Re: What Would Jung's Solution Be? - to mind his own business?

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he didn't always want to use his cane - that pride thing again. And good luck getting him into a wheelchair, or "wheelchair cart" - maybe at the point of a shotgun.

I'm aware this email was in response to Charlis but it stirred some answers from me, so...

I refused to use a cane and/or a wheelchair for a long time, too, but the day I had to leave the grocery in tears 'cause it hurt too bad, even using the shopping cart for support, taught me the hubris behind that attitude. The day I got my wheelchair was liberating, not stigmatizing.

I gotta admit, though, that having my eye level at the rest of the world's waist level is not exactly enjoyable.

If he felt that bad, he just wouldn't go.

Not all of us have that option.

There is probably at least some plausible medical reason in most cases, and doctors like to please patients and avoid hassle - also, they are supposed to be "advocates" for their patients. You may not agree with a given doctor's decision, but it's not your call to make.

While this is absolutely true, it's still not right. I know people who have "legal" handicapped placards/plates who feel that this kind of "benefit" comes with simply being a certain age. Ageism runs both ways.

I imagine grocery store managers don't instruct their security guards to call the police on "suspicious parkers" because it's not their job, and because they have better things to do, like prevent shoplifting.

There are police departments who have (usually elderly) volunteers who are authorized to patrol parking lots and ticket offenders. Not here, though.

And I doubt that police officers like to spend their time and resources tracking down somebody's grandma to make sure that she's "really, truly" disabled - as though they were trained to make that call in the first place.

Absolutely true again. I was married to a CID officer so I'm aware of law priorities.

If they knock on grandma's door, and she shows up with a handicapped plate but no cane, then what - do they arrest her?

Maybe, but you know that's a facetious argument. Ain't gonna happen, anyway.

I don't think most people want to go around the shopping center parking lot picking quarrels with strangers - I know I don't. I think you're tilting at windmills on this one.

Hey, if Don Quixote could do it... *G*

And in this contentious world, I'm sure there are people who would and do go around picking quarrels with strangers. They just don't do it over handicapped parking.

Blissings,SamSearch for Soulhttps://sampatron.wordpress.com

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I see handicapped people all the time. Many don't use assistive devices

- some because of pride, quaint a notion as that might be. My father

had a handicapped sticker, and could barely walk 100 feet, but he

didn't always want to use his cane - that pride thing again. And good

luck getting him into a wheelchair, or "wheelchair cart" - maybe at the

point of a shotgun. If he felt that bad, he just wouldn't go.

Your resentment of the well-off is quaint - as though money itself were

some kind of  talisman that wards off disability. Whose palm does

one"grease" in order to get the handicapped plate - the DMV worker? 

How much does it cost? Is a couple of hundred dollars enough? If so, it

seems like that's well below Mercedes territory. If it's thousands, how

does that work? - it would be awkward to slip that big a wad of cash

into the DMV palm.

It is true that people somtimes persuade their doctors to help them get

handicapped plates, but I don't think bribes usually change hands.

There is probably at least some plausible medical reason in most cases,

and doctors like to please patients and avoid hassle - also, they are

supposed to be "advocates" for their patients. You may not agree with a

given doctor's decision, but it's not your call to make.

I imagine grocery store managers don't instruct their security guards

to call the police on "suspicious parkers" because it's not their job,

and because they have better things to do, like prevent shoplifting.

And I doubt that police officers like to spend their time and resources

tracking down somebody's grandma to make sure that she's "really,

truly" disabled - as though they were trained to make that call in the

first place. If  they knock on grandma's door, and she shows up with a

handicapped plate but no cane, then what - do they arrest her? With her

lawsuit winnings, she could buy an electric wheelchair - or a nice, new

car on which to hang her handicapped plate. I don't think most people

want to go around the shopping center parking lot picking quarrels with

strangers - I know I don't. I think you're tilting at windmills on this

one.

regards,

Dan Watkins

charli schauseil wrote:

 

What is the relevance of the fact that it was a BMW

convertible?

 

Might be that people who drive BMWs and Mercedes Benzes

usually have the money to "grease the palm" to get the handicapped

permit?

I thought that handicapped tags allowed the bearer to

use

the handicapped space.

