't even know we had SBO

> or TCS until we

> were adults.

>

> Good luck with the adoption process!

>

> (another !) )

>

>

> >

> > Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are

> in the process of

> > adopting a baby from China. We were just given a

> referral of a 7 mo

> > old girl who presents with red, flat hemangiomas

> spanning her lower

> > lumbar region. After doing my research, I have

> found that this

> could

> > very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina

> bifida occulta. I

> am

> > wondering if anyone here knows much more about

> this. Has this type

> of

> > birthmark ever occured without there being a

> spinal abnormality? Is

> it

> > highly likely that this is what she may have? We

> have requested an

> > MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in

> China.

> >

> > I would appreciate any input you may have.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Congratulations on the possible adoption. I have three

children of my own and am so blessed to have been able

to have them. My 10 year old was born with several

markers for a tethered spinal cord in 1996. She had a

deep dimple, skin tag, and very pronounced and swollen

hemangioma. We later found out that the hemaingioma

was covering a lipoma--her diagnosis is

lipomyelomeningocele. Her condition wasn't diagnosed

until she was 7 in 2005. Does the baby have any other

markers? Another one to look for is a hairy patch and

misshapen feet.

From all of our reading and research, I would be very

suspicious of any defect associated with the lower

lumabr region. It could be a sign that there is s

problem, but then again, it may just be a hemangioma.

Wait to see what the MRI tells you. We were very lucky

to have a NS who was able to do Ellie's surgery before

more damage was done. She is a healthy 10 year old who

his very bright, loves to sing and paint, and has many

friends at school. While her bladder issues are

bothersome to her, she is glad it isn't more. WHile

the slowness in her left leg is barely perceptible,

she is aware that she has less ability in sports than

her freinds. (I can say that of myself w/o TSC).

THe fact that ELlie was born this way is just how it

is. She is a blessing in our lives and to the lives

of her siblings, family and friends. I suspect that no

matter what the potential problem with this baby from

China, she will enrich and bless your lives in ways

you cannot even imagine. Good luck!

--- Weaver wrote:

> Randee,

>

> I didn't mean to imply that this isn't a major

> life-altering thing. I just wanted to say that

> adopting a child with SBO or TCS isn't quite the

> same

> as adopting a child with AIDS, and is certainly

> nothing to fear.

>

> My entire life has been shaped by the issues caused

> by

> my birth defect, but in the grander scheme of

> things,

> I know that I am a very lucky person and that I am

> thankful my mother didn't know what I had when she

> had

> me. When I was born, many children with SB were put

> in hospitals and left there by their parents. Kind

> of

> like kids with Down's Syndrome used to be abandoned

> by

> their parents. This disorder shouldn't scare anyone

> away from adopting a baby with it. It shouldn't

> scare

> anyone into not loving a child who has it. That's

> what I meant by not a big deal. I certainly didn't

> mean to imply that there are no major implications

> to

> the disorder. If there weren't, we wouldn't be

> here,

> would we?

>

> I am so sorry if I sounded like I was trying to make

> light or diminish what I know people here have gone

> through with this. That wasn't my intention at all.

>

> I would argue, though, that no person, with SB or

> without, with tethered cord or without, can be

> certain

> of their ability to function normally tomorrow. No

> one can look into the future and say that " normal "

> people will always be that lucky. I say I'm the far

> luckier one because I know what my future might

> hold,

> and every day I live with the ability to walk, to

> function, I am more aware of how lucky I am than

> " normal " people. That is a gift.

>

>

> --- Randeejae@... wrote:

>

> >

> > To both 's I do have to disagree with

> > only one thing and that is

> > that it can be a very very big deal. My daughter

> > has Tethered Cord alone

> > without SB or SBO or Chiari or anything else.

