Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 yes pat, please write in and ask about Dr. B. regards, pizza effect > > > For those new to the list, just a concept here to keep in mind... the pizza > effect. Foods high in fat and carbs are lethal to your blood sugar. Foods > like pizza, chinese, sausage/egg McMuffin, and so on. The reason for this is > fat takes about 2 or 3 hours to digest and then the carbs begin to break > down and spike your sugar because your quick acting insulin is used by then. > > For example, pepperoni pizza. The high fat from the cheese/dairy and > pepperoni slows down the absorption of the carbs up to 2 or 3 hours. You > dose quick acting insulin to cover the carbs but the first 2 or 3 hours of > the insulin are used on fat, typically you go low sugared, and then the > carbs from the crust kick in 2 or 3 hours later and spike your sugar. Not > only that, based on you going low, you eat a bunch of sweets and orange > juice to pull out of the low and now you have those foods kicking on top of > the carbs from the pizza crust just beginning to break down. Bye bye good > sugar. > > As an aside, about low sugars, Recall to eat glucose tablets when low > sugared since 1 glucose tablet will raise your bgs roughly 20 points. So, if > your blood sugar is 50, eat 1 glucose tablet and your up to 70 which is good > as compared to eating sweets like candy bars, 35 grams of carbs, or orange > juice, 15 grams of carbs in 1/2 cup. Those old crappy ADA recommend remedies > for combating lows are way out dated. Don't use them. Go to the store and > purchase a bottle of glucose tablets. Each glucose tablet has 4 grams of > carbs and will raise your bgs 15 to 20 points. Many on the list can testify > to the success they have had useing glucose tablets as compared to old > outdated ADA recommendations of eating crap food to combat the lows. Harry, > can you elaborate some on the pizza effect and glucose tablets. pat, perhaps > you can speak some on this as well? > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 good input Bill from a type 2. thanks. Any others? regards, Re: pizza effect > , > > With regard to the pizza effect on those of us type 2 diabetics and on using glucose tablets, let me put in my 2 c. > > You are right on in how pizza will spike your sugars 2-3 hours after the fact. In the meantime, if your sugars were low you'd eat something to kick the sugars up so now in that 2-3 hour frame you're way over your norm. > > Though I love pizza a whole lot I only have a piece or two occasionally. Knowing what I do now about carbs and what they would do, the first thing I keep in mind is if I'm going to have pizza I'll only have it at lunch time rather than dinner. This gives me plenty of time to walk during the afternoon to burn off what I've eaten. > > In the meantime, on those occasions when my sugar feels low I do use a glucose tablet tat brings the sugar up in a controlled rate. By the time I hit that 2-3 hours, my sugar is up but only slightly above where I'd like, because I've taken the time to try to burn off that pizza with exercise and in the meantime all I took was maybe one glucose tablet. > > Oh it does require discipline. But since I know how crappy I'd feel if I really blew it, that right there is plenty of motivation to pay for what I ate. > > I cannot get over how people seem to be so entrenched in this " give 'em orange juice and sweets " mentality when it comes to diabetes. Whoever came up with that notion was way off because it doesn't work! I still can't get my mom to understand that one either, and she keeps wondering why she feels so lousy after having a low sugar, having some orange juice and then having her sugars go way up over the top. She's one person who may never learn what I've learned here on this board. All we can do is try to teach people there's a better way to take care of your diabetes. > > Bottom line: When you want to enjoy pizza, you have to motivate yourself to PAY for eating it. Ditto with things like ice cream or anything else that will really spike your sugars. If you can afford the price and can incorporate glucose tablets for the short run, you're much better off. > > Best regards, > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Devon, It would be better to have glucose tablets on hand rather than serve a diabetic orange juice (or orange juice and crackers as some docs do). I love orange juice and I'd drink a whole truck full if I could get away from it. But the simple truth is that OJ will get you out of that " low sugar " rut but the sugar will keep on climbing over the next couple of hours. The glucose tablets have a very llow but controlled amount of sugar and will quickly raise sugar to at least near the desired level without severe overshooting. This also prevnts the " sugar feeding on itself " cycle that is so typical, where you eat or drink something sweet, only to have yoru body keep craving more and more sugar, and feeling run down from too high a sugar reading in the process. Hope this helps... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Sure does help, Bill. You know what is about to be added to our first-aid kit. Thanks. Devon and Oak. Re: pizza effect > Devon, > > It would be better to have glucose tablets on hand rather than serve a diabetic orange juice (or orange juice and crackers as some docs do). I love orange juice and I'd drink a whole truck full if I could get away from it. But the simple truth is that OJ will get you out of that " low sugar " rut but the sugar will keep on climbing over the next couple of hours. The glucose tablets have a very llow but controlled amount of sugar and will quickly raise sugar to at least near the desired level without severe overshooting. This also prevnts the " sugar feeding on itself " cycle that is so typical, where you eat or drink something sweet, only to have yoru body keep craving more and more sugar, and feeling run down from too high a sugar reading in the process. > > Hope this helps... > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 glucose tablets act 100% faster than anything you could feed her to eat. You see, glucose doesn't really need broke down at all by your digestive system. As soon as a glucose tablet hits your mouth, the glucose begins to enter your gums, throat, and as you chew it up/swallow it, it enters the belly. Typically, 1 glucose tablet will raise your bgs 15 to 20 points. So, if you got a sugar reading on her, and it said 50, you would feed her 1 or 2 glucose tablets to raise her back to 70 or 90 blood sugar. You don't want her going over 80 to 90 blood sugar. The orange juice must first be broke down by the stomach and this delays raising the blood sugar a lot. Not only that, it is a quick acting sugar so it has *immeasurable* results. 1 glass of orange juice will raise her sugar how much? 50 points? 30 points? 90 points? 100 points? There is no way to measure it. However, with glucose tablets, it is 100% measurable. 1 4 gram glucose tablet raises your blood sugar about 20 points or 1.0 points for Canadian friends. After you feed a person a glucose tablet, test their blood sugar in 15 minutes, if it is not raised by 5 points, feed them another one, test again in 15, and if it isn't raised 5 points by then, feed them another, and so on. This way, you do not spike them past 70 or 90 blood sugar. BTW when you purchase a bottle of glucose tablets, typically 50 per bottle, make certain it is the 4 gram ones since I've seen some at 20 grams. I.E on the bottle will say 4 grams on the label for carbs. regards, pizza effect > > > > For those new to the list, just a concept here to keep in mind... the > pizza > > effect. Foods high in fat and carbs are lethal to your blood sugar. Foods > > like pizza, chinese, sausage/egg McMuffin, and so on. The reason for this > is > > fat takes about 2 or 3 hours to digest and then the carbs begin to break > > down and spike your sugar because your quick acting insulin is used by > then. > > > > For example, pepperoni pizza. The high fat from the cheese/dairy and > > pepperoni slows down the absorption of the carbs up to 2 or 3 hours. You > > dose quick acting insulin to cover the carbs but the first 2 or 3 hours of > > the insulin are used on fat, typically you go low sugared, and then the > > carbs from the crust kick in 2 or 3 hours later and spike your sugar. Not > > only that, based on you going low, you eat a bunch of sweets and orange > > juice to pull out of the low and now you have those foods kicking on top > of > > the carbs from the pizza crust just beginning to break down. Bye bye good > > sugar. > > > > As an aside, about low sugars, Recall to eat glucose tablets when low > > sugared since 1 glucose tablet will raise your bgs roughly 20 points. So, > if > > your blood sugar is 50, eat 1 glucose tablet and your up to 70 which is > good > > as compared to eating sweets like candy bars, 35 grams of carbs, or orange > > juice, 15 grams of carbs in 1/2 cup. Those old crappy ADA recommend > remedies > > for combating lows are way out dated. Don't use them. Go to the store and > > purchase a bottle of glucose tablets. Each glucose tablet has 4 grams of > > carbs and will raise your bgs 15 to 20 points. Many on the list can > testify > > to the success they have had useing glucose tablets as compared to old > > outdated ADA recommendations of eating crap food to combat the lows. > Harry, > > can you elaborate some on the pizza effect and glucose tablets. pat, > perhaps > > you can speak some on this as well? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Devon, glucose acts more quickly than orange juice as it enters the system while it is being chewed up in the mouth. It goes through the mucous membrane of the mouth as it is the most simple sugar-unlike orange juice that has to be digested. However, glucose tabs may not last as long as orange juice and if this woman has to walk a long way, she might need to take a couple of glucose tabs along so she won't go back into reaction while walking. Re: pizza effect , I'm not subject to sugar lows at this point, but I work at an Independent Living Centre. One afternoon, a woman who happened to be at our centre complained of feeling shaky. Knowing that she had diabetes, I asked her if she thought she was having a reaction. When she said yes, we got her a glass of orange juice, and within a few minutes, she was able to go home under her own steam. Should we have some glucose tablets on hand rather than orange juice? Would a glucose tablet have acted as quickly? Devon and Oak. pizza effect > For those new to the list, just a concept here to keep in mind... the pizza > effect. Foods high in fat and carbs are lethal to your blood sugar. Foods > like pizza, chinese, sausage/egg McMuffin, and so on. The reason for this is > fat takes about 2 or 3 hours to digest and then the carbs begin to break > down and spike your sugar because your quick acting insulin is used by then. > > For example, pepperoni pizza. The high fat from the cheese/dairy and > pepperoni slows down the absorption of the carbs up to 2 or 3 hours. You > dose quick acting insulin to cover the carbs but the first 2 or 3 hours of > the insulin are used