Re: CREDO CL Curing the Blues

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This confuses me. I cannot ask you what it meant to you from a Jungian perspective, because that would be prying into your affairs, but on the other hand that is where my mind wanders to hearing what you are saying. It is not that I don't see validity in what you said, but I wonder where it stands in relationship to a Jungian perspective and witnessing what the source of your blues was? How does this fit together for you? I am really quite curious to see if they makes it out there or not, since my last two attempts at posting did not, leaving a conversation I was having with someone unfinished at a bit of an awkward place for me.....They were reading wrong what I was expressing, which happens. I have not been back to the site, since I first signed up, so I have not

changed any settings.

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Two points here, Roseroberta... first, if you have a thorn in your foot, do you first try and find out where it came from or do you first pull it out? And once it's out, except for the well-being of others or for some future occasion, is it of any use to you to know where it came from or would it be more useful just to make sure there are no more around and that it stays that way?

Shantideva, a 6th. c. Buddhist writer, says that all suffering in this world stems from looking out for your own good and that all happiness is the result of working for the benefit of others.

I like the idea very much.There are scores of people on this planet who know exactly what's wrong with them and why and yet it doesn't help them one jot. Why would that be?Just asking...

...--

I think again over my small adventures, my fears, those small ones

that seemed so big, all those vital things I had to get and to reach, and yet there is only one great thing: to live and see the great day that dawns, and the light that fills the world.

~Old Innuit SongIf you can just appreciate each thing, one by one, then you will have pure

gratitude. Even though you observe just one flower, that one flower includes everything.~Shunryu Suzuki Roshi - Branching Streams Flowing in the Dark

There is no emotion that you cannot be rid of, because emotions are simply thoughts and thoughts are just like the wind moving through the empty sky. There is nothing to them.~Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche -Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

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Dear Alice,

Thank you for these wise words of love and hope.

Perhaps the Jungian connection is that Jung was also wise and loving.

It is a pleasure to hear from you.

Love,

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>

> CREDO CL

> Instant Cure for the Blues!

> As some of you already know, I had a remarkable spiritual teacher †"

> M. I met him on June 6, 1944 and my life changed from that day

> forward. I was 21, and today I am living into my 90th year. In all

> this time I have not once had a doubt concerning him. His teachings

> have guided me through thick and thin and many ups and downs. Last

> night I woke up and realized I was tired, and in considerable pain,

> and perhaps flirting with a potential depression and realized that I

> have not shared his formula for this state of mind. It is very simple and it

works:

>

> DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY QUICK!

> So I am curing myself in this act of sharing! If you think about it,

> if you feel sorry for yourself, you enclose yourself in a static

> circle of self-pity. However, if you act on behalf of another, that

> dynamic opens you to a spiral, and Spirit flows through you in even

> the humblest gesture toward another person, animal or even flower.

> You are no longer trapping the flow of loving concern and appreciation of

others.

> This idea is present in the spiritual advice of all religions, not

> just one! It underlies the concept of our common humanity: that to

> love another as sparks of the same flame is equivalent to loving the

> Mystery we call Spirit. So here is just one beautiful expression of it:

> Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi

>

> Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.

> Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury,

> pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope;

> where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy.

>

> O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as

> to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to

> love.

> For it is in giving that we receive;

> it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we

> are born to eternal life.

> These words written in the 13th century endure and transcend any

> religious dogma. They are the words of a mystic and are common to

> all other mystics. They seem so appropriate to our desperate needs

> still today, eight centuries later.

> May they bring light, love, and life to us as we move towards another

> Solstice!

> lovingly,

> ao

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Alice! Perfect timing!Speaking of St. Francis, it came to me recently that one of the reasons this lovely, gentle place I live in, San Obsipo, CA, is as lovely and gentle as it is is the influence of the Franciscans who founded it Here's a picture of a little St. Francis I found in a thrift store recently. He's hollow, built on a cone of rolled out clay. He looks like a child might have made him following the directions of someone who figured out how him out of beautiful geometric shapes: his robes are the cone, the sleeves, rolled up rectangles, his cape is a rectangle with a circle cut out for his head, and so forth. I paid a quarter for him; he's given me immense joy.best wishes,Eve

