Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? Thanks, Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 bill, My endocrinologist told me I can eat any kind of meat, but should not eat more than 7 oz. in one day. this is not much-50 gms of protein. That includes cheese too. an egg is one gram of protein. Would your doc send you to a nutritionist? He/she could help you out there. If you like tofu, tofu has half the protein of meat. for instance, if you are going to eat 3 oz. of meat, you could replace it with 6 oz. of tofu-and there are lots of ways to use tofu. It tastes like whatever you cook it in. such as garlic and little oil. also, there are now soy cheeses available in the grocery. These taste and have the texture of regular cheeses in many flavors. They cook just like regular cheese. I made a quiche with soy cheddar and put a little turkey in in a lot ob chopped broccoli. My husband ate it and loved it-and then I told him what it was made from! He was really surprised. A lower protein diet ?? If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? Thanks, Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 don't exercise before your next kidney test and see what it is. at that point, then decide your next move. I.E relax until you get the next accurate test results and if still high, then look into other options. Regards, A lower protein diet ?? If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? Thanks, Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 good info pat... Regards, A lower protein diet ?? If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? Thanks, Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I do not doubt that lower amounts of protein can reduce the protein clearance load on the kidney. I am concerned on the amount of protein that is best for the individual per day. The last time I looked 28 grams equaled one ounce, so 7 ounces of protein would contain 196 grams of protein. What do you say, and what does the nutritionist say? A gram of protein contains the same number of calories as a gram of carbohydrate, which is 4 calories. If one limits themselves to 7 ounces of protein per day and less than 50 grams of carbs per day, such a diet would contain less than a thousand calories per day and the rest would have to be made up of fat or else the person would after a while weigh only 100 pounds, since it takes 10 calories per pound in order to maintain one's weight. For instance if a person weighs 300 pounds and they only consume 2000 calories per day including carbohydrates, protein and fat, then eventually that person would weigh around 200 pounds. It might take a year or so, but eventually if a person only consumed this number of calories with moderate exercise, then this is the weight they would eventually achieve. What do you say? A lower protein diet ?? > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > Thanks, > > Bill Powers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 , Thanks for your info. The times I have tried tofu I have not really cared for it, but perhaps it has improved since then. Interesting about soy cheeses, never heard of 'em but never looked either. I love cheese and I've kind of stuck with swiss because it has the least sodium of any of the cheeses I've seen, but if the soy cheeses would be even better for me, might switch to that. Still, the tofu though it doesn't " sound " appealing might be worth a try. Ya just never know. Thanks again!!!! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 The nutritionist told me there are 7 grams per ounce. he said I should be on about 60 grams a day. I fill up om vegetables or use tofu. The 60 grams is about 8-9 oz. of protein. Re: A lower protein diet ?? I do not doubt that lower amounts of protein can reduce the protein clearance load on the kidney. I am concerned on the amount of protein that is best for the individual per day. The last time I looked 28 grams equaled one ounce, so 7 ounces of protein would contain 196 grams of protein. What do you say, and what does the nutritionist say? A gram of protein contains the same number of calories as a gram of carbohydrate, which is 4 calories. If one limits themselves to 7 ounces of protein per day and less than 50 grams of carbs per day, such a diet would contain less than a thousand calories per day and the rest would have to be made up of fat or else the person would after a while weigh only 100 pounds, since it takes 10 calories per pound in order to maintain one's weight. For instance if a person weighs 300 pounds and they only consume 2000 calories per day including carbohydrates, protein and fat, then eventually that person would weigh around 200 pounds. It might take a year or so, but eventually if a person only consumed this number of calories with moderate exercise, then this is the weight they would eventually achieve. What do you say? A lower protein diet ?? > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I eat > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I am > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than what > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > Thanks, > > Bill Powers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 You might want to look us some tofu recipes on the internet. The trick is to cook it with the right thing-and be sure and buy the firm type and the softer types fall apart when cooking. Re: A lower protein diet ?? , Thanks for your info. The times I have tried tofu I have not really cared for it, but perhaps it has improved since then. Interesting about soy cheeses, never heard of 'em but never looked either. I love cheese and I've kind of stuck with swiss because it has the least sodium of any of the cheeses I've seen, but if the soy cheeses would be even better for me, might switch to that. Still, the tofu though it doesn't " sound " appealing might be worth a try. Ya just never know. Thanks again!!!! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Consult your weights and measurements , and I advise your nutritionist to do likewise. 28 grams equals one ounce, and it has been that as long as I can remember. I know this quite well since I have worked with many convicted felons and criminals of misdemeanors. If you are found in possession of 27 grams of marijuana, you are convicted of a misdemeanor, which will cause you to be fined a few dollars, If you are found in possession of 28 grams of marijuana, you are convicted of a felony, and you go to jail for several years plus you can lose your right to vote. That one little gram can mean all the difference, believe me. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > eat > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > am > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > what > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Powers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I'm sorry to disagree with you Harry, but there are 7 grams of protein per ounce in meat or fish of any kind. Marijuana is a lighter substance, it will take more volume to make an ounce of marijuana as opposed to an ounce of meat. I looked in Google and found several references to grams per ounce of meat, fish and lentils. Re: A lower protein diet ?? Consult your weights and measurements , and I advise your nutritionist to do likewise. 28 grams equals one ounce, and it has been that as long as I can remember. I know this quite well since I have worked with many convicted felons and criminals of misdemeanors. If you are found in possession of 27 grams of marijuana, you are convicted of a misdemeanor, which will cause you to be fined a few dollars, If you are found in possession of 28 grams of marijuana, you are convicted of a felony, and you go to jail for several years plus you can lose your right to vote. That one little gram can mean all the difference, believe me. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > eat > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > am > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > what > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Powers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 That is interesting. That is also good to know, since I have been calculating a pound of steak as having 16 ounces per pound and one ounce having 28 grams. This means I will have totally recalculate my caloric intake. Do you know if there are also fewer grams of carbohydrates in an ounce of bread or potatoes? This will make my calculations even better. I am loosing weight as I write this message. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > > eat > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > > am > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > > what > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Loosing weight! I lost 10 pounds after Xmas, but am not so lucky to loose any more. I don't know Harry how much protein is found in bread etc. You might want to do a Google search. Re: A lower protein diet ?? That is interesting. That is also good to know, since I have been calculating a pound of steak as having 16 ounces per pound and one ounce having 28 grams. This means I will have totally recalculate my caloric intake. Do you know if there are also fewer grams of carbohydrates in an ounce of bread or potatoes? This will make my calculations even better. I am loosing weight as I write this message. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > > eat > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > > am > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > > what > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I was wondering how many grams of carbohydrates are in an ounce of bread or an ounce of potatoes. I was not concerned about the amount of protein in either of them. I am still concerned about a nutritionist saying there is only 7 grams of protein in an ounce. Even my language master defines an ounce as weighing 28 grams. I know there is a difference in volume of marijuana making an ounce and a hunk of cheese weighing an ounce, but an ounce still weighs 28 grams no matter the size. I know a New York Strip steak that weighs one pound is not 100% protein, since it contains around 10% fat, but still 90% of that steak is still protein. The same could also be said for fish. I do not believe that one ounce of fillet fish, containing no bones contains just 7 grams of protein, even though there is a certain amount of fat in the fish, but the bulk of the edible fish is protein. I am not talking about the percentage of volume here, but talking actual weight. For sure one needs to read the labels, which is supposed to say the number of grams of protein, carbohydrates and fat are contained there within. You said " > > I'm sorry to disagree with you Harry, but there are 7 grams of protein > per > > ounce in meat or fish of any kind. " This makes no sense to me. It would mean that every ounce of fish only contains 25% protein and the same would go for chicken. I am talking about the boneless portion of course. If you throw in all of the bones and all of the fat for a whole carcus of a chicken or a fish, then maybe only then it would constitute a total of 25% protein by weight. I still contend that the edible portion of a chicken or fish for practical purposes contains 28 grams of protein per ounce, or at least this is what it should read. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and > I > > > eat > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? > I > > > am > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat > than > > > what > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I > don't > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Well, Harry I don't know what to tell you, but I looked it up on Google to verify and there were a number of articles that all said the same thing. Re: A lower protein diet ?? I was wondering how many grams of carbohydrates are in an ounce of bread or an ounce of potatoes. I was not concerned about the amount of protein in either of them. I am still concerned about a nutritionist saying there is only 7 grams of protein in an ounce. Even my language master defines an ounce as weighing 28 grams. I know there is a difference in volume of marijuana making an ounce and a hunk of cheese weighing an ounce, but an ounce still weighs 28 grams no matter the size. I know a New York Strip steak that weighs one pound is not 100% protein, since it contains around 10% fat, but still 90% of that steak is still protein. The same could also be said for fish. I do not believe that one ounce of fillet fish, containing no bones contains just 7 grams of protein, even though there is a certain amount of fat in the fish, but the bulk of the edible fish is protein. I am not talking about the percentage of volume here, but talking actual weight. For sure one needs to read the labels, which is supposed to say the number of grams of protein, carbohydrates and fat are contained there within. You said " > > I'm sorry to disagree with you Harry, but there are 7 grams of protein > per > > ounce in meat or fish of any kind. " This makes no sense to me. It would mean that every ounce of fish only contains 25% protein and the same would go for chicken. I am talking about the boneless portion of course. If you throw in all of the bones and all of the fat for a whole carcus of a chicken or a fish, then maybe only then it would constitute a total of 25% protein by weight. I still contend that the edible portion of a chicken or fish for practical purposes contains 28 grams of protein per ounce, or at least this is what it should read. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and > I > > > eat > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? > I > > > am > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat > than > > > what > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I > don't > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I think Pat is correct in this instance harry. Yes, Dr. Baites you have been wrong for the first time ever on list. I have lost faith in you. LOL jk... smile. Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, > and > > I > > > > eat > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > protein? > > I > > > > am > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat > but > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat > > than > > > > what > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I > > don't > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 This is slightly off topic, but Pat and Hary could you help resolve a debate a friend of mine are having. I say a pint is a pound the world round. She gets really upset and said this is not true. What do you think? Rita > I'm sorry to disagree with you Harry, but there are 7 grams of protein per > ounce in meat or fish of any kind. Marijuana is a lighter substance, it > will take more volume to make an ounce of marijuana as opposed to an ounce > of meat. I looked in Google and found several references to grams per ounce > of meat, fish and lentils. > > Re: A lower protein diet ?? > > > Consult your weights and measurements , and I advise your > nutritionist to do likewise. > 28 grams equals one ounce, and it has been that as long as I can remember. > I know this quite well since I have worked with many convicted felons and > criminals of misdemeanors. > If you are found in possession of 27 grams of marijuana, you are convicted > of a misdemeanor, which will cause you to be fined a few dollars, If you > are found in possession of 28 grams of marijuana, you are convicted of a > felony, and you go to jail for several years plus you can lose your right to > vote. > That one little gram can mean all the difference, believe me. > > A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > > eat > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > > am > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > > what > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Heavens To Mergatroid! , Tell Me It Ain't So! The Ancient One... Re: A lower protein diet ?? I think Pat is correct in this instance harry. Yes, Dr. Baites you have been wrong for the first time ever on list. I have lost faith in you. LOL jk... smile. Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > > > > > foods, > and > > I > > > > eat > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > protein? > > I > > > > am > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to > > > > > eat > but > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ > > > > > eat > > than > > > > what > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can > > > > > but I > > don't > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 It is really not true. It depends on what you have a pint of. The standard is a pint of water weighs a pound. For instance a gallon which contains 8 pints weighs 8 pounds, where as a gallon of fuel weighs 7 pounds. This is why oil or gasoline floats on top of water. The fuel is lighter. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, and I > > > eat > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > > > am > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat but > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat than > > > what > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I don't > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I didn't say it. I take it back. Harry was not wrong, he was, well, sleepy? Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > > > > > > foods, > > and > > > I > > > > > eat > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > > protein? > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to > > > > > > > eat > > but > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ > > > > > > > eat > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can > > > > > > but I > > > don't > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I warn you to never believe anything I say unless you know it to be consistent with what you already know or you have done your homework to check it out. I am going to google to do some more homework. How about you? A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried foods, > > and > > > I > > > > > eat > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > > protein? > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to eat > > but > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ eat > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but I > > > don't > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Wild Turkey? I believe a pint of water weighs 1 pound. Milk has a different weight depending on fat content. The Ancient One... Re: A lower protein diet ?? It is really not true. It depends on what you have a pint of. The standard is a pint of water weighs a pound. For instance a gallon which contains 8 pints weighs 8 pounds, where as a gallon of fuel weighs 7 pounds. This is why oil or gasoline floats on top of water. The fuel is lighter. A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > > > > foods, and I > > > eat > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce protein? I > > > am > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to > > > > eat but > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ > > > > eat than > > > what > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but > > > > I don't > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 No doubt it was a data entry error? The Ancient One... Re: A lower protein diet ?? I didn't say it. I take it back. Harry was not wrong, he was, well, sleepy? Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > > > > > > foods, > > and > > > I > > > > > eat > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to > > > > > > reduce > > protein? > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat > > but > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I > > > > > > _can't_ > > > > > > > eat > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can > > > > > > but I > > > don't > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 na, I'll just trust the doc *wink* Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > foods, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > > > protein? > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to > eat > > > but > > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ > eat > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but > I > > > > don't > > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hahaha. BTW Harry we are just kidding ya know. Unfortunately, at oyour your expense. I'll be a good boy now and quit poking fun. Regards, A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > > > > > > > foods, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to > > > > > > > reduce > > > protein? > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > eat > > > but > > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I > > > > > > > _can't_ > > > > > > > > > eat > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can > > > > > > > but I > > > > don't > > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I see where you are getting this " an ounce of fish or chicken only contains 7 grams of protein " stuff. One has to watch out for sham artists even though some of them do give some truth in their pitch, otherwise, they would not win you over. I am not saying a fish or a chicken is the same thing as a human woman, but consider the following quote from Anne web page, where this 7 grams of protein per ounce is touted. Here is the quote: " Body weight may be divided into three types: bones, muscle and fat. In a healthy female of average weight, bones make up 12 percent of total body weight, muscle/lean tissue about 35 percent and body fat about 27 percent. The remaining body weight is skin, connective tissue, tendons, blood, organs and so forth. " According to her presentation above, assuming a chicken is like a woman, only 35% of its weight at most can be considered protein. Well, I do not recommend a person eat the whole volume 7 ounces of chicken including, muscles, bone, fat, skin, organs, connective tissue, and so forth. I highly recommend one stick to eating the lean portions of the beast, whether or not it be chicken, fowl or fish. For instance in my lean New York strip steak weighing 7 ounces, I would bet that at least 6 and almost 6.8 ounces of it is pure protein. So, it probably has a little fat in it, I know, but for practical purposes I still consider my lean steak as containing 7 ounces of protein, which makes much better sense in estimating the protein weight content. As you read below, one can soon see why it is most beneficial for an over weight or a diabetic to build muscle. Muscle burns fat and fat