on fat, typically you go low sugared, and then the > carbs from the crust kick in 2 or 3 hours later and spike your sugar. Not > only that, based on you going low, you eat a bunch of sweets and orange > juice to pull out of the low and now you have those foods kicking on top of > the carbs from the pizza crust just beginning to break down. Bye bye good > sugar. > > As an aside, about low sugars, Recall to eat glucose tablets when low > sugared since 1 glucose tablet will raise your bgs roughly 20 points. So, if > your blood sugar is 50, eat 1 glucose tablet and your up to 70 which is good > as compared to eating sweets like candy bars, 35 grams of carbs, or orange > juice, 15 grams of carbs in 1/2 cup. Those old crappy ADA recommend remedies > for combating lows are way out dated. Don't use them. Go to the store and > purchase a bottle of glucose tablets. Each glucose tablet has 4 grams of > carbs and will raise your bgs 15 to 20 points. Many on the list can testify > to the success they have had useing glucose tablets as compared to old > outdated ADA recommendations of eating crap food to combat the lows. Harry, > can you elaborate some on the pizza effect and glucose tablets. pat, perhaps > you can speak some on this as well? > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Hmm, sounds like the man who went to the doctor because his arm was hurting him. The doctor asked when the arm hurt and the man said it only hurt when he tried to use it. The doctor then said " Well, then don't use it. " Now, back to Sugar Land. By the way, nice town in Texas. Crystal is to take two Glucovance tablets each morning and two each evening. She is also to take one Actos per day. No one mentioned when each day these events are to occur i.e.: with meals, before meals, after meals or when one gets up etc. Any hints? We will get this thing figured out one of these days. The Ancient One... Re: Crystal it is called the pizza effect. I.E the high fat is equal to, or higher than, the carbs ate in the meal. Typical foods are Chinese, any type of pizza other than brior hill, fried chicken, etc. The best thing to do is avoid those foods or limit them. I.E 2 tiny sausage sticks at breakfast would be ok instead of 1 large patty or a sausage and egg mcMuffin etc. So, avoid the foods, don't try to combat them with oral medications since they will always win smile. Regards, Crystal > , > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you called > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that confusing > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast this > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > The Ancient One... > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Harry, you were on oral medications for a while and have read bernsteins book. any suggestive advice on this one? Regards, Crystal > > > > , > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you called > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that confusing > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast this > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I don't know the half life of Glucovance, but since she has to take four pills per day, why not try experimenting with what would be best. She might try taking one pill one hour before each meal and the last pill before going to bed at night. This would make a total of four pills taken each day. If she does this for a few days and notices a positive change in her glucose levels, then continue doing so. Be sure to test glucose level two hours after a meal and record the number of grams of carbs consumed at each meal. This will give her a better idea of what is going on. Continue taking the Actos one each day in the morning. Crystal > > > > , > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you called > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that confusing > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast this > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > > The Ancient One... > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I think that next time that I go in to see the doctor I will ask him to put me on something else. My bs this morning was 174 so I took a half a pill of Glocovance. That was around eleven oclock when I took it. Around three oclock, I had a spell with low bs. It was 63 after I had eaten something. I seam to have a lot of trouble trying to take Glocovance. Jerry Crystal > > > > > > > , > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you called > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that confusing > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast this > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 What is the milligram dose of the glucovance pill? Can you easily take half a pill? Can you easily take one fourth of a pill? Do you have glucose tablets on hand for use with low glucose level reactions? Crystal > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you called > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that confusing > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast this > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Yes, I do have glucose tablets here and I use them when I need them. The glucovance pills are 2.5 miligrams. I do break them half into but I still have that problem with low bs. I cannot break them into fourths. They only have a crease for a half. Jerry Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > called > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > confusing > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast > this > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about a > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon her > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. Comments? > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Your glucovance sounds similar to the oral medications I use to take called Diabeta, which goes by the generic name of glyburide. It came in an oblong shaped pill which was 5 milligrams in strength, and it had a groove in it at the half way point. When I dtook a whole pill a long time ago, it caused me to experience low glucose reactions. The doctor had me on 5 milligrams per day, but taking one whole pill caused me to have the low glucose reactions. I found that taking a half pill in the morning and the other half in the evening solved my problem with having low glucose reactions for the most part. I cannot say how many grams of carbs I was taking at the time, since I was not yet a carb gram counter at that time. Do you count the number of carb grams you consume for meals? Maybe, this would give you a better handle on the effect of the oral medication and a two hour post meal glucose reading. I will also add that I was not familiar with glucose tablets when I was on oral medications. Let us know how it goes. Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > > called > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take the > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > confusing > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for breakfast > > this > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) about > a > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon > her > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > Comments? > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hello, I am new here. I am Ruby, I am 58 married and am diabetic. I am sighted but do have some visual problems. I have had the laser surgery twice in both my eyes for the retina detatchment. I have to go back to the eye doctor soon as I may have to have the laser done again. I take the Diabeta for my diabetis. I take one tablet in the morning and one at night. They are 5 mg each. Ruby Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > > > called > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take > the > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > confusing > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > breakfast > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > about > > a > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon > > her > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > Comments? > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I have been paying more attention to my carb intake but I don't count precisly. I sometimes have two boiled eggs for breakfast, along with a slice of cheese. and coffee. I figure that I have only had about 2 carbs at that point so I have started being more alert to my intake of carbs. I don't eat bread but very seldom. Thanks, Jerry Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > > > called > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take > the > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > confusing > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > breakfast > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > about > > a > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon > > her > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > Comments? > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Welcome to the list serve Ruby! I am familiar with treating detached retinas, since my wife and a former wife plus two of my children have had retina problems, and have experienced both lasar surgery and the regular surgery for detached retinas. How long have you been a type 2 diabetic? When I was taking oral medications, I did not count carb grams nor did I test my glucose level two hours after eating meals. Today I often wonder, had I not continuously spiked my glucose levels, would I have become insulin dependent as I am now. Of course I can only speculate, but I think had I kept my glucose levels from fpiking, I don't think I would ever have become insulin dependent. Do you take any medications for insulin resistance? I took Diabeta for many years, until I finally had to start also taking Actos, a drug for insulin resistance, so that the oral medications would work properly. Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > > > > called > > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take > > the > > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > > breakfast > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > > about > > > a > > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the > afternoon > > > her > > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: > 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic probably about 8 years ago, but probably was long before that. My mom was diabetic as was her mother, my grandmother died in a diabetic coma when my mom was born. There are 5 of us children, my oldest brother was killed in 1979 so not sure if he would have been diabetic or not but of the 4 that are left 3 of us have already been diagnosed. Not sure what medication my sister and my brother are on but both just take oral medications also. I did for a while take actos along with diabeta but now the doctor has took me off actos. I don't have much trouble with taking the diabeta. I don't check my blood sugar as I should but I do have a meter because my insurance paid for it for me and it didn't cost me any thing. But I