Re: Re: Not to start a big fight, but...

[Guest guest]

Would worrying that I was going to say something weird or that the person

might think I was weird cause overload? Or just feeling in general like a

loser, like I don't have a life and everyone else has one, and how could

they like me or want to talk to me, or that it must stick out all over me

that I'm a loser without a life? Is it overload causing me to feel like

that during a conversation, or am I getting overloaded with such thoughts,

or what?

I don't have a problem following 2 conversations if I don't have to say

anything, but I do have a problem when I'm talking to someone, say on the

phone, and someone comes up to my desk at work. I tend to just go on with

the phone conversation unless it's one of the bosses, then sometimes I point

to the phone when I really should be saying " just a minute' to the person on

the phone--but I guess it must be through overload that I don't think to say

that? That does seem like another AS trait I should have added to my list

for the doctor!

Norah

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> Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:33:49 -0600

> To: <AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse >

> Subject: Re: Re: Not to start a big fight, but...

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>> What does overload feel like?

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> Metaphor: Drowning in a sea of information.

[Guest guest]

Yes, thoughts/anxiety can cause overload. The brain uses different parts to

do things consciously or unconsciously. With Asperger's Syndrome, it

appears that the brain does more things on a conscious level. It takes

longer for things to become " second nature. " (Kanner Syndrome autists tend

to be less clumsy, from what I've read).

The prime example would be the art of tying one's shoes. I didn't learn how

to tie my shoes until I was about nine. Another possible example could be

the unmodulated or overmodulated manner of talking. The unconscious

processes involved in making words are somewhat lacking, so we either

compensate through conscious effort or we mumble.

When an individual is trying to do many things at once, *and* not look like

an idiot while doing them, overload can easily ensue. I find it difficult

to *walk* when people have made fun of me. The whole normally unconscious

process of " one foot in front of the other " just breaks down, and I become

hyper-conscious of my gait and posture.

[Guest guest]

Kaiden Fox wrote:

> Yes, thoughts/anxiety can cause overload. The brain uses different

> parts to do things consciously or unconsciously. With Asperger's

> Syndrome, it appears that the brain does more things on a conscious

> level. It takes longer for things to become " second nature. "

> (Kanner Syndrome autists tend to be less clumsy, from what I've

> read).

That was one of many things that have been proposed to try to

distinguish AS and autism, but it has proven to be untrue.

Motor-planning and other cerebellar deficits have been identified in

many de facto autistics (in other words, the ones you refer to as

" Kanner syndrome " autists). In fact, in one study that attempted to

distinguish between AS and HFA, 12 of 19 subjects with HFA had gross

motor control deficits. 21 of 21 with AS did, but that was meaningless,

since the test criterion for AS required " clumsiness. " If that false

criterion for AS had been omitted, I am pretty certain that the rate of

gross motor control deficits would have been pretty close to identical.

[Guest guest]

Another odd thing is sensory issues are not even mentioned in the DSM-IV for

Asperger's Syndrome, even though many people diagnosed do have them. I

don't remmeber if they are in the DSM-IV for autism?

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> Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:22:41 -0000

> To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse

> Subject: Re: Not to start a big fight, but...

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> He said something like he didn't have any information on it from his

> studies.

> He never commented on sensory issues, either, which I thought was odd.

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> Camille

[Guest guest]

I haven't studied the psychology of influence that much, but one thing I do

know is that putting emphasis on adjectives makes statements sound more

true. I believe this is due to the use of presuppositions. A

presupposition is whatever must be true in both a sentence and it's

opposite.

For example, " I am incapable of modulating my volume " has the opposite, " I

am not incapable of modulating my volume. " What is true in both cases is

that one's voice has volume. Saying, " I am NEUROLOGICALLY incapable of

modulating my volume, " has an opposite that still includes being incapable

of reducing volume, especially if you place stress on the word

" neurologically. "

It's not necessary at this stage to mention anything about autism. You can

say, " due to apraxia. " Apraxia is why I am (neurologically) incapable of

writing with neat, smoothly-flowing cursive. Apraxia is difficulty with

motor coordination, not due to muscular weakness. Vocal apraxia is common

to autists, from what I've read.

On the other hand, singing or drama lessons may work. Vocal training is

always helpful, and provides a definite advantage when doing customer

service. The more pleasing one's voice, the better the call is going to go,

on average.

Re: Re: Not to start a big fight, but...

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> > The prime example would be the art of tying one's shoes. I didn't learn

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> > to tie my shoes until I was about nine. Another possible example could

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> > the unmodulated or overmodulated manner of talking. The unconscious

> > processes involved in making words are somewhat lacking, so we either

> > compensate through conscious effort or we mumble.

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