Re: Doctor visit

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Goepfert wrote:

<< ... She suggested if I have to do this that I have a sugar free cookie

when I

get home rather than a large snack just because I am feeling empty. >>

" Sugar-free " cookies are *not* generally carbohydrate-free. They generally

have 35-45 grams of carbs in them. If you are feeling hungry following a

meal (as well as sleepy, sluggish, waterlogged, etc.), it is often because

the meal contained too many carbohydrates for your body to handle properly.

Please tell us more about the diet she recommended ... How many carbs per

day? How many per meal? What are the details of what she recommended ...

Susie

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In a message dated 07/16/2000 6:23:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

rich9595@... writes:

<< Calories per day=1,125

Carbs per day=187g per day.

Does this jibe with the things that you have come across?

>>

Yikes! Hardly any calories at all and TONS of carbs. Are you actually

eating this way? If so, how are your blood sugar readings and what was your

last A1c?

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

(last A1c 5.3)

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In a message dated 07/16/2000 8:34:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

rich9595@... writes:

<< But are

the carbs in that kind of diet okay? As far as my numbers from the last

clinic

test, I will have to see if I still have those. >>

Holy Guacamole........way too many carbs. I think that even the non-low

carbers on this list will agree with me on this one. So tell me, do you have

a meter that you test your blood sugars at home with? If so, please share

with us what your readings are in the AM when you first get up, and then 1

hour after you eat one of your meals and then again test 2 hours after each

meal. I would love to see your results. If you do not have a meter you must

get one. Then YOU will be able to tell if this is a good " diet " for you or

not.

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

(last A1c 5.3)

[Guest guest]

Susie

Thanks for the inquiry. I needed to go over a few things in the book I was

given due to the fact that there was no written out guideline in the section of

the book written out by the clinic person. Here is what I was able to figure

going by the USDA Nutrition Database, available through www.intellihealth.com

which is the link to s Hopkins in land.

According to the database, my dietician has me on the following:

Calories per day=1,125

Carbs per day=187g per day.

This includes a full diet of meats, dairy, limited starch, fruits and veggies.

I have two low fat snacks thrown in just in case I want one either in the time

I have for a break or just before bedtime if I choose.

Does this jibe with the things that you have come across?

Rich

Susie wrote:

> Goepfert wrote:

>

> << ... She suggested if I have to do this that I have a sugar free cookie

> when I

> get home rather than a large snack just because I am feeling empty. >>

>

> " Sugar-free " cookies are *not* generally carbohydrate-free. They generally

> have 35-45 grams of carbs in them. If you are feeling hungry following a

> meal (as well as sleepy, sluggish, waterlogged, etc.), it is often because

> the meal contained too many carbohydrates for your body to handle properly.

> Please tell us more about the diet she recommended ... How many carbs per

> day? How many per meal? What are the details of what she recommended ...

>

> Susie

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In a message dated 00-07-16 12:44:23 EDT, you write:

<<

The argument here is that you may suggest that I go someplace else. This

place

is the only diabetic specialist in Syracuse, NY where I live. There is no

other

place. Also, my HMO has no other specialist listed in this area that I can

work

with either. So I think I am stuck.

Any thoughts here?

Rich

>>

Hi, Rich, as Meni said, you're eating way too many carbs. Unfortunately many

physicians - if not most -- and even some endos -- still toe the official ADA

line and food pyramid, including lots of carbs. . Many of us on this list

have learned the folly of that. Your numbers are way too high, and they don't

need to be. Have you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by

Bernstein, M.D.? It'll really open your eyes. Your local library or

bookstore should have it but if they don't you can get it thru Amazon on

line. We also have links to his website on our own website if you haven't

checked it out yet.

Vicki

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Hi,

I got the data from the USDA database, Perhaps if I gave the entire thing as

it is written out, maybe it will make more sense.

