Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I would say always go by the carb grams on the box and do not subtract fiber or anything etc. I am speaking from a diabetics standpoint. It seems, more times than not, what the carb grams say they are on the box/label is the effect it has on the sugar. Gotta keep in mind blood sugar. Most folks carb counting are not diabetics and do it to lose weight adn and subtract fiber and the such from the total grams to get that net grams and that just doesn't fly IMO with diabetics. Regards, Low carb foods I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an article on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on tape next month? According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly misused. The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per serving of 9 carbs. On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol from the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of mystery surrounding these numbers so exercise care. The Ancient One... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 , Let's go over those carbs again. At some point in time I thought I saw on this list that we should consider the " net " carbs. That is, total carbs minus fiber. Now, this does get some confusing because the personon television who was explaining the mislabeling of product content stated that the carbs which you subtract from the total carbs are " not supposed to raise the blood sugar in diabetics because they are processed by a different part of the body - somehow. " Now, I don't think that is exactly what she said but that is what I got out of the television interview. The interview was couched at those who were going on the Atkins Diet and the intent of the article was to show that thee are really no federal standards governing claims about carbs. Hopefully the Consumer Reports will do a little better job of clearing this up. The Ancient One... Re: Low carb foods I would say always go by the carb grams on the box and do not subtract fiber or anything etc. I am speaking from a diabetics standpoint. It seems, more times than not, what the carb grams say they are on the box/label is the effect it has on the sugar. Gotta keep in mind blood sugar. Most folks carb counting are not diabetics and do it to lose weight adn and subtract fiber and the such from the total grams to get that net grams and that just doesn't fly IMO with diabetics. Regards, Low carb foods I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an article on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on tape next month? According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly misused. The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per serving of 9 carbs. On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol from the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of mystery surrounding these numbers so exercise care. The Ancient One... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Well, it is perfectly fine to subtract fiber from carbs since we are the only country who does not do that on the label that I am aware of. However, when it comes to diabetics, it has been my experience that most, not all, do not subtract the fiber. For example, if the label says 9 grams of carbs and 2 fiber, most diabetics count it as 9 carbs and dose insulin for it or accept it as 9 carbs for their total carb count for that meal. While on the other hand , some do subtract the 2 fiber, since it is not digestable, and count it as 7 grams of carbs in the serving. When it comes to diabetes, it really depends on what your meter shows you. YMMV (your milage may vary). For me, I cannot subtract the fiber because it reflects in my blood sugar. In other words, for me and many other diabetics, 9 grams is 9 grams who gives a care about the fiber. However, some diabetics accept it as 7 grams of carbs since their sugars do fine subtracting the fiber. Again it is a YMMV issue. Hope that helps. Regards, Low carb foods > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > article > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > tape next month? > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > misused. > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > serving > of 9 carbs. > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol > from > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > mystery > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > The Ancient One... > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 , The thing which would bother me is the enormous difference between " net " and " total " carbs in this specific cake mix. Total carbs were 25 per serving and net was 9. That is a huge difference and really could sink your poor ship. Although the carbs subtracted for fiber and alcohol sugar are not supposed to do something where do they go? Are they more like the Pizza Effect, eventually they will show up somewhere and you will have to account for them. Now, Crystal is only on oral medication. Glucovance 2 5/500 in the morning and same in the evening plus the one Actos so we don't have to calculate for the Humolog. (when this comes back I will then have the correct spelling I am sure) But in the total daily intake of carbs don't I still have to take the total into consideration? With the current sloppy labeling this could be most interesting. Thanks, the Ancient One.. P.S. Lynda, did you get straight on your book? Re: Low carb foods Well, it is perfectly fine to subtract fiber from carbs since we are the only country who does not do that on the label that I am aware of. However, when it comes to diabetics, it has been my experience that most, not all, do not subtract the fiber. For example, if the label says 9 grams of carbs and 2 fiber, most diabetics count it as 9 carbs and dose insulin for it or accept it as 9 carbs for their total carb count for that meal. While on the other hand , some do subtract the 2 fiber, since it is not digestable, and count it as 7 grams of carbs in the serving. When it comes to diabetes, it really depends on what your meter shows you. YMMV (your milage may vary). For me, I cannot subtract the fiber because it reflects in my blood sugar. In other words, for me and many other diabetics, 9 grams is 9 grams who gives a care about the fiber. However, some diabetics accept it as 7 grams of carbs since their sugars do fine subtracting the fiber. Again it is a YMMV issue. Hope that helps. Regards, Low carb foods > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > article > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > tape next month? > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > misused. > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > serving > of 9 carbs. > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol > from > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > mystery > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > The Ancient One... > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 fiber you do not digest/you poop out smile and alcohol sugar does effect diabetics even though they say it does not. yes, 25 grams is in the cake. That is very deceptive. I'd say stick to the total grams per serving and disregard net grams no matter what the food is. This will be getting silly in the future if this continues with putting net grams on the foods etc. Isn't the FDA in on this or something? I cannot recall. Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > article > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > > tape next month? > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > misused. > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > serving > > of 9 carbs. > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol > > from > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > mystery > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 So far I have been unsuccessful in training my body to just use the net carbs. If I dose insulin based on net carbs, my glucose level runs high. For now I will continue dosing insulin based on the total carbs until my body can learn to just use the net carbs instead of the total carbs. <grin> Low carb foods > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > article > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > tape next month? > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > misused. > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > serving > of 9 carbs. > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol > from > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > mystery > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > The Ancient One... > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 , According to the TV interview this morning carbs are not strictly defined by the FDA. (HMM?) There are, apparently, either no or extremely vague guidelines for this. I think that was the point of the whole interview, everyone is now jumping on the " low carb " bandwagon. Just like the " low Fat " thing not all that long ago. I remember seeing a bag of carrots which touted " No fat " . Asinine! The " No Fat " sign also heralded the salad mix in the produce department. Arby's " low carb " wraps are very good and, according to Arby, they contain 17 carbs per wrap. Have you tried one of the wraps yet? I believe Mc's is also claiming a " low Carb " burger as is Sonic. The one from Sonic bothers me because they say they have " removed " the carbs from their buns. (?) It is in our best interest to do our very best to know what our products actually contain. As I said, hopefully Consumer Reports will do a good job on the carb count. I will go to the web site you sent a long time ago and see what I can find there. The Ancient One... Re: Low carb foods fiber you do not digest/you poop out smile and alcohol sugar does effect diabetics even though they say it does not. yes, 25 grams is in the cake. That is very deceptive. I'd say stick to the total grams per serving and disregard net grams no matter what the food is. This will be getting silly in the future if this continues with putting net grams on the foods etc. Isn't the FDA in on this or something? I cannot recall. Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > article > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > > tape next month? > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > misused. > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > serving > > of 9 carbs. > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > alcohol from > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > mystery > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hi, I also heard that the carb count on a package is not always on target. It's a guestament. That is why some people count carbs and have unexplainable high's or lows. I don't know that this is totally true. I am doing some research on this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Yes, these " no carb " hambergers can definately be a puzzle -if they are still using bread. A number of fast food places are now making the " bunless " burger-making it with lettuce as the wrap. I have tried one and it was extremely messy! (But good!) Re: Low carb foods fiber you do not digest/you poop out smile and alcohol sugar does effect diabetics even though they say it does not. yes, 25 grams is in the cake. That is very deceptive. I'd say stick to the total grams per serving and disregard net grams no matter what the food is. This will be getting silly in the future if this continues with putting net grams on the foods etc. Isn't the FDA in on this or something? I cannot recall. Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > article > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > > tape next month? > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > misused. > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > serving > > of 9 carbs. > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > alcohol from > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > mystery > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 it is a somewhat good estimate, correct, but it has to be within a certain margin. I cannot recall but I think it could be a slight percentage it can be off. However, it is good enough to carb count and dose humalog with. Regards, Re: Low carb foods > Hi, I also heard that the carb count on a package is not always on target. > It's a guestament. That is why some people count carbs and have > unexplainable high's or lows. I don't know that this is totally true. I am > doing some research on this topic. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 The Arby's wrap was wrapped in what appeared to be an extremely thin tortilla type thing. We also looked at some pocket type bread. We found one which had 18 carbs but this would include enough coverage for two pieces of bread. (hmm, did that make sense?) Well, two slices of bread or one hamburger bun is about 30 grams of carbs. This would be 18 carbs for the same sandwich. Not great but better than 40. The Ancient One... Re: Low carb foods fiber you do not digest/you poop out smile and alcohol sugar does effect diabetics even though they say it does not. yes, 25 grams is in the cake. That is very deceptive. I'd say stick to the total grams per serving and disregard net grams no matter what the food is. This will be getting silly in the future if this continues with putting net grams on the foods etc. Isn't the FDA in on this or something? I cannot recall. Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > article > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > > tape next month? > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > misused. > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > serving > > of 9 carbs. > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > alcohol from > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > mystery > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 there are low carb breads out there that are affordable and are great.... check at wallmart. Cannot recall the name but 6 grams per slice something farms or some such thing. Man, I posted this a month or so ago. Well, you can go to wallmart and look over the breads adn and read the labels... the one I am talking about had 6 grams per slice so the tortilla for 18 grams isn't bad since that is only 9 grams per slice so *pat pat* good boy. smile. Hey check out " le carb " ice cream at wallmart too. it is low carb ice cream made with splenda has only like 6 grams in 1/2 cup as compared to 18 grams in 1/2 cup regular and they taste great for real. I'm not kidding... they are good! Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > > article > > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version > on > > > tape next month? > > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > > misused. > > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > > serving > > > of 9 carbs. > > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total > carbs > > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > > alcohol from > > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > > mystery > > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 , This is too funny because Crystal works at a Wal-Mart Super Center and has not spotted the bread yet. We have an ice cream/hamburger place called Braums. It is a fairly large company with about 300 stores. Anyway, they have an ice cream with 3 grams of carbs per 1/2 cup serving but I don't think it is made with Splenda. Thanks for the info and I will tell Crystal that the Blind Man strikes again. When the sighted menagerie around here can't find things I usually can and cheerfully point out that the Blind Man found it. Not too long ago one of my scatter brain teens could not find her school work and was in a panicked. As luck would have it I had heard her toss it down behind the couch the night before so I just went to the couch, reached over the back and retrieved it. When I handed it to her she just said " I know, the Blind Man strikes again! " Take care my friend. The Ancient One... Re: Low carb foods there are low carb breads out there that are affordable and are great.... check at wallmart. Cannot recall the name but 6 grams per slice something farms or some such thing. Man, I posted this a month or so ago. Well, you can go to wallmart and look over the breads adn and read the labels... the one I am talking about had 6 grams per slice so the tortilla for 18 grams isn't bad since that is only 9 grams per slice so *pat pat* good boy. smile. Hey check out " le carb " ice cream at wallmart too. it is low carb ice cream made with splenda has only like 6 grams in 1/2 cup as compared to 18 grams in 1/2 cup regular and they taste great for real. I'm not kidding... they are good! Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > > article > > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's > > > version > on > > > tape next month? > > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > > misused. > > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > > serving > > > of 9 carbs. > > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total > carbs > > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > > alcohol from > > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > > mystery > > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 ha-ha-ha! Cy, that's funny. My husband, who is partially sighted always tells me I am not blind as I find more thathings than he does! Re: Low carb foods there are low carb breads out there that are affordable and are great.... check at wallmart. Cannot recall the name but 6 grams per slice something farms or some such thing. Man, I posted this a month or so ago. Well, you can go to wallmart and look over the breads adn and read the labels... the one I am talking about had 6 grams per slice so the tortilla for 18 grams isn't bad since that is only 9 grams per slice so *pat pat* good boy. smile. Hey check out " le carb " ice cream at wallmart too. it is low carb ice cream made with splenda has only like 6 grams in 1/2 cup as compared to 18 grams in 1/2 cup regular and they taste great for real. I'm not kidding... they are good! Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > > article > > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's > > > version > on > > > tape next month? > > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > > misused. > > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > > serving > > > of 9 carbs. > > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total > carbs > > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > > alcohol from > > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > > mystery > > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 ya, and I always find my *sighted* wife's hidden oreo cookies. Oh wait, did I just say that? smile. Regards, Low carb foods > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an > > > > article > > > > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's > > > > version > > on > > > > tape next month? > > > > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly > > > > misused. > > > > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per > > > > serving > > > > of 9 carbs. > > > > On the back label containing nutritional information the total > > carbs > > > > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar > > > > alcohol from > > > > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of > > > > mystery > > > > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Cy I just could not agree with you more. If you want to low carb, then diligence is up to us. I determined to go back to truly serious dieting. I have re started the induction phase of Atkins. 20 carbs a day. However, thanks to Pat, this time I will watch portions! Rita > I understand that this month's Consumer Reports will contain an article > on " low " carb foods. We will, hopefully, get this month's version on > tape next month? > According to the news item the term " low carb " is being grossly misused. > The example was a cake mix which claimed a net carb content per serving > of 9 carbs. > On the back label containing nutritional information the total carbs > were 25 per serving. They have deducted the fiber and sugar alcohol from > the total carbs for you. Folks, I think there is still a lot of mystery > surrounding these numbers so exercise care. > The Ancient One... > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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