Elevated B12 and Folic Acid?

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know what elevated levels of B12 and folic acid might be an

indication of?

This was a regular lab drawn and performed by the local hospital, not a

specialized test.

Neither B12 (oral) nor folic acid for had been taken for at least a week before

the test.

Thanks!

Jody

[Guest guest]

It has no meaning and is a waste of money to do. This stuff can be in so

many compartments of the body at any one time that the tests are

meaningless. If anything, it implies that these nutrients are floating

around in the serum instead of being intracellular where they belong and

that the person is usually deficient in both. Dr. JM

Elevated B12 and Folic Acid?

Does anyone know what elevated levels of B12 and folic acid might be an

indication of?

This was a regular lab drawn and performed by the local hospital, not a

specialized test.

Neither B12 (oral) nor folic acid for had been taken for at least a week

before

the test.

Thanks!

Jody

Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

<http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for responding Dr. McCandless.

I am wondering though whether a traditional MD will see this information in

the same way that you have.

My younger son had a sleep study and was diagnosed with restless leg

syndrome (and mild sleep apnea). The doctor who read the study has never

seen a case of RLS in such a young child. He ran Mg, electrolytes, Ferritin,

B12 and folate to see whether any of these were deficient and could be

possible causes of the RLS. I was impressed that he even considered

something besides medication.

Have you personally had any kids diagnosed with RLS or do you know of any

others being treated by DAN! doctors? If so, has anything natural helped?

Thanks!

Jody

[Guest guest]

" If anything, it implies that these nutrients are floating around in the serum

instead of being intracellular where they belong and that the person is usually

deficient in both. "

Dr. McCandless,

Do you have any ideas on how to get the B12 and folic acid into the cells

where they belong?

We had been giving B12 sublingually and using FolaPro. I just had not given

it for about a week before this test was done.

Thanks!

Jody

[Guest guest]

Jody, if we are talking MB12, I thought the most effective delivery

method was the injections. Have you tried those? We had great luck with

them.

> " If anything, it implies that these nutrients are floating around

in the serum

> instead of being intracellular where they belong and that the person

is usually

> deficient in both. "

>

> Dr. McCandless,

>

> Do you have any ideas on how to get the B12 and folic acid into the

cells

> where they belong?

>

> We had been giving B12 sublingually and using FolaPro. I just had

not given

> it for about a week before this test was done.

>

> Thanks!

> Jody

[Guest guest]

The main way we have found to get the MB-12 in is to give the subcutaneous

injections; orally just won't do the job for our gut-injured kids.

Transdermal cannot get enough in either. Few kids will hold the sublinguals

under their tongue long enough to get it into the bloodstream rather than

orally, and the amounts to be palatable could be pretty sickening and

providing a lot of sweetener which they don't need. 85% of kids respond

best to folinic, a few others do respond to Folapro, and 30% cannot tolerate

TMG (more do better with DMG).

Dr. JM

Re: Elevated B12 and Folic Acid?

> " If anything, it implies that these nutrients are floating around in the

>serum

> instead of being intracellular where they belong and that the person is

> usually

> deficient in both. "

>

> Dr. McCandless,

>

> Do you have any ideas on how to get the B12 and folic acid into the cells

> where they belong?

>

> We had been giving B12 sublingually and using FolaPro. I just had not

> given

> it for about a week before this test was done.

>

> Thanks!

> Jody

>

>

>

>

>

> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jody,

We just had this kind of testing ordered by our regular pediatrician.

She threw the B12 level on top of some other stuff when I told her we

were taking the shot. Of course, the level came back twice what it

should be. My DAN doc has not answered yet but when I researched on

the net about high B12 it basically said that even IOM thought there

was no danger from too much B12. Neubrander says that it means your

child is not using the B12 in his body.

My research did reveal that even though B12 is water soluble it is

stored in the liver. I guess that's why some people can take a

shot/week or month and still get benefit from it? My child is having

trouble now from tics after just the 7th shot so I'm wondering if he

already has more than he needs.

H.

> Does anyone know what elevated levels of B12 and folic acid might be an

> indication of?

> This was a regular lab drawn and performed by the local hospital, not

> a

> specialized test.

>

> Neither B12 (oral) nor folic acid for had been taken for at least a

> week before

> the test.

>

> Thanks!

> Jody

>

>

>

>

> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am currently unable to get the M12 shots.

My kids do keep the sublingual powder under their tongues for at least 30

seconds. If that's not long enough, we can come up with a way to keep it

there longer.

Both of my boys responded positively when we switched from folinic acid to

the FolaPro. So, I just assumed that they were in the group that did well with

it.

At the DAN! conference in April, I was very confused about the folic acid

discussion. I was unable to determine which type(s) would be best. It

seemed that some kids do best with folic, others folinic, others FolaPro and it

even seemed as if some kids were taking more than one form. Very

confusing.

Jody

[Guest guest]

It is confusing, that's why I say trial and error it, as none are toxic -

the pathways are complex, if Folapro works, by all means that's the one to

use (maybe 15% of kids do well with this). How about doubling the

sublingual powder amount just to see if they do any better - all kids will

do well with some, but we don't know the optimum until we get them up to

what they fully need. Dr. JM

Re: Elevated B12 and Folic Acid?

>I am currently unable to get the M12 shots.

> My kids do keep the sublingual powder under their tongues for at least 30

> seconds. If that's not long enough, we can come up with a way to keep it

> there longer.

>

> Both of my boys responded positively when we switched from folinic acid to

> the FolaPro. So, I just assumed that they were in the group that did well

> with

> it.

>

> At the DAN! conference in April, I was very confused about the folic acid

> discussion. I was unable to determine which type(s) would be best. It

> seemed that some kids do best with folic, others folinic, others FolaPro

> and it

> even seemed as if some kids were taking more than one form. Very

> confusing.

>

> Jody

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>

>

>

> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

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