Breakfast

2 slices whole wheat toast, 1 tsp. Shedd Spread

or

1 cup non sweetened cereal (I usually eat Corn Flakes, Special K, Rice Krispies

or either Corn, Wheat or Rice Chex)

Skim milk in cereal

1 cup coffee w/Equal and a small quantity of whole milk (I do not like the taste

of coffee with either skim or 1-2% milk in it. Only whole milk I have all day)

Lunch

Sandwich containing 2 slices bread and 2 oz. meat, either fat free ham or

turkey. If I have tuna, it is 2 oz. with very tiny blend of Miracle Whip.

1 12 oz. can of diet soda or bottle of Crystal Light

1 can light peaches

Dinner

4 oz. meat, broiled chicken or fish, skin off Mr. Chicken.

2/3 cup rice or potatoes or 1 small baked potato

1 tsp., Shedd Spread (optional depending on meal)

Vegetable

Water or Crystal light

1 can Light Peaches

Evening Snack (If desired)

3 cups popped popcorn

And that is what is on the list I was given. I mentioned to the clinic that I

wanted to lose some weight, which may account for the drop in calories. But are

the carbs in that kind of diet okay? As far as my numbers from the last clinic

test, I will have to see if I still have those. I have not seen the doctor

since March. They schedule these appointments about 6 months apart and I am due

to go again in September for another checkup on my blood.

Rich

meniowl@... wrote:

> In a message dated 07/16/2000 6:23:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> rich9595@... writes:

>

> << Calories per day=1,125

> Carbs per day=187g per day.

>

> Does this jibe with the things that you have come across?

> >>

> Yikes! Hardly any calories at all and TONS of carbs. Are you actually

> eating this way? If so, how are your blood sugar readings and what was your

> last A1c?

>

> Meniowl@...

> type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

> (last A1c 5.3)

>

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Hi,

Would love to test as you suggested, but when I am at work, I cannot get off the

phone to do this as two hours after I eat, I have to start my day at work, 2

hours after that, I am still at the office. Now I am totally confused as the

place that gave me this diet is a diabetic clinic!

I do have a meter, a One Touch from Lifescan. It is in good working order. In

the morning, before I eat, the number might be anywhere from 150-175 depending

on

what I had the night before. I test around 6 in the morning, before breakfast.

My afternoon numbers average around 85-120. On occasion they can go to 150, but

that depends on how late I have my lunch. If I am at a business lunch, I cannot

eat when I normally do. Sometimes it is not until after 1 when I eat when that

happens and I usually test around 4:30-5:00 for my evening number.

The argument here is that you may suggest that I go someplace else. This place

is the only diabetic specialist in Syracuse, NY where I live. There is no other

place. Also, my HMO has no other specialist listed in this area that I can work

with either. So I think I am stuck.

Any thoughts here?

Rich

meniowl@... wrote:

> In a message dated 07/16/2000 8:34:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> rich9595@... writes:

>

> << But are

> the carbs in that kind of diet okay? As far as my numbers from the last

> clinic

> test, I will have to see if I still have those. >>

>

> Holy Guacamole........way too many carbs. I think that even the non-low

> carbers on this list will agree with me on this one. So tell me, do you have

> a meter that you test your blood sugars at home with? If so, please share

> with us what your readings are in the AM when you first get up, and then 1

> hour after you eat one of your meals and then again test 2 hours after each

> meal. I would love to see your results. If you do not have a meter you must

> get one. Then YOU will be able to tell if this is a good " diet " for you or

> not.

>

> Meniowl@...

> type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

> (last A1c 5.3)

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[Guest guest]

Rich:

In regard to only having one diabetic specialist in Syracuse...that is

amazing! I only live about an hour away in a much smaller community and

we have 3 or 4 endos here.

The carbohydrates will have a huge impact on your blood sugars. I

followed the ADA diet given to me by my dr and managed to lose weight

but still had trouble with the bg's. A few months ago I started watching

the carbs and eventually started using insulin. My bg's have been much

better but I have to continuously watch what I eat. My new dr (an endo)

does not agree with low carb but doesn't give the ADA diet 100%

endorsement either. For each person we have to search out our own

answers.

