Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Had an insight that belongs with my last post on this topic: The reason why dealing with the insurance stuff puts me into frustration slough so quickly is that it is the opposite of " the way humans should communicate with one another. " It is complicated and opaque (too much hidden " between the lines " or in " sub-text " where it is inivisible to me), contains too much rote " emotion " (on their part: caring and concern, which is not matched by the clarity and straightforwardness that would be real compassion), and reminds me too forcefully of what a " game " insurance is. In other words, it's a concentrated dose of NT-world aspects that I find irritating in the extreme and for which I have a very low tolerance. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 HI Facy, I've had the same thoughts about your Work. You patiently do it over and over on the same basic issue. You come to the same results each time and it seems at least from here that nothing changes. When you do the Work and get results that tell you there is no problem with your life as you now live it and that you can't know it would be better if started having sex constantly with the woman of your dreams, do you BELIEVE and accept the results and act on those results? Do you believe that what comes out of your Work is true? That it is your current reality? If not, nothing will change. By now, when you see a woman and feel you want to meet her, I would think you would have some thoughts based on the outcomes of your Work. For example, I'm busy and don't need to meet her...I might not like her if I met her...I'll start a conversation but have no expectations this will lead to us jumping into bed. Or you might meet someone online and not immediately push to meet her in person. ly, I get the sense that you are very intense and that you may frighten women off by " coming on too strong or too fast. " Those are just my interpretations based on what I've read from you and based on my own beliefs. I could be completely wrong. Vivian frustration i have lots of emotional issues regarding loneliness and my 'special' and 'unsocial' life. everytime i do the work on a statement.. it basically shows me im wrong.. and that everything is fine the way it is. and then nothing changes.. and soon enough the same thoughts and desperation returns. im doing the work over and over on the same thoughts. and again and again it shows me there's no real problem to solve, and that it is only a state of mind.. which i understand at the time. what do i need to change? -my financial state. -my social life.. or more accurate the lack of. -the fact that im 24-7 hours a day infront of the computer, that is where i feel the safest. -the fact that im afraid of people and girls -the fact that i can never afford myself to travel or do fun stuff. it says.. dont change your life, change your mind. and i do investigations over and over.. and its a pit with no end. and at the end of all comes the despare, where ironically this is where the suffering ends. this is where i no longer care, and im done with it all.. and then i discover silence in it, and great power.. i no longer care.. and im free. but until i get to that point of desperation there is great suffering, and i lose that desperation point very quickly. i wish i could stay there. anyway thats it .. needed to share. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 > I've had the same thoughts about your Work. You patiently do it >over and over on the same basic issue. You come to the same results >each time and it seems at least from here that nothing changes. When >you do the Work and get results that tell you there is no problem >with your life as you now live it and that you can't know it would >be better if started having sex constantly with the woman of your >dreams, do you BELIEVE and accept the results and act on those >results? Do you believe that what comes out of your Work is true? >That it is your current reality? If not, nothing will change. what do you mean? if i think my life would be better if i had sex with the women of my dreams, and then i do the work on that.. and it shows me that not nessecerally, so what do i have to act on exactly? the fact that it's not nessecerally true that my life would be better if i had sex with the women of my dreams? please clarify your question. and usually i do believe and see 'the light' from a work, it's just that one or two days after its all forgotten. > > By now, when you see a woman and feel you want to meet her, I would >think you would have some thoughts based on the outcomes of your >Work. For example, I'm busy and don't need to meet her...I might not >like her if I met her...I'll start a conversation but have no >expectations this will lead to us jumping into bed. Or you might >meet someone online and not immediately push to meet her in person. yea i would think that too. i wish id be different already, i wish i would get rid of this craziness inside of me. i find myself drag around because of beauty of women, i need to fill my car with gas, but on the other direction i see a beautiful women, so i give up the gas thing only to drive near her to get a closer look ... shes amazing.. i do nothing .. i have no gas .. thats it. > > ly, I get the sense that you are very intense and that you may >frighten women off by " coming on too strong or too fast. " maybe, not something i can control, i guess as long as i will feel threatened and inferior to them it will be this way. > > Those are just my interpretations based on what I've read from you >and based on my own beliefs. I could be completely wrong. u'r not, ofcours. > > Vivian > frustration > > > i have lots of emotional issues regarding loneliness and my 'special' > and 'unsocial' life. > everytime i do the work on a statement.. it basically shows me im > wrong.. and that everything is fine the way it is. > and then nothing changes.. and soon enough the same thoughts and > desperation returns. > im doing the work over and over on the same thoughts. > and again and again it shows me there's no real problem to solve, and > that it is only a state of mind.. which i understand at the time. > what do i need to change? > -my financial state. > -my social life.. or more accurate the lack of. > -the fact that im 24-7 hours a day infront of the computer, that is > where i feel the safest. > -the fact that im afraid of people and girls > -the fact that i can never afford myself to travel or do fun stuff. > > it says.. dont change your life, change your mind. > and i do investigations over and over.. and its a pit with no end. > and at the end of all comes the despare, where ironically this is > where the suffering ends. > this is where i no longer care, and im done with it all.. and then i > discover silence in it, and great power.. i no longer care.. and im free. > but until i get to that point of desperation there is great suffering, > and i lose that desperation point very quickly. i wish i could stay there. > anyway thats it .. needed to share. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Facy, If I believed the following statements, I would inquire them: - i wish i'd be different already - i wish i would get rid of this craziness inside of me Why get rid of the craziness when you can make friends with it instead? with thanks, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 thanks for the clarification. Vivian frustration > > > > > > i have lots of emotional issues regarding loneliness and my 'special' > > and 'unsocial' life. > > everytime i do the work on a statement.. it basically shows me im > > wrong.. and that everything is fine the way it is. > > and then nothing changes.. and soon enough the same thoughts and > > desperation returns. > > im doing the work over and over on the same thoughts. > > and again and again it shows me there's no real problem to solve, and > > that it is only a state of mind.. which i understand at the time. > > what do i need to change? > > -my financial state. > > -my social life.. or more accurate the lack of. > > -the fact that im 24-7 hours a day infront of the computer, that is > > where i feel the safest. > > -the fact that im afraid of people and girls > > -the fact that i can never afford myself to travel or do fun stuff. > > > > it says.. dont change your life, change your mind. > > and i do investigations over and over.. and its a pit with no end. > > and at the end of all comes the despare, where ironically this is > > where the suffering ends. > > this is where i no longer care, and im done with it all.. and then i > > discover silence in it, and great power.. i no longer care.. and > im free. > > but until i get to that point of desperation there is great suffering, > > and i lose that desperation point very quickly. i wish i could > stay there. > > anyway thats it .. needed to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: > 10/6/2008 5:37 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Facy, In my experience, ego loves to want to try and get somewhere whether that's more money, a partner or, in the case of the work, to feel a certain way. " I want to feel at ease next to them " - this could be inquired into - are you sure? is this reality? what would it be like to accept (even feel at ease) with how you feel around certain girls - to be OK with it? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Facy - if you don't see women as sex objects, you may well be the only man that doesn't - you can't find that in yourself ever? :-) (Hell, I doubt there's a woman that hasn't seen themself or another woman as a sex object - positively or negatively) And it doesn't mean you (I) only see women as sex objects :-) Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 manipulataive .. thats very true.. my husband had my cell phone number changed.. he worried i would buy books.. guy was calling me all the time. and two of them showed up at my house.. to talk to him.. i said are you guys getting like the mormons now. They all had a great conversation but im not giving them my new number.. But i do think what is there sounds accurate.. WE do have thoughts and feelings out of the blue.. and i think engrams explains how that can occur. its in our subconscious or reactive mind.. we didnt chose those thoughts.. but they come up. Could be stuff we picked up in utero. i find it interesting thats all.. sceintology has not been my path either.. I have taken problems of work the extension course.. Im still not working full time.. but it was interesting. roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , " facy102 " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Act on, for example, not seeing every attractive woman as a sex > > > >object. Act on every pleasant conversation not leading directly to > > > >someone becoming your girlfriend. > > > > > > > > > so by " act " you mean " not seeing this and this.. as that and that.. " > > > that is some action! i wish i could actually act this. > > > but i dont control the way i view them (yet).. it's just the way i > > > view them.. and believe me im going though incredible links in order > > > to change the way i view them. > > > there's nothing i want more than to feel as ease next to them. > > > and just for clarification, i dont view girls as sex objects at all, > > > thats not it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivian > > > > frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have lots of emotional issues regarding loneliness and my > > > 'special' > > > > > and 'unsocial' life. > > > > > everytime i do the work on a statement.. it basically shows > me im > > > > > wrong.. and that everything is fine the way it is. > > > > > and then nothing changes.. and soon enough the same thoughts and > > > > > desperation returns. > > > > > im doing the work over and over on the same thoughts. > > > > > and again and again it shows me there's no real problem to > > > solve, and > > > > > that it is only a state of mind.. which i understand at the > time. > > > > > what do i need to change? > > > > > -my financial state. > > > > > -my social life.. or more accurate the lack of. > > > > > -the fact that im 24-7 hours a day infront of the computer, > > that is > > > > > where i feel the safest. > > > > > -the fact that im afraid of people and girls > > > > > -the fact that i can never afford myself to travel or do fun > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > it says.. dont change your life, change your mind. > > > > > and i do investigations over and over.. and its a pit with > no end. > > > > > and at the end of all comes the despare, where ironically > this is > > > > > where the suffering ends. > > > > > this is where i no longer care, and im done with it all.. and > > then i > > > > > discover silence in it, and great power.. i no longer care.. and > > > > im free. > > > > > but until i get to that point of desperation there is great > > > suffering, > > > > > and i lose that desperation point very quickly. i wish i could > > > > stay there. > > > > > anyway thats it .. needed to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: > > > > 10/6/2008 5:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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