> She

> > has been through three

> > surgeries and she is again symptomatic so we will

> > not have a fourth unless she has

> > actual functional deficits. These may or may not

> > be reversible. She will

> > live wondering if she will be able to continue to

> > walk, to control her bowel

> > and bladder etc. It has changed our lives

> > dramatically. Would I adopt her

> > again...Oh my gosh..a million times Yes!! But it

> > can indeed be a very very big

> > life altering event so one does need to say, can

> I

> > do that if that is what

> > happens. Hopefully, even if it is tethered cord,

> > she will be among the many

> > that have the surgery once and that is the end of

> > it forevermore. When we went

> > to the hospital to pick up this incredible two

> day

> > old girl, they showed us

> > the crook in her butt and said, " She may have

> bowel

> > and bladder problems " and

> > my husband said, " We just asked for a baby, not a

> > perfect baby " I think of

> > that a lot on those days when I hate him (few

> and

> > far between)...Good luck

> > and hugs, Randee

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/30/2007 2:58:58 P.M. Eastern

> > Standard Time,

> > mzw4@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I was born with a lumbar/sacral hemangioma. They

> had

> > no idea what it

> > meant. I don't know if there are cases of someone

> > having this type of

> > birthmark and not having a neural tube defect. I

> > just know that it

> > is a signature mark for the NTD.

> >

> > That said, I hope you don't let this deter you

> from

> > taking this girl

> > into your lives and loving her. SBO is not that

> big

> > a deal. No death

> > sentence. Not like adopting a child with AIDS

> > (which is another

> > amazingly noble thing to do) and watching that

> child

> > be sick her

> > entire life. Many of us didn't even know we had

> SBO

> > or TCS until we

> > were adults.

> >

> > Good luck with the adoption process!

> >

> > (another !) )

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are

> > in the process of

> > > adopting a baby from China. We were just given

> a

> > referral of a 7 mo

> > > old girl who presents with red, flat

> hemangiomas

> > spanning her lower

> > > lumbar region. After doing my research, I have

> > found that this

> > could

> > > very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina

> > bifida occulta. I

> > am

> > > wondering if anyone here knows much more about

> > this. Has this type

> > of

> > > birthmark ever occured without there being a

> > spinal abnormality? Is

> > it

> > > highly likely that this is what she may have?

> We

> > have requested an

> > > MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in

> > China.

> > >

> > > I would appreciate any input you may have.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I just want to add one thing. Till the time you dont know the

baby/child and you know about tsc, you think of the child in terms of

the problem . Once the child grows and you see the child, the

child is much more than the problem. It is just one small aspect (or

sometimes bigger aspect) - like perhaps a left handed person, or

asthmatic person, or peanut allergic person. Everyone has to work

around different issues. My dad had allergies that were unstoppable,

and he always travelled at times when it was least affecting him. But

he is not his allergy :=)

My tsc daughter is 15 months old. She was born to me, not adopted, and

ofcourse, I didnt have a choice. When I first learned about tsc at 4

months I only thought about the tsc. Now, she is such a delight, and

there are times when I think - " if she needs to be cathed at some

point, its still okay. Thats just one small inconvenience " . That's

because I see her as a " person " now.

I guess every parent goes thru that phase of coping and mourning when

they find that something is not " perfect " . My friend agonized when she

found her daughter had her father's nose (very distinct and funny

looking nose). That was imperfection to her. In fact, many times

during her pregnancy, she would say " I hope doesnt have my dad's

nose " .

Also, seeing a 18 month old girl who has leukemia has make me thankful

for my situation. Now I think " Yes, we may have problems, but atleast

none are life threatening, and there are many work arounds " . I am

really thankful for each day. And now I can honour the person within

the package. What she can do is really a lot more than what she cannot do.

That doesnt mean I wont do everything in my power to make her life as

" normal " as possible. I can now just separate the problem from the person.

Sorry for rambling. Its a journey that I recently took, and it is

still very close to heart.

Abby.

> > >

> > > Hi! I am new here. Our situation is that we are

> > in the process of

> > > adopting a baby from China. We were just given a

> > referral of a 7 mo

> > > old girl who presents with red, flat hemangiomas

> > spanning her lower

> > > lumbar region. After doing my research, I have

> > found that this

> > could

> > > very possibly be tethered spinal cord, or spina

> > bifida occulta. I

> > am

> > > wondering if anyone here knows much more about

> > this. Has this type

> > of

> > > birthmark ever occured without there being a

> > spinal abnormality? Is

> > it

> > > highly likely that this is what she may have? We

> > have requested an

> > > MRI, and are hoping they will do one soon in

> > China.

> > >

> > > I would appreciate any input you may have.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well said, Abby. Learning that your child isn't

" perfect " is a scary and heartwrenching thing. But, as

my own children grow, I am constantly learning that

the two " normal " kids are not perfect either! It's

a hard lesson for all parents to see that their kids

make mistakes. That, I think, is the nature of

humanity. We cannot control what happens to us, only

how we respond to it.