You will get much good information in this group along with new

research. Sometimes its confusing but we are able to learn something new

all the time. If our members don't know the answer then we are all

foraging websites to try and find out the info. Hang in here and you

will do fine.

Kandy

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I couldn't even begin to tell you what my carb count is for a day, but this is a

typical day:

Breakfast: 1 cup of Corn Chex with 1/2 cup 2% milk, coffee

Lunch: Either a big salad with lean turkey or ham added to it and fat-free

dressing or tuna on wheat bread with fat-free mayo.

Afternoon snack: fruit or yogurt

Dinner: roasted chicken, green beans, green salad.

Evening snack: popcorn, fat-free pretzels, or a small serving of no-sugar-added

ice cream.

My morning level is usually around 100. Two-hour pp is 120 or less

Re: Doctor Visit

In a message dated 07/16/2000 8:34:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

rich9595@... writes:

<< But are

the carbs in that kind of diet okay? As far as my numbers from the last

clinic

test, I will have to see if I still have those. >>

Holy Guacamole........way too many carbs. I think that even the non-low

carbers on this list will agree with me on this one. So tell me, do you have

a meter that you test your blood sugars at home with? If so, please share

with us what your readings are in the AM when you first get up, and then 1

hour after you eat one of your meals and then again test 2 hours after each

meal. I would love to see your results. If you do not have a meter you must

get one. Then YOU will be able to tell if this is a good " diet " for you or

not.

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

(last A1c 5.3)

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[Guest guest]

, you wrote:

<< Thanks for the inquiry. I needed to go over a few things in the book I

was

given due to the fact that there was no written out guideline in the section

of

the book written out by the clinic person. Here is what I was able to

figure

going by the USDA Nutrition Database, available through

www.intellihealth.com

which is the link to s Hopkins in land.

According to the database, my dietician has me on the following:

Calories per day=1,125

Carbs per day=187g per day.

This includes a full diet of meats, dairy, limited starch, fruits and

veggies.

I have two low fat snacks thrown in just in case I want one either in the

time

I have for a break or just before bedtime if I choose.

Does this jibe with the things that you have come across? >>

The " dairy, limited starch, fruits and veggies " need to be included in the

carbohydrate group (although much of the dairy also belongs in fats, and

some in proteins). Your calories-per-day allotments looks awfully low to me.

And the dietitian is stressing " low-fat snacks, " when our main problem as

diabetics is carbohydrates. So the snacks, if you have any, should emphasize

low carbohydrate content. I truly wonder whether you will be able to stick

with 1,125 calories a day over the long haul. I would think somewhere in the

1200-1800 level would be more realistic. Also, that 187-carbs-a-day

recommendation is probably not going to give you the level of diabetes

control you seek. Many of us use a food intake which provides around 100

grams of carbs daily. (Just a ballpark figure ... some people eat 30-40

grams a day, while others seem to do okay at 150 grams a day.)

Daily U.S. average carb intake is 300 grams ... if that number helps you

place things in perspective. Ever since about 1970, a few questionable

studies led the white coats to conclude that dietary fat is our entire

problem. So dietitians and some doctors tend to sabotage the efforts of

diabetics when first diagnosed by telling us to cut way back on food intake

while exercising like demons, when our real problem is insulin resistance,

from years of eating too many carbohydrates. We find that we have chronic

gnawing hunger when we try to lower food intake while still eating those

pesky carbohydrates, and due to insulin resistance, our bodies are not able

to extract energy from the foods we eat. I often say it's like eating a

*picture* of food! We eat carbs, then an hour or two later, there we are,

staring in the fridge or the cupboards, like zombies!

It takes us awhile to come to accept a different way of looking at things,

but it turns out that for those of us who are diabetic, or on their way to

becoming diabetic, it's the carbohydrates in our diet that are the problem.