just sits there or stores more of it, if you don't burn off that glucose in your blood stream. Now Anne goes on below to tell us some important factoids about weight and fat so read on below: Body Fat, Weight and Health Body Fat, Weight and Health Body Fat, Abdominal Fat, Body Fat Percentage, How to Measure Body Fat, Visceral Fat Body Fat, Weight and Health Body Fat, Abdominal or Visceral Fat, Body Fat Percentage Best Value Weight Loss Program on the Internet Diet Home - Body Fat Calculators - Anne Diet Program - Join Now - Body Mass Index Body Fat, Weight and Health If you want to lose weight and maintain good health, it's beneficial to understand why body fat is an important factor for weight loss and health. See also Body Fat Calculators Body Weight and Body Fat Body weight may be divided into three types: bones, muscle and fat. In a healthy female of average weight, bones make up 12 percent of total body weight, muscle/lean tissue about 35 percent and body fat about 27 percent. The remaining body weight is skin, connective tissue, tendons, blood, organs and so forth. Body Fat is Lighter Than Muscle by Volume Fat is lighter by volume than lean body tissue. For example, a 'cup' of fat is lighter than a 'cup' of muscle. This explains why increased physical exercise (which builds muscle) may actually cause weight gain rather than weight loss - at least to begin with. Body Fat Requires Fewer Calories Than Muscle Fat is metabolically less active than muscle. Meaning, it needs less calories to sustain it, than muscle. This is why body fat percentage is so important for weight control. The higher your percentage of fat (and the smaller your percentage of muscle) the less calories you need to maintain your weight and therefore the easier it is to gain weight. Body Fat Percentage Body fat is often expressed as our " Body Fat Percentage " or " Body Fat Percent. " Body fat percentage is the amount of body-fat-tissue as a percentage of total body weight. If your total body weight is 160 pounds and you have 32 pounds of fat, your body fat percentage is 20 percent. Body Fat Calculation and Health The higher your percentage of fat above average levels, the higher your health risk for weight-related illness, like heart disease, high blood pressure, gallstones, type 2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, and certain cancers. Body Fat Location, Abdominal Fat and Body Fat Percentage As we can see, the total amount of body fat we have is an important factor in weight control. But where our fat is stored is also important - especially for health. In simple terms, the more fat we have around our middle (abdominal fat, or visceral fat) the worse for our health. Excess abdominal fat has a strong link to " syndrome X, " the deadly quartet of high insulin, high sugar, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure. Even in people who don't have all these problems, excess abdominal fat is associated with high levels of LDL ( " bad " ) cholesterol and low levels of HDL ( " good " ) cholesterol. All in all, abdominal fat is strongly linked to an increased risk of heart disease and stroke and is far more hazardous to health than lower-body fat. Who Develops Excess Abdominal Fat? Generally, men tend to store fat around their middle (apple body shape), while women store fat around their pelvis, thighs and butt (pear body shape). But while gender is the most powerful influence on the distribution of body fat, it's not the only factor - genes and genetics also count. A 1996 study of twins found that hereditary factors are responsible for up to 70 percent of an individual's tendency to accumulate extra weight in the midsection. Age, too, has an effect. Aging is actually responsible for the middle-age spread so common in America. But the effect of age is magnified enormously by the final factor, lack of exercise. A recent study of 427 healthy men between 17 and 90 found that in each decade of adult life, the body fat of sedentary men increased 17 percent and the waist circumference 2 percent; regular exercise, though, reduced fat accumulation to just 3 percent per decade and held the mid-body bulge to just 1 percent per decade. Waist Circumference - Indicator of Body Fat Location A high waist circumference is associated with an increased risk for type 2 diabetes, dyslipidemia, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease CVD in patients with a body mass index (BMI) between 25-34.9. Furthermore, in obese patients with metabolic complications, changes in waist circumference are useful predictors of changes in CVD risk factors. Unhealthy Waist Circumference If you are overweight (BMI 25+), then as a very general rule, an unhealthy waist circumference is above 35 inches (women), or above 40 inches (men). See also How to Calculate Waist-Hip Ratio Healthy Weight Loss Program For the BEST VALUE weight loss diet on the Internet, PACKED with " brilliant " weight A lower protein diet ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I cut out most of the carbs and dont' eat fatty or fried > foods, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > more chicken than beef, what the heck else can I do to reduce > > > protein? > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > looking for things I _can_ eat that I would actually _like_ to > eat > > > but > > > > > > > admittedly I'm at that point where I see more things I _can't_ > eat > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > I _can_. I want to keep my kidneys functioning as best I can but > I > > > > don't > > > > > > > want to stick to cardboard either. Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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