It sounds like you are responding to your child's tsc

in such a way that your daughter will grow up knowing

that she is loved and cherished. Many " normal " kids

cannot say that!

My daughter also has tsc and struggles with some

issues, but we are thankful that she is handling them

with so much grace and courage. And I am also able to

say that I did all I could to prevent her tsc, but it

was ultimately not my decision. It is also not my

fault, and I know that all we are doing to help Ellie

have a " normal " life is driven by our love for her as

a person, not by any guilt we may have for her tsc.

I wish you the best in all of your care and treatment

decisions!

Mindy

--- subub_98 wrote:

> I just want to add one thing. Till the time you dont

> know the

> baby/child and you know about tsc, you think of the

> child in terms of

> the problem . Once the child grows and you see

> the child, the

> child is much more than the problem. It is just one

> small aspect (or

> sometimes bigger aspect) - like perhaps a left

> handed person, or

> asthmatic person, or peanut allergic person.

> Everyone has to work

> around different issues. My dad had allergies that

> were unstoppable,

> and he always travelled at times when it was least

> affecting him. But

> he is not his allergy :=)

>

> My tsc daughter is 15 months old. She was born to

> me, not adopted, and

> ofcourse, I didnt have a choice. When I first

> learned about tsc at 4

> months I only thought about the tsc. Now, she is

> such a delight, and

> there are times when I think - " if she needs to be

> cathed at some

> point, its still okay. Thats just one small

> inconvenience " . That's

> because I see her as a " person " now.

>

> I guess every parent goes thru that phase of coping

> and mourning when

> they find that something is not " perfect " . My friend

> agonized when she

> found her daughter had her father's nose (very

> distinct and funny

> looking nose). That was imperfection to her. In

> fact, many times

> during her pregnancy, she would say " I hope

> doesnt have my dad's

> nose " .

>

> Also, seeing a 18 month old girl who has leukemia

> has make me thankful

> for my situation. Now I think " Yes, we may have

> problems, but atleast

> none are life threatening, and there are many work

> arounds " . I am

> really thankful for each day. And now I can honour

> the person within

> the package. What she can do is really a lot more

> than what she cannot do.

>

> That doesnt mean I wont do everything in my power to

> make her life as

> " normal " as possible. I can now just separate the

> problem from the person.

>

> Sorry for rambling. Its a journey that I recently

> took, and it is

> still very close to heart.

>

> Abby.

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > To both 's I do have to disagree

> with

> > > only one thing and that is

> > > that it can be a very very big deal. My

> daughter

> > > has Tethered Cord alone

> > > without SB or SBO or Chiari or anything else.

> She

> > > has been through three

> > > surgeries and she is again symptomatic so we

> will

> > > not have a fourth unless she has

> > > actual functional deficits. These may or may

> not

> > > be reversible. She will

> > > live wondering if she will be able to continue

> to

> > > walk, to control her bowel

> > > and bladder etc. It has changed our lives

> > > dramatically. Would I adopt her

> > > again...Oh my gosh..a million times Yes!! But

> it

> > > can indeed be a very very big

> > > life altering event so one does need to say,

> can I

> > > do that if that is what

> > > happens. Hopefully, even if it is tethered

> cord,

> > > she will be among the many

> > > that have the surgery once and that is the end

> of

> > > it forevermore. When we went

> > > to the hospital to pick up this incredible two

> day

> > > old girl, they showed us

> > > the crook in her butt and said, " She may have

> bowel

> > > and bladder problems " and

> > > my husband said, " We just asked for a baby, not

> a

> > > perfect baby " I think of

> > > that a lot on those days when I hate him (few

> and

> > > far between)...Good luck

> > > and hugs, Randee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/30/2007 2:58:58 P.M.

> Eastern

> > > Standard Time,

> > > mzw4@... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I was born with a lumbar/sacral hemangioma. They

> had

> > > no idea what it

> > > meant. I don't know if there are cases of

> someone

> > > having this type of

> > > birthmark and not having a neural tube defect. I

> > > just know that it

> > > is a signature mark for the NTD.