When we go to Mc's, it's not the meat and cheese in the cheeseburger

that are our problem ... it's the sweetener and milk sugars in the milk

shake, the carbohydrates in the french fries, and the bun. The meat, cheese,

lettuce, dill pickle, etc. are okay (although I always go for the meats and

cheeses that are the lowest-fat varieties).

Because our bodies do not process the foods we eat efficiently, we often

discover we have to eat extra protein. (Of the three main food groups -

carbs, proteins, and fats - carbs, are the one we can actually survive

without. Fats are necessary to aid digestion, but we are incapable of

storing proteins, even from day to day, so we must maintain a steady intake

of protein. A trick for getting sufficient protein without loading up on fat

are to wrap our meats in paper towels and nuke them in the microwave.

Lowering the carb intake does away with those cravings, after a few weeks.

Oh, I still have the occasional dirty dream about a huge plate of fettucine

alfredo ... We all have our " favorite problem foods " ... But it's amazing

how much better we feel and how our former appetites seem to vanish on a

moderately-low-carb diet. In short, what I would suggest is that you pick up

the following books: (They will set you back a few bucks, but it's a lot

cheaper than diabetes treatment. More importantly, it's a heap cheaper than

treating diabetes *complications*!) " The Protein Power LifePlan " by the Drs.

Eades. " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution " by Dr. K. Bernstein.

There are several others, but those two will get you started. Oh, and you

can pick up " Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution " by Atkins, if you want

some eating suggestions and a good pep talk. And if you use AltaVista or

another good search engine, you can find oodles of info on the internet.

http://www.altavista.com )

Susie

[Guest guest]

Rich, I'm such a twit! I meant to respond to you privately, and I think I

accidentally postsed it to the group. You wrote:

Rich wrote:

<< Breakfast

2 slices whole wheat toast, 1 tsp. Shedd Spread

or

1 cup non sweetened cereal (I usually eat Corn Flakes, Special K, Rice

Krispies

or either Corn, Wheat or Rice Chex)

Skim milk in cereal

1 cup coffee w/Equal and a small quantity of whole milk (I do not like the

taste

of coffee with either skim or 1-2% milk in it. Only whole milk I have all

day)

Lunch

Sandwich containing 2 slices bread and 2 oz. meat, either fat free ham or

turkey. If I have tuna, it is 2 oz. with very tiny blend of Miracle Whip.

1 12 oz. can of diet soda or bottle of Crystal Light

1 can light peaches

Dinner

4 oz. meat, broiled chicken or fish, skin off Mr. Chicken.

2/3 cup rice or potatoes or 1 small baked potato

1 tsp., Shedd Spread (optional depending on meal)

Vegetable

Water or Crystal light

1 can Light Peaches

Evening Snack (If desired)

3 cups popped popcorn >>

On the above list, here are the foods I would recommend that you not eat:

toast

cereal

milk

bread

peaches

rice

potatoes

baked potato

popcorn

See? There's almost nothing left! Your dietitian doesn't have a clue about

feeding a diabetic, kiddo! I'm surely glad you found this list. Your biggest

problem foods are likely to be pasta, potatoes, rice, bread, fruits, milk

sugars. Do seek out the leanest cuts of meat and the low-fat varieties of

cheese, but keep a careful watch on your carbohydrate consumption.

We'll give you ideas of lower-carb foods we have found that work in future

posts. I'm sure this is a lot for you to take in all at once ... like having

a bucket of ice water thrown on you. It took me six months of arguing with

others before I could believe that the dietitians have it all wrong.

Susie

[Guest guest]

With the newest meter, the Bioscanner 2000, a doctor is needed even LESS.

See http://www.diabetes-testing.com/ for all the test. Glucose, HDL,

triglycerides, A1C coming soon, etc. 1 meter, a lot of test. The meter is

$199.95. I do not have one (yet) but plan on getting one next plan year

(starts in Sept). I have planned for it in my healthcare reimbursement

account, so I can buy it with pretax dollars.