CREDO CLInstant Cure for the Blues! As some of you already know, I had a remarkable spiritual teacher – M. I met him on June 6, 1944 and my life changed from that day forward. I was 21, and today I am living into my 90th year. In all this time I have not once had a doubt concerning him. His teachings have guided me through thick and thin and many ups and downs. Last night I woke up and realized I was tired, and in considerable pain, and perhaps flirting with a potential depression and realized that I have not shared his formula for this state of mind. It is very simple and it works: DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY QUICK! So I am curing myself in this act of sharing! If you think about it, if you feel sorry for yourself, you enclose yourself in a static circle of self-pity. However, if you act on behalf of another, that dynamic opens you to a spiral, and Spirit flows through you in even the humblest gesture toward another person, animal or even flower. You are no longer trapping the flow of loving concern and appreciation of others. This idea is present in the spiritual advice of all religions, not just one! It underlies the concept of our common humanity: that to love another as sparks of the same flame is equivalent to loving the Mystery we call Spirit. So here is just one beautiful expression of it:

Prayer of Saint Francis of AssisiLord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury, pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seekto be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. These words written in the 13th century endure and transcend any religious dogma. They are the words of a mystic and are common to all other mystics. They seem so appropriate to our desperate needs still today, eight centuries later. May they bring light, love, and life to us as we move towards another Solstice! lovingly, ao

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Did anyone besides me receive a spam threat supposedly sent from the jung-fire mailing list under the name of Rose a ing? Is someone spamming the site?

Re: Re: CREDO CL Curing the Blues

Two points here, Roseroberta... first, if you have a thorn in your foot, do you first try and find out where it came from or do you first pull it out? And once it's out, except for the well-being of others or for some future occasion, is it of any use to you to know where it came from or would it be more useful just to make sure there are no more around and that it stays that way?

Shantideva, a 6th. c. Buddhist writer, says that all suffering in this world stems from looking out for your own good and that all happiness is the result of working for the benefit of others.

I like the idea very much.

There are scores of people on this planet who know exactly what's wrong with them and why and yet it doesn't help them one jot. Why would that be?

Just asking...

...

--

I think again over my small adventures, my fears, those small ones that seemed so big, all those vital things I had to get and to reach, and yet there is only one great thing: to live and see the great day that dawns, and the light that fills the world.

~Old Innuit Song

If you can just appreciate each thing, one by one, then you will have pure gratitude. Even though you observe just one flower, that one flower includes everything.~Shunryu Suzuki Roshi - Branching Streams Flowing in the Dark

There is no emotion that you cannot be rid of, because emotions are simply thoughts and thoughts are just like the wind moving through the empty sky. There is nothing to them.~Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche -

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

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What is keeping my going through Pluto completing a grand crOsss from a natal t-square of Saturn, mercury, neptune conjunct Chjron is the gift of giving. Mwithout that sense of offering what I have, ground arises and lets me walk upon itMay you be filled with loving kindnessMay you be peaceful and at easeMay you be happyMay you be well.....To live is so startling it leaves little time for anything else."— DickinsonThank you, Alice! Perfect timing!Speaking of St. Francis, it came to me recently that one of the reasons this lovely, gentle place I live in, San Obsipo, CA, is as lovely and gentle as it is is the influence of the Franciscans who founded it Here's a picture of a little St. Francis I found in a thrift store recently. He's hollow, built on a cone of rolled out clay. He looks like a child might have made him following the directions of someone who figured out how him out of beautiful geometric shapes: his robes are the cone, the sleeves, rolled up rectangles, his cape is a rectangle with a circle cut out for his head, and so forth. I paid a quarter for him; he's given me immense joy.<IMG_2066.jpeg>best wishes,Eve

CREDO CLInstant Cure for the Blues! As some of you already know, I had a remarkable spiritual teacher – M. I met him on June 6, 1944 and my life changed from that day forward. I was 21, and today I am living into my 90th year. In all this time I have not once had a doubt concerning him. His teachings have guided me through thick and thin and many ups and downs. Last night I woke up and realized I was tired, and in considerable pain, and perhaps flirting with a potential depression and realized that I have not shared his formula for this state of mind. It is very simple and it works: DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY QUICK! So I am curing myself in this act of sharing! If you think about it, if you feel sorry for yourself, you enclose yourself in a static circle of self-pity. However, if you act on behalf of another, that dynamic opens you to a spiral, and Spirit flows through you in even the humblest gesture toward another person, animal or even flower. You are no longer trapping the flow of loving concern and appreciation of others. This idea is present in the spiritual advice of all religions, not just one! It underlies the concept of our common humanity: that to love another as sparks of the same flame is equivalent to loving the Mystery we call Spirit. So here is just one beautiful expression of it:

Prayer of Saint Francis of AssisiLord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury, pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seekto be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. These words written in the 13th century endure and transcend any religious dogma. They are the words of a mystic and are common to all other mystics. They seem so appropriate to our desperate needs still today, eight centuries later. May they bring light, love, and life to us as we move towards another Solstice! lovingly, ao

[Guest guest]

rose was simply pointing out the spam.

the two recent spams came from the id of 'david lynn reedy'.

perhaps his yahoo acct or his computer has been compromised.

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> Did anyone besides me receive a spam threat supposedly sent from the jung-fire

mailing list under the name of Rose a ing? Is someone spamming the

site?

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> Two points here, Roseroberta... first, if you have a thorn in your foot, do

you first try and find out where it came from or do you first pull it out? And

once it's out, except for the well-being of others or for some future occasion,

is it of any use to you to know where it came from or would it be more useful

just to make sure there are no more around and that it stays that way?

>

>

> Shantideva, a 6th. c. Buddhist writer, says that all suffering in this world

stems from looking out for your own good and that all happiness is the result of

working for the benefit of others.

>

> I like the idea very much.

>

> There are scores of people on this planet who know exactly what's wrong with

them and why and yet it doesn't help them one jot. Why would that be?

>

> Just asking...

>

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> --

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> I think again over my small adventures, my fears, those small ones that seemed

so big, all those vital things I had to get and to reach, and yet there is only

one great thing: to live and see the great day that dawns, and the light that

fills the world.

> ~Old Innuit Song

>

>

> If you can just appreciate each thing, one by one, then you will have pure

gratitude. Even though you observe just one flower, that one flower includes

everything.

> ~Shunryu Suzuki Roshi - Branching Streams Flowing in the Dark

>

>

> There is no emotion that you cannot be rid of, because emotions are simply

thoughts and thoughts are just like the wind moving through the empty sky. There

is nothing to them.

> ~Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche -

>

>

> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

>

[Guest guest]

Ooh, this explains it.Sorry for my confusion. I thought maybe someone lifted her name/address as they sometimes do. Thank you for your explanation. Yes, I did question the Leedy e-mail, flagrant misspellings and such.

Regards,

Gail

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> Two points here, Roseroberta... first, if you have a thorn in your foot, do you first try and find out where it came from or do you first pull it out? And once it's out, except for the well-being of others or for some future occasion, is it of any use to you to know where it came from or would it be more useful just to make sure there are no more around and that it stays that way?

>

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> Shantideva, a 6th. c. Buddhist writer, says that all suffering in this world stems from looking out for your own good and that all happiness is the result of working for the benefit of others.

>

> I like the idea very much.

>

> There are scores of people on this planet who know exactly what's wrong with them and why and yet it doesn't help them one jot. Why would that be?

>

> Just asking...

>

> ..

>

>

>

>

>

> --

>

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> I think again over my small adventures, my fears, those small ones that seemed so big, all those vital things I had to get and to reach, and yet there is only one great thing: to live and see the great day that dawns, and the light that fills the world.

> ~Old Innuit Song

>

>

> If you can just appreciate each thing, one by one, then you will have pure gratitude. Even though you observe just one flower, that one flower includes everything.

> ~Shunryu Suzuki Roshi - Branching Streams Flowing in the Dark

>

>

> There is no emotion that you cannot be rid of, because emotions are simply thoughts and thoughts are just like the wind moving through the empty sky. There is nothing to them.

> ~Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche -

>

>

> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

>

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Because maybe they don't really know what is bothering them?