> > >

> > > That said, I hope you don't let this deter you

> from

> > > taking this girl

> > > into your lives and loving her. SBO is not that

> big

> > > a deal. No death

> > > sentence. Not like adopting a child with AIDS

> > > (which is another

>

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[Guest guest]

Abby,

Thank you so much for sharing your jouney. Everyone (parent, caregiver,

friend, family member, or person with the disability, alike) each has to go

through their own journey of self-discovery.

I know my dad has a much harder time with my paralysis than I do. He thinks

he pushed me into the third surgery (he did not) and so he blames himself

for my paralysis. While it doesn't affect our day-to-day relationship,

every now and then something happens, and a comment will be made or

something is said so that you can still hear the guilt he feels in his heart

(one reason I have always said that any parent who makes the decision to

have surgery and in the event there is a negative outcome, don't blame

yourself == you made the best decision based on the info you had at the

time. Feeling guilty will only affect your relationship down the road, even

if you think your kid doesn't notice it, they will). That being said, I

never understood how it could be harder on family than the actual person

until my dad began having symptoms of a heart attack about two weeks ago and

had to go to the ER via ambulance. He was cool as a cucumber... mom and I

worried sick. Same as the coming weeks -- dad has to have biopsy... and I

just found out his dad died of the same cancer. So, like I said, I now have

a thorough understanding about how it can be worse for family to deal with.

Anyway, there was a show on last night -- Dateline or 20/20 that has Medical

Mysteries, and they were profiling the lobster claw hand/feet syndrome (I'm

not even going to try to spell it). Anyway, it had 2 families and they

interviewed their girls and they described how their parents raised them,

focusing not on thier hands but essentially acting like there was nothing

wrong with them and treating them like normal children and to be proud of

themselves, who they are, their bodies, and of being different -- everybody

is different. Nobody is normal, the difference is just that you can see

ours at first glance --

What was really touching to me was when they asked these two sisters,

and one was fairly young, if they wished they had been born with all their

fingers & toes. These young girls said no b/c they wouldn't be the same

people they had become and they liked the people they were. They said that

their parents had raised them to be very compassionate and accepting of the

differences in people. I was just amazed b/c I know how cruel kids can be

and I don'tknow that I would be that accepting of myself b/c I know when I

was younger, all I wanted was to be " skinnier " like so-and-so, or have

clearer skin or whatever. While I know it is easier to be learn to be

comfortable in your own skin as adult with (or without) a disability, I just

found it amazing that these girls, this young seem to be wise beyond their

years -- comfortable in their " imperfect " skin, while when I was there

age wasn't comfortable in my " perfect " skin and didn't even want to -- I

wanted someone elses.

If you get a chance to see that part of the show, its really neat.

jenn

>

> I just want to add one thing. Till the time you dont know the

> baby/child and you know about tsc, you think of the child in terms of

> the problem . Once the child grows and you see the child, the

> child is much more than the problem. It is just one small aspect (or

> sometimes bigger aspect) - like perhaps a left handed person, or

> asthmatic person, or peanut allergic person. Everyone has to work

> around different issues. My dad had allergies that were unstoppable,

> and he always travelled at times when it was least affecting him. But

> he is not his allergy :=)

>

> My tsc daughter is 15 months old. She was born to me, not adopted, and

> ofcourse, I didnt have a choice. When I first learned about tsc at 4

> months I only thought about the tsc. Now, she is such a delight, and

> there are times when I think - " if she needs to be cathed at some

> point, its still okay. Thats just one small inconvenience " . That's

> because I see her as a " person " now.

>

> I guess every parent goes thru that phase of coping and mourning when

> they find that something is not " perfect " . My friend agonized when she

> found her daughter had her father's nose (very distinct and funny

> looking nose). That was imperfection to her. In fact, many times

> during her pregnancy, she would say " I hope doesnt have my dad's

> nose " .

>

> Also, seeing a 18 month old girl who has leukemia has make me thankful

> for my situation. Now I think " Yes, we may have problems, but atleast

> none are life threatening, and there are many work arounds " . I am

> really thankful for each day. And now I can honour the person within

> the package. What she can do is really a lot more than what she cannot do.

>

> That doesnt mean I wont do everything in my power to make her life as

> " normal " as possible. I can now just separate the problem from the person.

>

> Sorry for rambling. Its a journey that I recently took, and it is

> still very close to heart.

>

> Abby.

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