Re: Doctor Visit

>Rich Goepfert wrote:

>

><< In the morning, before I eat, the number might be anywhere from 150-175

>depending on

>what I had the night before. >>

>

>That would be expected, considering how many carbs the dietitian is telling

>you to eat. If you think about it ... diabetes is an in ability to properly

>handle carbohydrates. So she tells you to eat a bunch of carbohydrates. It

>isn't logical.

>

><< The argument here is that you may suggest that I go someplace else.

This

>place

>is the only diabetic specialist in Syracuse, NY where I live. There is no

>other

>place. Also, my HMO has no other specialist listed in this area that I can

>work

>with either. So I think I am stuck. >>

>

>The " beauty " of diabetes, as you will discover, is that it's basically a

>self-managed disease. Armed with a computer, accessing the internet for

>research, and having a reliable glucose meter, you will be providing your

>own care. The doctor is necessary, for when you need blood tests and to

>write you prescriptions. If you are lucky, you will find a doctor who is

>open to new approaches, as long as you can prove they are working well for

>you, and that your blood test results are improving, rather than declining.

>If you are unlucky, then just remember that you will need a doctor of some

>kind to write prescriptions and order tests, so just stick your head down

>and mumble politely when you must go see him/her, but keep your own

counsel.

>

>Susie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Rich Goepfert wrote:

<< In the morning, before I eat, the number might be anywhere from 150-175

depending on

what I had the night before. >>

That would be expected, considering how many carbs the dietitian is telling

you to eat. If you think about it ... diabetes is an in ability to properly

handle carbohydrates. So she tells you to eat a bunch of carbohydrates. It

isn't logical.

<< The argument here is that you may suggest that I go someplace else. This

place

is the only diabetic specialist in Syracuse, NY where I live. There is no

other

place. Also, my HMO has no other specialist listed in this area that I can

work

with either. So I think I am stuck. >>

The " beauty " of diabetes, as you will discover, is that it's basically a

self-managed disease. Armed with a computer, accessing the internet for

research, and having a reliable glucose meter, you will be providing your

own care. The doctor is necessary, for when you need blood tests and to

write you prescriptions. If you are lucky, you will find a doctor who is

open to new approaches, as long as you can prove they are working well for

you, and that your blood test results are improving, rather than declining.

If you are unlucky, then just remember that you will need a doctor of some

kind to write prescriptions and order tests, so just stick your head down

and mumble politely when you must go see him/her, but keep your own counsel.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I found out about the Bioscanner 2000 from an ad in Diabetes Interview.

You can order the strips (kits) directly from them. They sent me a price

list. The A1C is not currently approved for home use, but they say it is

coming. It is already approved for the doctors office.

Each different test requires a different kit, but only 1 meter.

Our healthcare reimbursement account will have a convenience card, which

will be accepted anyplace that Mastercard is. After Sept 1 I will be

ordering the Bioscanner 2000.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the Bioscanner 2000 info and website, Bill! also had some

good info recently. I have discovered it's difficult if not impossible to,

e.g., walk into WalMart and ask them to order you any of these testing kits.

(They have centralized buying programs and don't deviate much. Years ago,

they made me buy a whole case of Keto Diastix, for example.) But we may be

able to order blood testing kits directly from the manufacturer, via the

internet.

Susie

[Guest guest]

whimsy2@... wrote:

> In a message dated 00-07-16 12:44:23 EDT, you write:

> Have you read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by

> Bernstein, M.D.?

I have problems with reading. I am a visually impaired person with low vision

that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk into a

bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the book is

available on standard audiocassette. What I will do is see if the book is

available through the Talking Book Library in Albany. Will call on that

tomorrow. Thanks.

Rich

[Guest guest]

>I have problems with reading. I am a visually impaired person with low

vision

>that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk into

a

>bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the book is

>available on standard audiocassette. What I will do is see if the book is

>available through the Talking Book Library in Albany. Will call on that

>tomorrow. Thanks.

See what is available here

http://www.lhsl.com/kurzweil1000

Have you checked with Commission for the Blind? I assume NY has one. They

might purchase the above for you.