hate to prick my finger so I don't check as often as I should. Ruby Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe > you > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to > take > > > the > > > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > > > breakfast > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > > > about > > > > a > > > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the > > afternoon > > > > her > > > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: > > 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I hate to prick my finger, too. I now use insulin having stopped taking oral medications of Diabeta and Actos last August. Do you count carb grams consumed? I run tight glucose level control, which requires me to stick or prick my finger at least six times each day. When I don't get enough blood on the strip or the monitor needs cleaning, it requires more than six fingersticks each day. This regimen is required if a diabetic wishes to run normal blood sugars that a non-diabetic usually runs. By running normal blood sugars one can avoid diabetic complications like visual problems and blindness, infection problem complications, strokes and heart attacks and kidney damage, which are the usual plight of a diabetic not in control. Would you like for me to send you in a private message an email attachment containing a small file on carb counting prepared by one of our list members Dave Masters? What was your last A1C reading? Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe > > you > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to > > take > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was > that > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > > > > breakfast > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is > guess) > > > > about > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the > > > afternoon > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: > > > 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Welcome to the list, ?ruby. It is a great list with lots of info available. I would guess by your medication that you are a type 2 diabetic. I am sorry to hear you are aving eye problems an I hope they are correctable so your vision will remain stable. the whole key to this is keeping your diabetes under really good control. this means glucose levels of less than 120 or lower. do you do blood sugar levels daily? Do you know what your A1C is? We'll be glad to answer any questions you have. Re: Pizza Effect Hello, I am new here. I am Ruby, I am 58 married and am diabetic. I am sighted but do have some visual problems. I have had the laser surgery twice in both my eyes for the retina detatchment. I have to go back to the eye doctor soon as I may have to have the laser done again. I take the Diabeta for my diabetis. I take one tablet in the morning and one at night. They are 5 mg each. Ruby Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe you > > > called > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to take > the > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > confusing > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > breakfast > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > about > > a > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the afternoon > > her > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > Comments? > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 hello, ruby When you do do blood sugars, how do they run? I hate sticking my finger too, but the idea of maintaining control does not work unless you know what your blood sugars are. the better the control, the less complications you have! Re: Pizza Effect I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic probably about 8 years ago, but probably was long before that. My mom was diabetic as was her mother, my grandmother died in a diabetic coma when my mom was born. There are 5 of us children, my oldest brother was killed in 1979 so not sure if he would have been diabetic or not but of the 4 that are left 3 of us have already been diagnosed. Not sure what medication my sister and my brother are on but both just take oral medications also. I did for a while take actos along with diabeta but now the doctor has took me off actos. I don't have much trouble with taking the diabeta. I don't check my blood sugar as I should but I do have a meter because my insurance paid for it for me and it didn't cost me any thing. But I hate to prick my finger so I don't check as often as I should. Ruby Crystal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > When one eats the foods with a high fat content (I believe > you > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > this the Chinese effect) how should one calculate when to > take > > > the > > > > > > > > > oral medication one should take after eating? Hmm, was that > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > enough? Crystal got burned from eating some sausage for > > > breakfast > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning. She took her Glucovance (sorry, spelling is guess) > > > about > > > > a > > > > > > > > > half hour after she was finished eating. Later in the > > afternoon > > > > her > > > > > > > > > sugar was high and she insists that she ate nothing else. > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > The Ancient One... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > > > > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: > > 4/15/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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