Re: wayne message for you

[Guest guest]

Hello Harry all I can say , is you tried to help and if a person doesn't

want the advice of this group them they shouldn't be on this list.

everyone tried , by reading these messages. but any way we must move on!

Best regards,

Bonnecarre

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you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision.

> you

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > > > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You

> told

> > > the

> > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a

> trustworthy

> > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs

and

> > > > prayers

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for

Pat

> > too

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that.

Rita

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[Guest guest]

I understand your fear of getting low Wayne, believe me, I've been type 1

diabetic since 1979 and have been through the exact road with diabetes

treatment as you have been through the years. If you don't want to try

lantus again, that is fine. Let me ask you though, if you want to stay on

70/30, would you be willing to let us help you carb count and get your

sugars under tighter control? I will tell you this wayne, I do not use

lantus myself. I use ultralente for long acting and humalog for quick

acting. The reason we are suggesting that you get on a long acting insuin,

be it lantus or ultrelente, is so that we can fine tune the long acting and

the quick acting. If they are both in 1 type of insulin, the 70/30, you can

not fine tune the insulins and your sugars.

So, if you get on a long acting insulin, be it lantus or ultrelente, and

then get on humalog for quick acting, we can teach you how to carb count. It

is simple man. You take 1 unit of humalog per 15 grams of carbs you eat. If

you ate 2 pieces of toast for breakfast, that would be 30 grams of carbs so

you dose 2 units of humalog. It really is that simple.

However, you can not do this modern approach to diabetes if you do not get

off 70/30 and onto a type of long acting insulin and quick acting.

The reason harry and myself suggested lantus is because it does not have a

peek in it like ultrelente does. Lantus would help us help you better since

we could start you out on a very low dose *make certain* you would not get

low on it. Ultrelente makes it harder to adjust it since it has a 6 hour

peek that drops your sugar so it is easier to help a person get regulated by

using a long acting insulin that doesn't have a peek in it such as lantus.

This way, we are only dealing with 1 peek action.. the humalog/quick acting

insulin.

The only way you can get low wayne is if you take to much insulin. Bottom

line, the only way you can get low is from taking to much insulin. You got

low because your doctor started you on to much lantus it is that simple. So,

if we would start you out on a really low dose of lantus, you would not go

low. Your sugar would be high in the morning and based off that high sugar

reading, we would slowly increase the lantus by 1 or 2 units each evening

until your morning sugar was 80 to 120. It is safe and you can trust us.

If you only took 3 or 5 units of lantus, you could not pass out man. I

guarantee it.

Like Hary was saying in his post to you, we would need you to check your

sugar before each meal and 2 hours after eating a meal and post your sugar

results to the list. This way, we can read your sugars and help you adjust

the insulin both the humalog and the long acting whatever you would decide

to go on.

Regards,

Re: wayne message for you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision. you

> > clearly

> > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You told

the

> > > truth

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a trustworthy

> friend

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs and

> prayers

> > of

> > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for Pat too

> who

> > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that. Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

LOL LOL LOL. Harry put the gun away partner *smile* Wayne is just scared of

getting low really. Wayne, try to understand what Harry is saying here. All

he is saying is that you took to much lantus and went low. Lantus is not the

problem, your not understanding carb counting and how to use that method to

regulate your sugar is the problem. We want to help train you in carb

counting and how to adjust your own insulin. We adjust our own insulin and

don't need a doctor to help us do that. This is how I have been trained by

modern doctors. They teach us wayne how to adjust our insulins. We no longer

go to a doctor to do it, the doctor trained me how to do it. The only thing

I call my doctor for is a refill on my insulin and never have to go into see

her since my sugars are so well regulated.

Regards,

Re: wayne message for you

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision. you

> > > clearly

> > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You told

> the

> > > > truth

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a trustworthy

> > friend

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs and

> > prayers

> > > of

> > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for Pat

too

> > who

> > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that. Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Wayne emailed me off list and asked me to phone him. I did phone him and

spoke with him for about an hour this evening. I now understand why he is

afraid of taking lantus, he has had so much happen to him in the past 8

months that there is no way he could express it via email. He was trying to,

but all he could get out was lantus doesn't work for me but that wasn't at

all the real issue. Any how, to make a long story short, he is calling his

doctor tomorrow to get a script for lantus and humalog and I'll be working

with him on carb counting. He is going to resubscribe to the list as well.