*I'm not talking about those ones. I mean the ones who have subjected themselves to the entire 'therapy' and really do know the whats and the whys, but - as your next lines themselves say - find it easier to keep the status quo. Because they don't have good resources to process what happened.

a question that leaps to mind is why don't they? (and Hillman  would agree with me)  >Your point, since I was transplanting and grouping cactus yesterday, is well taken*Ooops! - Sorry about that.

...>I don't think our pain is always about desires and suffering, etc.  I think many times it is from the opposite--not following our heart's desire in conjunction with the acorn.* and desire is not not sometimes simply the 'desire not to' or - worse - belief that we can't/shouldn't/daren't?

 

I still think my question as to how what was said relates and is put in perspective with Jungian theory is

valid.*Oh, so do i! - otherwise i' wouldn't have responded...--

I think again over my small adventures, my fears, those small ones

that seemed so big, all those vital things I had to get and to reach, and yet there is only one great thing: to live and see the great day that dawns, and the light that fills the world.

~Old Innuit SongIf you can just appreciate each thing, one by one, then you will have pure

gratitude. Even though you observe just one flower, that one flower includes everything.~Shunryu Suzuki Roshi - Branching Streams Flowing in the Dark

There is no emotion that you cannot be rid of, because emotions are simply thoughts and thoughts are just like the wind moving through the empty sky. There is nothing to them.~Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche -Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

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Wow, my last message was amazingly incoherent. Can you tell I've hit my head too many times!?The redemptive value of using my remaining brain cells in service to our local food pantry has been extraordinary. I found that my normal gift of gab, etc. has allowed me to find new donors and my commitment to getting their products to the pantry has provided much needed structure as much of my life is utterly transformed.Alice, I also participated in an astrological play weekend with Allice Haidden at the Jung Center this past weekend. She spoke with great respect of your work and I was able to pull some of your books off the shelf to offer the attendees in true Mercurian fashion. (I drew Mercury to play, found myself really embodying that energy, and heard the other planets speak through the other participants.) Amazing.

What is keeping my going through Pluto completing a grand crOsss from a natal t-square of Saturn, mercury, neptune conjunct Chjron is the gift of giving. Mwithout that sense of offering what I have, ground arises and lets me walk upon itMay you be filled with loving kindnessMay you be peaceful and at easeMay you be happyMay you be well.....To live is so startling it leaves little time for anything else."— DickinsonThank you, Alice! Perfect timing!Speaking of St. Francis, it came to me recently that one of the reasons this lovely, gentle place I live in, San Obsipo, CA, is as lovely and gentle as it is is the influence of the Franciscans who founded it Here's a picture of a little St. Francis I found in a thrift store recently. He's hollow, built on a cone of rolled out clay. He looks like a child might have made him following the directions of someone who figured out how him out of beautiful geometric shapes: his robes are the cone, the sleeves, rolled up rectangles, his cape is a rectangle with a circle cut out for his head, and so forth. I paid a quarter for him; he's given me immense joy.<IMG_2066.jpeg>best wishes,Eve

CREDO CLInstant Cure for the Blues! As some of you already know, I had a remarkable spiritual teacher – M. I met him on June 6, 1944 and my life changed from that day forward. I was 21, and today I am living into my 90th year. In all this time I have not once had a doubt concerning him. His teachings have guided me through thick and thin and many ups and downs. Last night I woke up and realized I was tired, and in considerable pain, and perhaps flirting with a potential depression and realized that I have not shared his formula for this state of mind. It is very simple and it works: DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY QUICK! So I am curing myself in this act of sharing! If you think about it, if you feel sorry for yourself, you enclose yourself in a static circle of self-pity. However, if you act on behalf of another, that dynamic opens you to a spiral, and Spirit flows through you in even the humblest gesture toward another person, animal or even flower. You are no longer trapping the flow of loving concern and appreciation of others. This idea is present in the spiritual advice of all religions, not just one! It underlies the concept of our common humanity: that to love another as sparks of the same flame is equivalent to loving the Mystery we call Spirit. So here is just one beautiful expression of it:

Prayer of Saint Francis of AssisiLord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury, pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seekto be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. These words written in the 13th century endure and transcend any religious dogma. They are the words of a mystic and are common to all other mystics. They seem so appropriate to our desperate needs still today, eight centuries later. May they bring light, love, and life to us as we move towards another Solstice! lovingly, ao