[Guest guest]

Wasn't that book read onto tapes by someone on this list for someone awhile

back?

Re: Doctor Visit

>I have problems with reading. I am a visually impaired person with low

vision

>that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk into

a

>bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the book is

>available on standard audiocassette. What I will do is see if the book is

>available through the Talking Book Library in Albany. Will call on that

>tomorrow. Thanks.

See what is available here

http://www.lhsl.com/kurzweil1000

Have you checked with Commission for the Blind? I assume NY has one. They

might purchase the above for you.

[Guest guest]

I think it was.

BTW, if there are any blind / legally blind people on the list, you might

want to look at the Texas Commission for the Blind's website,

http://www.tcb.state.tx.us

If you live in Texas, a list of all of our offices is at

http://www.tcb.state.tx.us/tcbreg.shtml

The way the internet works, most states are listed as

http://www.state.2letter.us and you can find agencies linked to there. For

example, you can go to http://www/state.tx.us and find a link to Texas

Commission for the Blind, Texas Dept of Health, etc.

As some of you know, I work at the Texas Commission for the Blind and am the

webmaster.

Re: Doctor Visit

>Wasn't that book read onto tapes by someone on this list for someone awhile

back?

> Re: Doctor Visit

>

>

>

> >I have problems with reading. I am a visually impaired person with low

> vision

> >that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk

into

> a

> >bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the book

is

> >available on standard audiocassette. What I will do is see if the book

is

> >available through the Talking Book Library in Albany. Will call on that

> >tomorrow. Thanks.

>

> See what is available here

> http://www.lhsl.com/kurzweil1000

>

> Have you checked with Commission for the Blind? I assume NY has one.

They

> might purchase the above for you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/16/2000 3:38:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

teri@... writes:

<< Wasn't that book read onto tapes by someone on this list for someone

awhile back? >>

Yes, that would be yours truly. I made the tapes for Toni and I haven't

heard a peep from her in ages.

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics

(last A1c 5.3)

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In a message dated 00-07-16 18:38:21 EDT, you write:

<< Wasn't that book read onto tapes by someone on this list for someone

awhile back?

----- Original Message ----- >>

Yes, I think Meni did it for Toni (haven't heard from her lately)...

[Guest guest]

Rich wrote:

>I am a visually impaired person with low vision

>that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk into a

>bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the book is

>available on standard audiocassette.

Hi, Rich. I assume your computer is set up with accessibility features for

the visually impaired. As a start, much good information from the book is

available through Bernstein's Web site at http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Cass

[Guest guest]

>>In

the morning, before I eat, the number might be anywhere from 150-175

depending on

what I had the night befo...>>

****If you lower your carbohydrate intake, your morning bg's will be much

better. This is way too high, Rich. It is said that complications can

start above 126.

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I'm sure that someone on the list was reading the book for Toni. By the

way, has anyone heard anything from her lately? Another person that I have

had on my mind so much lately is Rev. Jim. Does anyone know how he is

doing? Another person I'm very concerned about is Pirtle. If anyone

has heard anything on or about these people would you please let me know. I

lost everything off of my computer when it went " out " on my and I've had a

terrible time finding some of the people that I had met on this list.

Love to all,

Tootie

Re: Doctor Visit

Wasn't that book read onto tapes by someone on this list for someone

awhile back?

Re: Doctor Visit

>I have problems with reading. I am a visually impaired person with low

vision

>that is congenital rather than diabetes related. I cannot just walk

into

a

>bookstore and grab something off the shelf. Also, I doubt that the

book is

>available on standard audiocassette. What I will do is see if the book

is

>available through the Talking Book Library in Albany. Will call on

that

>tomorrow. Thanks.

See what is available here

http://www.lhsl.com/kurzweil1000

Have you checked with Commission for the Blind? I assume NY has one.

They

might purchase the above for you.

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In a message dated 07/17/2000 5:33:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< Does anyone have Toni's e-mail

address? I do not. I am concerned about he >>

Here is what I have..

iaaddict@...

Meniowl@...

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