Regards,

Re: wayne message for

you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision.

> you

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > > > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You

> told

> > > the

> > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a

> trustworthy

> > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs

and

> > > > prayers

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for

Pat

> > too

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that.

Rita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

,

I am glad you took the extra step of calling Wayne and talking with him. I

sent him some messages privately, and he said he would re-subscribe to the

list serve, which is a step in the right direction.

I am glad he is beginning to finally make the connection between carb

counting and insulin dosing.

This is a positive sign, and I do look forward to his joining us again.

I really do care about that old fart!

I thankyou for your intervention, which is probably the turning point in

Waynes's diabetes management and control.

I certainly hope so!

[Guest guest]

JOY!!! JOY!!! JOY!!!

Rita

> Wayne emailed me off list and asked me to phone him. I did phone him and

> spoke with him for about an hour this evening. I now understand why he is

> afraid of taking lantus, he has had so much happen to him in the past 8

> months that there is no way he could express it via email. He was trying to,

> but all he could get out was lantus doesn't work for me but that wasn't at

> all the real issue. Any how, to make a long story short, he is calling his

> doctor tomorrow to get a script for lantus and humalog and I'll be working

> with him on carb counting. He is going to resubscribe to the list as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> Re: wayne message for

> you

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision.

> > you

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > > > > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You

> > told

> > > > the

> > > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a

> > trustworthy

> > > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs

> and

> > > > > prayers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for

> Pat

> > > too

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that.

> Rita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

You've got that right Harry. It is thanks to 's intervention!

Rita

> ,

> I am glad you took the extra step of calling Wayne and talking with him. I

> sent him some messages privately, and he said he would re-subscribe to the

> list serve, which is a step in the right direction.

> I am glad he is beginning to finally make the connection between carb

> counting and insulin dosing.

> This is a positive sign, and I do look forward to his joining us again.

> I really do care about that old fart!

> I thankyou for your intervention, which is probably the turning point in

> Waynes's diabetes management and control.

> I certainly hope so!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad he is coming back to the list and that he is going to let you

help him.

Sharon

Re: wayne message for

> you

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision.

> > you

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human

beings.

> > > > > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill.

You

> > told

> > > > the

> > > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a

> > trustworthy

> > > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs

> and

> > > > > prayers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for

> Pat

> > > too

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that.

> Rita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi all.

Wayne is gunna make it folks. He just needed to verbally explain where he

was coming from since there was no way he could adequately express it via

email. I'm excited to be working with him and once he is rejoined, I'm sure

he will be around asking some questions. For the first time in Wayne's life,

he has hope! He/I have went through the same forms of diabetic treatment

both of us being diagnosed in the 1970's and most of the stuff I shared with

him he was not aware of. For example, that R insulin has an 8 hour tail

effect that cracks your sugar super hard and makes you go low. R insulin

takes 45 minutes to begin working and peeks in 5 hours and then has an 8

hour tail effect. Humalog begins working in 20 minutes, peeks in 2 hours,

and is out of your body in 4 hours with no tail effect. I explained this to

him and he then realized it wasn't the lantus that made him go low and was

the R insulin. Wayne has had some life threatening incidents with low sugars

and he can explain if he wants to once he is back on list. Based on the low

sugar episodes, which were extremely bad, bad enough to send a chill up my

spine, he was scared to try anything new it was his life he was messing

with.

Well, good news! After me/him talking for an hour or so he understood that

what we all were saying made sense and I was a living testimony of a type 1

diabetic, long term, getting tight control and he is all for it.

I explained to him that lantus did not have a peek action and it was the R

insulin that did it and he really had a firm understanding and knew it was

the R after I explained it to him. Only thing he asked me though was... " why

didn't my doctor ever tell me any of this? " which is a common question I

hear many diabetics ask me after I help get them under tight control.

Doctors, for the most part, don't educate patients on insulin's and carb

counting. I explained to him that my doc was 33 and wants me to adjust my

own insulin and taught me carb counting etc. He agreed that the new

generation of doctors coming out have a better understanding on how to treat

diabetes via carb counting and and the older schooled doctors just either

don't know about it, or just don't educate their patients on it. I'm excited

that Wayne is open minded to this and he flat out told me " yes, I want your

help " . Hurray! That is what all of this is about... helping save a fellow

diabetics life!