 

They do. If they're handicapped.  As in can't walk without

the use of a cane or walker or have a wheelchair.  Some claim it's

because they can't walk for too long or for too far  because of this or

that. They don't seem to have a problem walking all over the grocery

store. Despite this or that. And despite the fact the grocery store has

a "wheelchair cart" they could probably use and would if they were

really handicapped. 

 

Thanks for the link Dan. I now have handicappedfraud.org

on my favorites. And will use it. And ask others to as well. And may

contact the police and ask why they don't. 

 

I've often wondered why grocery store managers don't

instruct security to call the police about the abuse.  And it is

abuse.   Until then, well, more people should just stop and glare and

ask if they forgot their cane. And then write down the placard number

and the license plate number and then leave a note. "You have been

reported to HandicappedFraud.org."

 

Unless they get back in their car and drive off.  

 

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> Good for you!  Sure helped make my day better,

> fershure! 

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> BTW, in case you're interested, there's a

> website where you can

> report handicapped parking abuse.  You put the details

> down, date,

> time, person, car, handicapped placard/license, and

> anything else, and,

> at least in theory, the police can use that info to make a

> call on the

> person and verify that they're entitled to use the

> handicapped

> designation.  You can even get some free PostIt notes

> to leave on the

> vehicle that says they've been reported to Handicapped

> Fraud.  Last

> time I did it, it was a blonde woman in her 30s in a BMW

> convertible

> with handicapped plates.  She strode off into the

> store with absolutely

> no indication of disability.  I doubt the police ever

> follow up on

> these reports but it makes me feel good to write it down

> just the same.

>  

> www.HandcappedFraud

> .org.

>  

> Blissings,

>

> Sam

>

> Search for Soul

>

> https://sampatron. wordpress.

> com

> In a message dated 6/19/2010 05:21:12 Central

> Daylight Time,

> charlischauseil@ yahoo.com writes:

> Noticing that others had now stopped

> and were also glaring

> she got back into her car and drove off.  Made my

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Your resentment of the well-off is quaint....

Your assumption that it's resentment is not so quaint. Apparently you are one of these Jungians who equate wealth with spirituality. And everything that goes with wealth. I was stalked for five years and had my life destroyed by someone who is "respected" by many Jungians. Apparently because of his checkbook and his "power." Including his power to avoid prosecution and then have someone conduct a vendetta against me. A truly lovely group of "enlightened" people. I had distanced myself from these Jungians long before this happened. In one of those instinctive and truly prescient moments.

I don't like people who abuse other people. I particularly don't like people who assume their "spirituality" allows them the right to abuse other people. Someone who is capable of walking on their own abuses others when they use parking spaces reserved for those who can't. It's really that simple.

We had one prosecution several years ago for abuse of the placards. An employee of the district attorney's office. Who renewed her temporary placard. With a "note from the doctor." Despite the fact she walked just fine. She apparently thought it was a joke. One of the assistant district attorneys who walked a block didn't think it was so funny watching her walk a couple of feet every day. And looked into it as they say.

> > > > > > Good for you! Sure helped make my day better,> > > fershure! > > > > > > BTW, in case you're interested, there's a> > > website where you can> > > report handicapped parking abuse. You put the> details> > > down, date,> > > time, person, car,

handicapped placard/license, and> > > anything else, and,> > > at least in theory, the police can use that info to> make a> > > call on the> > > person and verify that they're entitled to use> the> > > handicapped> > > designation. You can even get some free PostIt> notes> > > to leave on the> > > vehicle that says they've been reported to> Handicapped> > > Fraud. Last> > > time I did it, it was a blonde woman in her 30s in a> BMW> > > convertible> > > with handicapped plates. She strode off into the> > > store with absolutely> > > no indication of disability. I doubt the police> ever> > > follow up on> > > these reports

but it makes me feel good to write it> down> > > just the same.> > > > > > www.HandcappedFraud> > > .org.> > > > > > Blissings,> > > > > > Sam> > > > > > Search for Soul> > > > > > https://sampatron. wordpress.> > > com> > > > In a message dated 6/19/2010 05:21:12> Central> > > Daylight Time,> > > charlischauseil@ yahoo.com writes:> > > Noticing that others had now stopped> > > and were also glaring> > > she got back into her car and drove off. Made my> > > day. Hope it made> > > yours as well. > > > > > > >

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