Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Fortunately, I can say, as a woman, this is not my view... --- APilgrm@... wrote: > This is from a woman who posted it on the PCAI list. This was written > in reply to another woman who had a similar complaint. I have erased > the names for privacy sake: > > " Dear---- > Your feelings you've expressed so closely mimic my sadness and loss I've > felt over the past 3 years that I almost thought for a minute that I was reading > my own post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 well said! i think i can honestly say my wife of 33 years feels like you do. I know as I'm sitting here typing this there is a loving card waiting by my bedside. Feelings are with the individual and the reported comments from two women seem entirely selfish and makes me angry. I know times are trying but we all said for better or worse in sickness and health until death do us part. (or something close) pardon me but it sounds like a cheap " chicken shit " attitude toward their mate. I would give up my life for my mate! --- wrote: > Fortunately, I can say, as a woman, this is not my > view... > > --- APilgrm@... wrote: > > > This is from a woman who posted it on the PCAI > list. This was written > > in reply to another woman who had a similar > complaint. I have erased > > the names for privacy sake: > > > > " Dear---- > > Your feelings you've expressed so closely mimic my > sadness and loss I've > > felt over the past 3 years that I almost thought > for a minute that I was reading > > my own post. > Have a nice Day! __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Aubrey, What an honest woman, how refreshing. She's a lot like my own wife in that she speaks from the heart and tells it like it is. These emails should be circulated amongst urologists because it speaks volumes about how treatment for this disease should not be taken without a very close look at the different treatments and the side effects involved. It underlines just how much PCa affects more than just the diagnosed man. Like Don cooley would say " The treatment being offered is very often not in the patients interest " And he also warns of the 'Sins Of The Patients' Those who have had a particular treatment by a particular doctor and a certain that they would have died if they hadn't had the treatment and endorse it as being the best treatment available. Very often these people are basking in the reflected glory of these so called 'Artists'and have not even asked to see the said doctors stats. I blame these patients for us in the PCa world being in the position we are in now, i.e. second class citizens to women with breast cancer. My Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 I learned nothing valuable form your post. Mickcoolerking5@... wrote: Aubrey,What an honest woman, how refreshing. She's a lot like my own wife in that she speaks from the heart and tells it like it is.These emails should be circulated amongst urologists because it speaks volumes about how treatment for this disease should not be taken without a very close look at the different treatments and the side effects involved. It underlines just how much PCa affects more than just the diagnosed man. Like Don cooley would say "The treatment being offered is very often not in the patients interest" And he also warns of the 'Sins Of The Patients' Those who have had a particular treatment by a particular doctor and a certain that they would have died if they hadn't had the treatment and endorse it as being the best treatment available. Very often these people are basking in the reflected glory of these so called 'Artists'and have not even asked to see the said doctors stats. I blame these patients for us in the PCa world being in the position we are in now, i.e. second class citizens to women with breast cancer.My Best __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Nor me from yours. BTW, just what have you contributed to your fellow PCa sufferer since your diagnosis. No doubt another contender for my sycophant patient of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 BTW you should read Don Cooleys Sins Of The Patient ( see below) You may then learn something. It's because of people like you that we are still getting a raw deal in this PCa industry. SINS OF THE PATIENT 1. And then there are those who have met certain doctors and consider these doctors to be their friends and will defend them as being honest and of the highest integrity and they have nothing except a few shakes of their hands to base this on. They seem to be so captivated by the doctor who shook their hand and chatted a few minutes that they no longer can be objective about said doctor. We hear it over and over again the same refrain. " Well I have met the good doctor and know that he is honest, etc., etc., etc. " 2. Then there are those who have been treated by a certain doctor or health practitioner (of various kinds) or have chosen a particular treatment or are taking certain herbal products and think that they are absolutely right. Don't care what the evidence is, don't care what the facts are, don't even read anything that might enlightened them a bit - just continue along with their tunnel vision sometimes until it is too late and even then will defend what they did and their health practitioner to their death bed. 3. We will have a procedure that has not proven itself in any study shown and is given special credence when a known doctor joins the board or organization. Does not matter that the doctor has no expertise in the field and may have never participated in the procedure. But because his name is there - some think that instantly the procedure is now OK. 4. Then there is the poster who is discussing treatment Y and said that he hasn't seen very good results and reports on one very advanced prostate cancer patient who tried it for awhile and it failed. Therefore it hasn't been very good in that posters experience. Yet where he may have seen something work for a few patients - he thinks it is sent from heaven. Let alone that it has failed in 90% of the cases but he doesn't see those failures - not because they aren't there but because he does not want to see them and shuts them out. http://www.cancer.prostate-help.org/casins.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Just who or whom are you addressing these posts to? There is no indication listed? --- coolerking5@... wrote: > BTW you should read Don Cooleys Sins Of The Patient > ( see below) You may then learn something. It's > because of people like you that we are still getting > a raw deal in this PCa industry. > > SINS OF THE PATIENT > 1. And then there are those who have met certain > doctors and consider these doctors to be their > friends and will defend them as being honest and of > the highest integrity and they have nothing except a > few shakes of their hands to base this on. They seem > to be so captivated by the doctor who shook their > hand and chatted a few minutes that they no longer > can be objective about said doctor. We hear it over > and over again the same refrain. " Well I have met > the good doctor and know that he is honest, etc., > etc., etc. " > > 2. Then there are those who have been treated by a > certain doctor or health practitioner (of various > kinds) or have chosen a particular treatment or are > taking certain herbal products and think that they > are absolutely right. Don't care what the evidence > is, don't care what the facts are, don't even read > anything that might enlightened them a bit - just > continue along with their tunnel vision sometimes > until it is too late and even then will defend what > they did and their health practitioner to their > death bed. > > 3. We will have a procedure that has not proven > itself in any study shown and is given special > credence when a known doctor joins the board or > organization. Does not matter that the doctor has no > expertise in the field and may have never > participated in the procedure. But because his name > is there - some think that instantly the procedure > is now OK. > > 4. Then there is the poster who is discussing > treatment Y and said that he hasn't seen very good > results and reports on one very advanced prostate > cancer patient who tried it for awhile and it > failed. Therefore it hasn't been very good in that > posters experience. Yet where he may have seen > something work for a few patients - he thinks it is > sent from heaven. Let alone that it has failed in > 90% of the cases but he doesn't see those failures - > not because they aren't there but because he does > not want to see them and shuts them out. > > http://www.cancer.prostate-help.org/casins.htm > > Have a nice Day! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 I've offered hope my friend because that's all I have to give so far. Mick coolerking5@... wrote: Nor me from yours. BTW, just what have you contributed to your fellow PCa sufferer since your diagnosis.No doubt another contender for my sycophant patient of the year. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 wrote: Fortunately, I can say, as a woman, this is not my view... Mine either. I know different people react differently, but my identity was never wrapped up in being able to "turn my husband on." Maybe because I was never a female who got lots of male attention based on my looks. Men had to get past the exterior and love me for the inside. I gladly have given up sex to keep my husband alive even if only for a few months longer. Peace on the journey,Juel captwildchild@...************************************Things won't ever get better, but, things will get different, andsometimes different is all right. - wonderful AnnMalecare ( www.malecare.com ) recommends that all men, upon attaining adulthood, discuss prostate cancer and the latest prostate cancer screening tests, with their physician, annually. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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