BTW I'm not tooting my own horn here, I'm just excited that Wayne reached

out. I flat out told him I was scared for his life and he was as well and

the conversation went well past that point.

Regards,

Re: wayne message for you

> ,

> I am glad you took the extra step of calling Wayne and talking with him.

I

> sent him some messages privately, and he said he would re-subscribe to the

> list serve, which is a step in the right direction.

> I am glad he is beginning to finally make the connection between carb

> counting and insulin dosing.

> This is a positive sign, and I do look forward to his joining us again.

> I really do care about that old fart!

> I thankyou for your intervention, which is probably the turning point in

> Waynes's diabetes management and control.

> I certainly hope so!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well I'm glad that it worked out fine with the two of you. and I'm glad

that you took the time to get this straightened out wayne is just

probally frustrated and seems to want to give up. but there is hope for

him and I hope you guys can work with him.

Best regards,

Bonnecarre

Re: wayne message for

> you

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear and Wayne,

> > > > > > > > > > > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision.

> > you

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > made a

> > > > > > > > > > > decision to help one of your fellow human

beings.

> > > > > > > > > > > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill.

You

> > told

> > > > the

> > > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > hurts to give and to get. You are such a

> > trustworthy

> > > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs

> and

> > > > > prayers

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for

> Pat

> > > too

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > pointed

> > > > > > > > > > out to

> > > > > > > > > > > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that.

> Rita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

, putting it simply, it is beyond words how much I admire and

respect you.

Rita

[Guest guest]

ah shucks, *blush*, thanks. Really though, I care about people and don't

want to see any diabetic suffer from this disease when they do not have to.

I think the most exciting thing to me will be to hear Wayne and his positive

feelings/reactions after he has been regulated for 3 weeks. That is the most

rewarding thing to me to hear a diabetic say I feel like a new person!

It is great to be able to offer Wayne new hope and that just gets me so

excited!

Regards,

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> , putting it simply, it is beyond words how much I admire and

> respect you.

> Rita

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm behind in answering Emails as I have been in chicago area for the last

week. I have been diabetic 59 years! I am also a retired Rn. and I can

absolutely tell you that doctors are not even close to god! I saw 3

endocrinologist before I found one I liked who was open to conversation and

who is willing to listen to me. It is not only okay to questions them, but

to tell them about things you have read or heard about. If he/she is not

willing to listen and explain, then find someone else.

Re: wayne message for you

yes, we know our stuff since we live it every day. Harry has been diabetic

for 16 plus years, me for 30, pat on list for I'd say at least 30, and we

know what works. Thanks for sharing with us, I found it interesting that

others are realizing that doctors are not the only ones educated around here

*smile*.

BTW Bill knows his stuff, Mark who has just joined us low carbing knows his

stuff, and am certain others as well. Sorry if I am forgetting any names.

BTW Harry did have a good well thought out reply to Wayne, after all he was

a clinical psychologist *smile*. Wayne is used to thinking that doctors know

best and how can he trust a bunch of cyber space gung ho diabetics who

aren't doctors. I understand that feeling and can appreciate it but I'd just

like to say look at the numbers. This is how you know if we know our stuff.

Look at our a1c readings, our blood sugar results, and our cholesterol

levels. We can repost all of them again for folks to see but most here have

seen them in times past and know that what we are doing works and that we

know our stuff. It really is just a matter of applying it/the knowledge.

Regards,

Re: wayne message for you

> >

> >

> > Dear and Wayne,

> > Love is not a feeling. It is a decision. you clearly

> made a

> > decision to help one of your fellow human beings.

> > It took courage, tenacity, caring and skill. You told the truth

>

> > and

> it

> > hurts to give and to get. You are such a trustworthy friend

> >

> and

> > you too Harry and all who tell the truth. Hugs and prayers of

> > thanksgiving for folks like you! That goes for Pat too who

> > pointed

> out to

> > me I was eating too darn much. I needed that. Rita

> >

> >

> >

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> --------

> >